Kmart128 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 It was clear the ref was most likely wrong based off were Gore was but no way it can be overturned because the video couldn't determine where ball was conclusively. But that was a bad call by the ref. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Yea BS call but all in all B+ for the refs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 That was a total joke, the ball clearly crossed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, Gray Beard said: It sort of makes sense to me. For a touchdown, if it touches the white line, it’s in the end zone. Therefore, to not be in the end zone, it cannot be touching any of the white line. exactly. what are the refs going to do, spot the ball /on/ the goal line for the next play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, coloradobillsfan said: exactly. what are the refs going to do, spot the ball /on/ the goal line for the next play? For the Patriots, they would at least try. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 47 minutes ago, yall said: I can understand the refs misreading it in real time. I can't understand McD not challenging it. Scoring plays automatically reviewed i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 It was not clear to me. Not sure how you can say that without just making an assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 There was a brief showing of a camera angle from behind the play that showed the runners feet crossing forward over the goal line. Now you can’t see the ball in relation to the goal line but logic would tell you that the ball got past the line and it was not a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: I saw it clearly. Well, screenshot that, and post it here. I was sure he was out, but all the camera angles I saw showed nothing to make it indisputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 You never see that called a safety, ever. Ball carrier is at the 1, gets driven back and they call a safety and can’t overturn due to angles and bodies. Jets forum has the audacity to have a couple posters complaining about the refs. The refs handed them 2 points and an extra turnover that gave them starting field position at the 40, leading to their only offensive scoring drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, mattynh said: It was not clear to me. Not sure how you can say that without just making an assumption. I think the main point is it was a terrible terrible initial call. Unless it's clearly a safety you don't call a safety there. I've never seen one like that called a safety on the field. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, Andy1 said: There was a brief showing of a camera angle from behind the play that showed the runners feet crossing forward over the goal line. Now you can’t see the ball in relation to the goal line but logic would tell you that the ball got past the line and it was not a safety. Under NFL rules you cannot make that assumption even if it is 100% evident. You have to see the ball. I believe on the mlive carry as well as one early replay you could see him across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 54 minutes ago, yall said: I can understand the refs misreading it in real time. I can't understand McD not challenging it. No need t challenge it was a scoring play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, coloradobillsfan said: exactly. what are the refs going to do, spot the ball /on/ the goal line for the next play? No, just past it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I love all the people going "like omg wtf I saw the ball leave the endzone clear as day a blind man could see that". No. No you didn't. Take the homer glasses off for a second. I agree that it was a bad call to grant them the safety in the first place, but the ruling to leave the play as called upon review was per the rules correct. It was just one of those plays that would have stood on lack of clear evidence regardless of which was it was initially called. You cannot INFER that ball was out, you have to SEE the actual ball being out. 9 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: No need t challenge it was a scoring play I think he got the idea after the first 30 people corrected him on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 It shouldn't have been called a safety to begin with, and unfortunately the camera angles could not provide enough evidence to overturn the bad call on the field. Gore was clearly out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 There are supposed to be goal line cameras to watch for plays like that. 16 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: I love all the people going "like omg wtf I saw the ball leave the endzone clear as day a blind man could see that". No. No you didn't. Take the homer glasses off for a second. I agree that it was a bad call to grant them the safety in the first place, but the ruling to leave the play as called upon review was per the rules correct. It was just one of those plays that would have stood on lack of clear evidence regardless of which was it was initially called. You cannot INFER that ball was out, you have to SEE the actual ball being out. I think he got the idea after the first 30 people corrected him on that. Most on here have said that there wasn't enough evidence to overturn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, yall said: I can understand the refs misreading it in real time. I can't understand McD not challenging it. Scoring play - it was reviewed. McD would be an idiot to try to challenge (and not allowed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, yall said: I can understand the refs misreading it in real time. I can't understand McD not challenging it. Scoring plays are reviewed automatically...and it wasn't overturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Gray Beard said: It sort of makes sense to me. For a touchdown, if it touches the white line, it’s in the end zone. Therefore, to not be in the end zone, it cannot be touching any of the white line. It's this, exactly. The entire goal line is considered part of the endzone. It's why you just have to break the plane for a TD, but escape it completely to avoid a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 A couple things about this play. 1. How did the official who made the call see it so clearly when his view was obstructed?. If you see the official run in he excitedly makes the call immediately as if there wasn't a doubt in his mind. 2. You CAN see the Bills running back get past the goal line at which he gets takes a wicked hit which not only stops him but takes him off his feet, and then the negative momentum piles him back into the endzone . I guess that where he landed provided the official with the illusion that he never left the end zone. 3. I don't understand how a big money league in a billion $ stadium has no direct overhead sky cam view? That would have easily answered the question without doubt but somehow there wasn't one?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 There was no video that showed the ball crossing the plane. Therefore, no grounds to overturn. Move on - even though I have no doubt it should not have been a safety, I'm OK with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, yall said: I can understand the refs misreading it in real time. I can't understand McD not challenging it. He didn't have to. As a scoring play it was automatically reviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: He couldn't. They have to review it in the booth because it was a scoring play. If the back of the ball is touching the EZ line, it’s a safety. I think it was probably the right call. The bills deserved it, frankly. That has to be fair caught (like the earlier one rightly was by hyde at the 5 - there was jets guy behind hyde on that play who was ready to down it at the 1-2 yard line). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said: I love all the people going "like omg wtf I saw the ball leave the endzone clear as day a blind man could see that". No. No you didn't. Take the homer glasses off for a second. I agree that it was a bad call to grant them the safety in the first place, but the ruling to leave the play as called upon review was per the rules correct. It was just one of those plays that would have stood on lack of clear evidence regardless of which was it was initially called. You cannot INFER that ball was out, you have to SEE the actual ball being out. I think he got the idea after the first 30 people corrected him on that. Damn, you ooze of pretension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, ko12010 said: Damn, you ooze of pretension If being tired of people being obnoxious idiots is pretentious, then pretentious I shall be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: I saw it clearly. No you didn't. No one could see where the ball was. The entire ball must get out of the endzone. To me it looked like he did, but there was no view that proved it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 More evidence that the nfl Turkey doesn’t want to fix their officiating problems. Like I’ve been saying for a decade. Add more cameras. Add officials in the booth with access to multiple cameras. this was terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 The live shot showed it best. His feet were on the line, and he was leaning forward when he was first hit. The ball should have been spotted at the 1' line. Ridiculous not to have the reverse angle on the other side, because that's the ####### who called the safety. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 The surprising part to me was the call on the field, which is almost never done unless it's obvious in that situation... But after they called it...Incorrectly IMHO...I get why it was not turned over... Still...a bad call...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: I love all the people going "like omg wtf I saw the ball leave the endzone clear as day a blind man could see that". No. No you didn't. Take the homer glasses off for a second. I agree that it was a bad call to grant them the safety in the first place, but the ruling to leave the play as called upon review was per the rules correct. It was just one of those plays that would have stood on lack of clear evidence regardless of which was it was initially called. You cannot INFER that ball was out, you have to SEE the actual ball being out. I think he got the idea after the first 30 people corrected him on that. Finally someone reasonable! I thought he made it out too, but you just couldn’t see where the ball was. So many people in here wearing their “homer glasses” as you called it. Haha. Edited September 9, 2019 by cantankerous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Both of his feet were out of the endzone at one point. So physics would say, since he was carrying the ball with both hands in front of him, the ball made it out also. You could tell from the endzone angle. Bad call. I've seen much closer and clearer not be called a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Pretty crazy imo. The refs always give benefit of the doubt to forward progress. I've seen more questionable plays not called safties. With the amount of money the NFL makes, the lack of goal line angles always suprises me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 7 hours ago, ko12010 said: I think the main point is it was a terrible terrible initial call. Unless it's clearly a safety you don't call a safety there. I've never seen one like that called a safety on the field. Is it possible the ref had a clear angle/view? The tv shots were never clear but it did not look good for the bills to me. The entire ball has to get out of the end zone. Just because it was not clear to you or tv cameras does not make it a bad call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 8 hours ago, yall said: I can understand the refs misreading it in real time. I can't understand McD not challenging it. McD didn’t need to review, it was a scoring play and was automatically reviewed. you’d have to be blind not to see he was out of the end zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 6 hours ago, dave mcbride said: If the back of the ball is touching the EZ line, it’s a safety. I think it was probably the right call. The bills deserved it, frankly. That has to be fair caught (like the earlier one rightly was by hyde at the 5 - there was jets guy behind hyde on that play who was ready to down it at the 1-2 yard line). It was comical because in the Game Day Thread, there were posters upset at Hyde for fair catching the previous punt. "Why would you do that?" "You never fair catch a ball inside the 5!!" and so on. And that's why you do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 If they are gonna start mandating that all,of the ball make it out of the end zone than an overhead camera should be mandated at every goal line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 9 hours ago, yall said: I can understand the refs misreading it in real time. I can't understand McD not challenging it. It's a scoring play, it already gets reviewed, nothing he can do to challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 9 hours ago, yall said: I can understand the refs misreading it in real time. I can't understand McD not challenging it. Because there was no camera angle that showed definitive proof to overturn it. I believe he did as there was one camera angle showing he had crossed the line but you couldnt see the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 10 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I didnt hear the announcers discuss this, and not that they are always right about these things, but to me it was very clear, both live and on replay that Gore's forward progress was 1-2 feet across the goal line. It wasn't even all that close as far as those things go. My only possibility is if on the replay the Refs could easily infer that Gore was well out of the endzone but didn't see the ball on that particular view. One view, IMO, showed he was clearly over. What was the explanation and what do you guys say? I wasn't even worried until the Bills were kicking off. I couldn't see where the ball was...the whole ball has to get outside the front endzone line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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