Pats V Bills what I expect

[badassgixxer05]

The Pats D has been good, but they really haven't been tested yet, so not sure if they are just good, or really really good like their stats currently show. This will be a true challenge for JA as Billy will be throwing everything at him to try to get him to make young QB mistakes. If he plays smart with the ball and our D continues to play as they have, this one will be really close and I think we can get the W. 

[26TrapDraw]

59 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I disagree completely.  Last time NE gave up a TD Mahomes was throwing balls all over the field.  You have to be aggressive.  Run, run, pass punt plays into their hands.  Now Allen needs to be smart, but he also should be the difference if they pull off the win.  You have to take it to them.  Waiting for Brady and the defense to make an error is a losing bet.  Go make plays.  With our defense they need to bet on Allen and the offense making more plays then them.  

See I think if we get into a shootout we lose . Currently Brady will beat Allen 100 out of 100 times period if it's a pass war. Brady can't be effective if he's not on the field much.

[Patrick Duffy]

Hopefully the Bills D will continue to bat these passes at the LOS and maybe they can INT a couple of them.

[transient]

58 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Pats played possum all regular season last year

 

playoffs began and the D came full bore at the opponents, took all by surprise

 

they even connected with Gronk at crucial moments, won the SB off his long catch

 

 

 

The Pats annihilated the Chargers, I’ll grant you that. The win against KC came down to the coin toss in overtime (tell me you don’t think the Chiefs would have scored a TD if they had gotten the ball first), and the Rams looked star struck and inept in one of the worst SB games ever played. If only the officials hadn’t robbed the Saints...

[Apocalypse Nuts]

3 hours ago, Rob's House said:

I expect the Bills to curb-stomp the ***** Pat's* and bring them back down to reality.

 

Unless you're just being funny...c'mon bro! (no offense)  This is the Bills and it's still very early in the season.  Unfortunately I expect a lop-sided game and Buffalo is not going to be on the good side of that.  BB is just too good and this Bills team, Allen especially, is just too young.  I mean, of course I want the Bills to stomp the living crappola out of NE but I've been a Bills fan too long to bet money on that.  FWIW, if this plays out I expect the next meeting to be a real slug-fest and the Bills might even win.

Edited September 23, 2019 by Distorted One

[row_33]

30 minutes ago, transient said:

 

The Pats annihilated the Chargers, I’ll grant you that. The win against KC came down to the coin toss in overtime (tell me you don’t think the Chiefs would have scored a TD if they had gotten the ball first), and the Rams looked star struck and inept in one of the worst SB games ever played. If only the officials hadn’t robbed the Saints...

 

Pats came out blazing against the Chiefs, a lesser team than KC would never have come back

 

the Chargers are still sitting on a park bench muttering over that massacre.

 

 

[BillsfanAZ]

Like everyone else I dont think the Bills are going to win. I just want to see the Bills play tough for 4 quarters and make it tough for the Pats. I think Ed Oliver could have an impact in this game if he can get in Brady's face and make him uncomfortable. The Bills offense has to hit on some deeper throws which they havent done much of this season. The Bills will need to have a productive 3rd quarter in order to stay in this game. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

1. This is going be a low scoring affair, yes neither team has faced a good team yet. (and lets face it how different would the Giants game have been with that rookie instead of Eli) but the Pats are the 1st rank D and the Bills the 6th ranked D. neither is a push over. 

 

2.  Close game - I see it going into the 4th quarter something like 13-10. Especially if Edelman is unable to play. 

 

3. Sacks golour - i see 10 sacks in this game! i'll say 5 a side. Patriots on 2 backup tackles (hopefully Cannon back but who knows) and well  as I have read hear from Bills Fans Allen holds onto the ball a long time and with the Pats secondary I don't see that changing this week.

 

those are three thing stick out to me for this matchup. I want a good game with Neither side having any major injuries, been way to many of those threw out the NFL this year. 

 

I expect to watch the game and see what happens.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

1. This is going be a low scoring affair, yes neither team has faced a good team yet. (and lets face it how different would the Giants game have been with that rookie instead of Eli) but the Pats are the 1st rank D and the Bills the 6th ranked D. neither is a push over. 

 

2.  Close game - I see it going into the 4th quarter something like 13-10. Especially if Edelman is unable to play. 

 

3. Sacks golour - i see 10 sacks in this game! i'll say 5 a side. Patriots on 2 backup tackles (hopefully Cannon back but who knows) and well  as I have read hear from Bills Fans Allen holds onto the ball a long time and with the Pats secondary I don't see that changing this week.

 

those are three thing stick out to me for this matchup. I want a good game with Neither side having any major injuries, been way to many of those threw out the NFL this year. 

 

 

The Bills scored 1 TD in two games against the Patriots last year and that was in the closing minute of garbage time of game 2................so yeah I tend to agree with your assessment.    

 

Since McDermott got here the defense has been decent at limiting scores versus the Patriots but the games haven't been competitive because the Patriots defense improved greatly and the Bills offense went from capable to totally impotent in the transition from Roman/Lynn offense to that of Dennison/Dabol.

 

Hopefully that changes this week but the Bills haven't exactly been a scoring dynamo against some unimpressive teams so far.

 

Despite a lot of speed this Bills offense lacks a big play element in the pass game so it takes them stringing together 7-12 plays to get points on the board and that's not a great matchup against fundamentally sound defenses like the Pats and the Bills.   Having Singletary back would help.    He would have made a big difference in the Bengals game IMO.........he would have turned some of Yeldon's shorter runs into big gains.     

[Reader]

My guess is that the Bills play tough and that the Pats pull away in the 4th. The score won't be indicative as to how the Bills will be better than the score reflects. A pretty typical Belichick vs McD game. 

[Rob's House]

45 minutes ago, Distorted One said:

 

Unless you're just being funny...c'mon bro! (no offense)  This is the Bills and it's still very early in the season.  Unfortunately I expect a lop-sided game and Buffalo is not going to be on the good side of that.  BB is just too good and this Bills team, Allen especially, is just too young.  I mean, of course I want the Bills to stomp the living crappola out of NE but I've been a Bills fan too long to bet money on that.  FWIW, if this plays out I expect the next meeting to be a real slug-fest and the Bills might even win.

I only apply the law of diminished expectations to my own life.

[DuckyBoys]

I'm just going to try and enjoy the game.  I think were finally close talent wise and want to see the proof on the football field.  Hopefully Daboll puts together a good game plan and does not outsmart himself with cutesy play calls.  On defense Edmunds has to play better .  Sony Michel has not run well  I hope that continues.  Would love to see a mistake free day from Josh Allen.

[row_33]

all the pressure is on the BIlls, that will weigh heavily on them

 

[Rockinon]

3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Question? does your D run on zone D usually?   Brady feasted on the Steelers Zone D, is it similar to theirs? 

And you should but see I see a close game and then Allen misreads the coverage and Gilmore picks him off for a pick 6 to win the game for the Pats. IE. I expect Allens youth and inexperience be the deciding factor.. THIS time.. But heck I will probably be wrong..  lol

Buffalo runs a mixed bag of zone and man. Mostly zone, but I believe our safeties are the best tandem in the league. The backend is excellent at disguising the coverages. Buffalo was the #1 defense against the pass last year and they may be even better this year.

[Jauronimo]

17 minutes ago, row_33 said:

all the pressure is on the BIlls, that will weigh heavily on them

 

Why is the pressure on Buffalo?  They're 7 point dogs in their own house playing the also undefeated defending Super Bowl champs.  

[Rockinon]

Honestly, I think Buffalo's offense is much better than we are giving them credit for too. Comparing last year to this year when 3/4 of the offense is new is pointless.  The numbers they are putting up are trending up, not down, despite Allen's occasional WTF play. Even those dumb plays are decreasing and he is improving his completion percentage. Receivers are getting open and Allen is getting more time to throw.  The running game seems to be pretty solid too.  I don't think NE wins in a blow out and maybe, just maybe they even lose to this Buffalo team.  I'm certainly not expecting that but I won't be completely surprised either.

[Ramza86]

I think whatever we do wont be enough to win. 

 

lol. Stupid pats.

[colin]

I have to start off saying i don't expect a win and think that our young and new O is too sloppy to really score on the pats.

 

the one good thing is this year we seem to be able to put together long scoring drives a few different ways, so if we can get a couple of scores the confidence will inspire.

 

if we are to win this game, some of our batted balls will turn into picks, we won't allow big plays, and we get some pressure on brady.

 

the biggest thing that i think goes overlooked is field position battle.  much like his sith master, parcels, billicheat has always had solid special teams and shoplifts cheap yards on punt returns, and generally puts the other team back as much as can be done.  we will have to at least sustain a few plays prior to punting and pin them back, as well as avoid horrible holding and lame returns on their punts.

[Pokebball]

5 hours ago, Bevis said:

I think the Pats D puts Allen through the ringer and causes many hero ball moments.

All for TDs, of course

[Jauronimo]

58 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

Honestly, I think Buffalo's offense is much better than we are giving them credit for too. Comparing last year to this year when 3/4 of the offense is new is pointless.  The numbers they are putting up are trending up, not down, despite Allen's occasional WTF play. Even those dumb plays are decreasing and he is improving his completion percentage. Receivers are getting open and Allen is getting more time to throw.  The running game seems to be pretty solid too.  I don't think NE wins in a blow out and maybe, just maybe they even lose to this Buffalo team.  I'm certainly not expecting that but I won't be completely surprised either.

More often than not this year they have looked like a legit NFL offense.  They are actually putting together drives rather than relying on a few big plays per game and we are no longer positioning for a slightly more advantageous punting position on 3rd and more than 5.  If they clean up the horrible mistakes I believe this offense has the potential to put up enough points to win most games.  Between Allen's WTF throws and team fumbles in the redzone I'm not confident as to what we're going to get week in or week out.  I do have faith that Allen will continue to improve in the ball security department as he has shown noticeable improvement in all other facets of the game.

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

1. This is going be a low scoring affair, yes neither team has faced a good team yet. (and lets face it how different would the Giants game have been with that rookie instead of Eli) but the Pats are the 1st rank D and the Bills the 6th ranked D. neither is a push over. 

 

2.  Close game - I see it going into the 4th quarter something like 13-10. Especially if Edelman is unable to play. 

 

3. Sacks golour - i see 10 sacks in this game! i'll say 5 a side. Patriots on 2 backup tackles (hopefully Cannon back but who knows) and well  as I have read hear from Bills Fans Allen holds onto the ball a long time and with the Pats secondary I don't see that changing this week.

 

those are three thing stick out to me for this matchup. I want a good game with Neither side having any major injuries, been way to many of those threw out the NFL this year. 

I expect to see the officials not throw a flag for holding against the Patriots* offensive line.

[MJS]

My thoughts on this game are similar. If the Bills win, it's going to be an ugly, low-scoring, defensive battle. Of course, the Patriots are always capable of running away with games. Hard to pick the Bills given how young and inexperienced the team is and how experienced and dominant the Pats have been.

 

But they play the games for a reason. We'll see how it goes. Should be an exciting game. I hope it's competitive.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I’m expecting at least 1/4 of the Bills fans in the stadium to be wearing a Orchids of Asia shirt with Krafts name on the back. 

 

I’m also expecting to see at least 3 *****’s thrown onto the field.

 

I’m expecting a Bills victory 27-24

 

I’m expecting penalties to be 

Bills 11 for 120 yds

Patriots 2 for 20

 

I’m expecting the Bills to get 2 turnovers in this game.

 

I’m expecting to see a Female Bills fan who is in gymnastics streak across the whole field.

 

I’m expecting to see a Bills fan pee in the sink while a Pats fan is washing his hands 

 

I’m expecting to see Brady knocked out of the game in the 3rd qtr.

 

 

 

[Apocalypse Nuts]

2 hours ago, Rob's House said:

I only apply the law of diminished expectations to my own life.

 

I change my mind.  You are very wise person.  And I mean that sincerely.  I need to be listening more to what you're saying and talking (typing) less.

[oldmanfan]

Be prepared for the offense and Josh to have a tough day.  Belichick is a master at confusing young QBs and their D has been impressive.  

[mjt328]

Disagree with those expecting a low-scoring game.  

 

Unfortunately, our defensive scheme plays right into Tom Brady's hands.  We like to keep catches in front of us, and limit offenses to short passes... which just happens to be his specialty.  Already this season, I've noticed some weak spots against covering screens and swing passes.  In our four match-ups since McDermott became the coach, the Patriots have put up 23, 37, 25 and 34 points.  Not exactly shut-down performances.  And I suspect the Pats were playing somewhat conservatively against us, knowing we were incapable of actually scoring points.  The only way this changes is if the Bills can bring tight-press-coverage, and heavy pressure up the middle.  After our D-Line bombed against the terrible Bengals blocking, I'm not optimistic.

 

On the other side, it's really hard to find flaws in anything New England has done so far.  They have totally shut-down their first three opponents, not letting up a single offensive touchdown.  They seem to be strong at all three levels.  With that said, I think the Bills can move the ball and score 20-25 points... IF they put all the dumb mistakes behind them.  This is the type of game where a dual-threat QB and versatile offense makes all the difference.  Bill Belichick will certainly find a way to take something our offense wants to do, and we will need to attack them in a completely opposite way.  That seems to be the goal of both McDermott and Daboll.  I'm just not certain we are quite there yet.

 

I know that fans don't want to hear it, but I think we are totally mismatched on both sides.  Out team is much better than years past, but we still aren't on the Patriots level.  That doesn't mean we can't win.  It just means we need to play WAY better than we have at any point this season.  We need a great game from the interior pass rush.  We need tight coverage and flawless tackling at all levels.  We need a better performance from the offensive line.  We need the coaches and Josh Allen ready to adjust the gameplan at a moments notice.  And we cannot turn the ball over.

 

 

 

[ddaryl]

32 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

 

 

I’m expecting to see a Female Bills fan who is in gymnastics streak across the whole field.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is she going to stick the landing, or land on the stick ?

[GreggTX]

I know that a Bills win would shock a lot of people. I don't expect it, but even if NE wins convincingly, I still think we're a wild card team. The schedule favors us.

 

Too bad Singletary probably won't be able to go.

Edited September 23, 2019 by GreggTX

[Augie]

9 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

1. This is going be a low scoring affair, yes neither team has faced a good team yet. (and lets face it how different would the Giants game have been with that rookie instead of Eli) but the Pats are the 1st rank D and the Bills the 6th ranked D. neither is a push over. 

 

2.  Close game - I see it going into the 4th quarter something like 13-10. Especially if Edelman is unable to play. 

 

3. Sacks golour - i see 10 sacks in this game! i'll say 5 a side. Patriots on 2 backup tackles (hopefully Cannon back but who knows) and well  as I have read hear from Bills Fans Allen holds onto the ball a long time and with the Pats secondary I don't see that changing this week.

 

those are three thing stick out to me for this matchup. I want a good game with Neither side having any major injuries, been way to many of those threw out the NFL this year. 

 

I’d like the first sack to be of Brady, then the next 9 to be of a string of backups and emergency NE QB guys.  

 

OK, just kidding. I don’t want anyone to get hurt.....but if somebody MUST go down......   ?

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

9 hours ago, Bevis said:

I think the Pats D puts Allen through the ringer and causes many hero ball moments.

 

[LABILLBACKER]

It will be low scoring 

It will be closer than 7

And the ultimate shocker will be the refs finally give us some calls v Brady

16-13 Bills

[Buffalo86]

I expect Belichick will employ a 2-3-6 defense to take away the short passing game & encourage Josh Allen to take off running.  "Team, in order to beat the Bills, we have to let Josh Allen run for 100 yards."  The plan will backfire when Dawson Knox makes some key downfield blocks, paving the way for Allen's 200 yard rushing day.  

[34-78-83]

I'll watch optimistically but won't believe that we can hang with B & B until I see it. Another Pats pull away in the 2nd half game is likely. We can win this one but odds are slim.

[Tiffany980]

11 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

1. This is going be a low scoring affair, yes neither team has faced a good team yet. (and lets face it how different would the Giants game have been with that rookie instead of Eli) but the Pats are the 1st rank D and the Bills the 6th ranked D. neither is a push over. 

 

2.  Close game - I see it going into the 4th quarter something like 13-10. Especially if Edelman is unable to play. 

 

3. Sacks golour - i see 10 sacks in this game! i'll say 5 a side. Patriots on 2 backup tackles (hopefully Cannon back but who knows) and well  as I have read hear from Bills Fans Allen holds onto the ball a long time and with the Pats secondary I don't see that changing this week.

 

those are three thing stick out to me for this matchup. I want a good game with Neither side having any major injuries, been way to many of those threw out the NFL this year. 

Patriots' defense has given up 6 points over the last 4 games...

 

10 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Sadly this is the case.  The Pats O-line will get away with this against Hughes and others.

Better coaching yields better results. EVERY team complains about holding because it can be called on every snap. NE's D is held on every play too... So are the Bills, Jets, Dolphins, etc...

[TigerJ]

I don't have a good feel for how the game turns out, but several things are givens.  Among them, Belichick will have a strategy on defense to take something away and challenge Buffalo to move the ball without that one facet of their offense.  It will be whatever Belichick thinks Buffalo depends on the most to make their offense click.  It could be the running game.  It could be Josh's tendency to roll out and make plays on the run.  Whatever it is, Buffalo's success on offense will depend on Josh Allen's ability to operate out of his comfort zone.  

 

When Buffalo is on defense, New England has demonstrated the ability to do a lot of different things.  Last season, and it progressed, New England appeared to start relying on the running game a lot more, but this season, the running game has not been that much of a factor.  Instead, Brady has been putting up some big numbers again.  History has shown he can do that relying a great deal on tight ends or receivers, and the throws to running backs a lot too.  One constant when he's available is Julian Edelman.  I suspect Buffalo will use a lot of nickel alignment versus New England.  They like to do that anyway.  Hopefully, Taron Johnson is ready to go.  Edelman going against Siran Neal is a mismatch that Brady will drool over.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

12 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Exactly.

 

One thing is certain, the Pats* WILL make the Bills pay dearly for any/every boneheaded mistake/turnover. 

 

One thing I know: the pats won’t beat themselves. 

[Jerome007]

6 hours ago, mjt328 said:

Disagree with those expecting a low-scoring game.  

 

Unfortunately, our defensive scheme plays right into Tom Brady's hands.  We like to keep catches in front of us, and limit offenses to short passes... which just happens to be his specialty.  Already this season, I've noticed some weak spots against covering screens and swing passes.  In our four match-ups since McDermott became the coach, the Patriots have put up 23, 37, 25 and 34 points.  Not exactly shut-down performances.  And I suspect the Pats were playing somewhat conservatively against us, knowing we were incapable of actually scoring points.  The only way this changes is if the Bills can bring tight-press-coverage, and heavy pressure up the middle.  After our D-Line bombed against the terrible Bengals blocking, I'm not optimistic.

 

On the other side, it's really hard to find flaws in anything New England has done so far.  They have totally shut-down their first three opponents, not letting up a single offensive touchdown.  They seem to be strong at all three levels.  With that said, I think the Bills can move the ball and score 20-25 points... IF they put all the dumb mistakes behind them.  This is the type of game where a dual-threat QB and versatile offense makes all the difference.  Bill Belichick will certainly find a way to take something our offense wants to do, and we will need to attack them in a completely opposite way.  That seems to be the goal of both McDermott and Daboll.  I'm just not certain we are quite there yet.

 

I know that fans don't want to hear it, but I think we are totally mismatched on both sides.  Out team is much better than years past, but we still aren't on the Patriots level.  That doesn't mean we can't win.  It just means we need to play WAY better than we have at any point this season.  We need a great game from the interior pass rush.  We need tight coverage and flawless tackling at all levels.  We need a better performance from the offensive line.  We need the coaches and Josh Allen ready to adjust the gameplan at a moments notice.  And we cannot turn the ball over.

I can't stand fans that are party poopers and expect a loss and whipping, and are pouting already! But not a post like yours, as at least you put legit arguments.

[Mat68]

22 hours ago, BeefCurtns said:

See I think if we get into a shootout we lose . Currently Brady will beat Allen 100 out of 100 times period if it's a pass war. Brady can't be effective if he's not on the field much.

Being aggressive and getting in a shoot out are two different things.  Passing more often on first down vs running is being aggressive.  Allen passing 45 to 50 times isnt what I'm asking either.  I think the Bill's defense holds NE to the low 20s.  Buffalo needs to score 24 plus.  To do that they need to maintain their aggressiveness.

 

Both games vs the Giants and Bengals.  Up by 14 they go conservative.  Coming out of halftime they ran on every first down til the game was in jeopardy.  Against NE they cant slip into that trap.  

 

 

[Pokebball]

19 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I’m expecting at least 1/4 of the Bills fans in the stadium to be wearing a Orchids of Asia shirt with Krafts name on the back. 

 

I’m also expecting to see at least 3 *****’s thrown onto the field.

 

I’m expecting a Bills victory 27-24

 

I’m expecting penalties to be 

Bills 11 for 120 yds

Patriots 2 for 20

 

I’m expecting the Bills to get 2 turnovers in this game.

 

I’m expecting to see a Female Bills fan who is in gymnastics streak across the whole field.

 

I’m expecting to see a Bills fan pee in the sink while a Pats fan is washing his hands 

 

I’m expecting to see Brady knocked out of the game in the 3rd qtr.

 

 

 

I need some help on the 2nd item

[MDH]

On 9/23/2019 at 10:21 AM, SWATeam said:

I'm hoping to see the Bills bat a lot of balls in defense of the short passing game.

 

Yeah, this. With all the batted balls near the LoS it's amazing that only one of them has been picked off this year. Let's hope a couple of those batted balls end up in the hands of a LB or S this week.