Do you want a WR at 9?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Just now, NewEra said:

My bad again.  Oliver is terrible.  Zach Allen >>. Ed Oliver.  I know, look at the tape.  I know, look at the stats.  its just so obvious that I’m starting to think hat Allen will be taken in the top 10 and Oliver in the 2nd rd

 

 

 

Never said he's terrible, just comparable to a lot of other players at his position for pass rushing. While I don't think Metcalf is comparable to any of the receivers.

 

Hopefully this time my point is clear enough so you can stop putting words in my mouth and using sarcasm as a debate tactic. It's not clever or funny and it's not combating any points being made.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Only Hockenson... but he's a TE

[LyndonvilleBill]

The way I see it, The road to where we want to be is going to go through New England or KC. The way to beat them is to take Brady and Mahomes out of the equation. Need Pass rush more than WR's....

[NewEra]

Between you and the guy saying that Zach Allen is more of a physical freak than Ed Oliver, because he’s bigger, I’m really in awe.  

 

I’m hanging with my wife on the couch while I read this stuff.  I don’t feel like digging up articles and stats to prove my point.  My point is well documented.  

 

Then you say this:

“The point is there are players in the 2nd and 3rd round that can provide what Oliver provides.  What point is this when there are several WRs 

 

But there are no players like Metcalf, sometimes for years. He's not just a size/speed combo. He was already considered the top WR before this past season and combine. The injury is the only reason he might be available at 9 since he was on pace for a huge year.. Meanwhile Ed Oliver was considered the best DT prior to the season and got stuck playing the zero tech getting double and triple teamed all year.  But that doesn’t mean anything to you?  Of course, it doesn’t fit your agenda.  

 

But Ed Oliver isn’t a physical freak https://www.google.com/amp/s/theramswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/28/ed-oliver-pro-day-aaron-donald-comparison-nfl-draft/amp/

 

 

40-yard dash	3-cone	Short shuttle	Vertical	Broad	Bench
Donald	4.68s	7.11s	4.39s	32″	116″	35 reps
Oliver	4.73s	7.15s	4.22s	36″	120″	32 reps

 

Just to put Ed Oliver’s 4.19 short-shuttle time into perspective, here’s some other notable results:

4.18 – Antonio Brown
4.19 – DeSean Jackson
4.24 – Saquon Barkley
4.24 – Le’Veon Bell
4.25 – Julio Jones
4.39 – Aaron Donald

 

Edit: and he fits the draft profile of McBeane of rare size/speed/talent in the first.  Oliver doesn’t fit because he isn’t 6’5?

 

Metcalf is clearly a specimen.  None of the WRs in rd 2 bring his freakiness to the table.  The same is true for Ed Oliver.  Ed hasn’t had neck surgery either.  If the neck surgery doesn’t bother you AT ALL, that’s just strange.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Between you and the guy saying that Zach Allen is more of a physical freak than Ed Oliver, because he’s bigger, I’m really in awe.  

 

I’m hanging with my wife on the couch while I read this stuff.  I don’t feel like digging up articles and stats to prove my point.  My point is well documented.  

 

Then you say this:

“The point is there are players in the 2nd and 3rd round that can provide what Oliver provides.  What point is this when there are several WRs 

 

But there are no players like Metcalf, sometimes for years. He's not just a size/speed combo. He was already considered the top WR before this past season and combine. The injury is the only reason he might be available at 9 since he was on pace for a huge year.. Meanwhile Ed Oliver was considered the best DT prior to the season and got stuck playing the zero tech getting double and triple teamed all year.  But that doesn’t mean anything to you?  Of course, it doesn’t fit your agenda.  

 

But Ed Oliver isn’t a physical freak https://www.google.com/amp/s/theramswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/28/ed-oliver-pro-day-aaron-donald-comparison-nfl-draft/amp/

 

 

40-yard dash	3-cone	Short shuttle	Vertical	Broad	Bench
Donald	4.68s	7.11s	4.39s	32″	116″	35 reps
Oliver	4.73s	7.15s	4.22s	36″	120″	32 reps

 

Just to put Ed Oliver’s 4.19 short-shuttle time into perspective, here’s some other notable results:

4.18 – Antonio Brown
4.19 – DeSean Jackson
4.24 – Saquon Barkley
4.24 – Le’Veon Bell
4.25 – Julio Jones
4.39 – Aaron Donald

 

Edit: and he fits the draft profile of McBeane of rare size/speed/talent in the first.  Oliver doesn’t fit because he isn’t 6’5?

 

Metcalf is clearly a specimen.  None of the WRs in rd 2 bring his freakiness to the table.  The same is true for Ed Oliver.  Ed hasn’t had neck surgery either.  If the neck surgery doesn’t bother you AT ALL, that’s just strange.

 

Again stop putting words in my mouth. I’m not a doctor. I said if the doctors think it’s an issue then don’t draft him. 

 

Also never said Oliver isn’t a physical freak. I’d just rather have Metcalf and a later round DT than Oliver and a later round WR

Edited April 14, 2019 by Chemical

[Dr. Who]

8 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

Again stop putting words in my mouth. I’m not a doctor. I said if the doctors think it’s an issue then don’t draft him. 

 

Also never said Oliver isn’t a physical freak. I’d just rather have Metcalf and a later round DT than Oliver and a later round WR

I think you can make a case either way. Lot of second round wr possibilities I like. Harry and Isabella are two of them. I can see Tillery in the second at DL, but my first choice is Oliver at nine. If they go DK in the first, I'm okay with the gamble.

[Doc Brown]

The only one worth taking would be Metcalf as his potential is off the charts compared to other WR's.  He could easily be the next Julio Jones.  The problem is that analysis is based mostly off combine results and his pro day.  If we pass on him and he's the next TO (production wise) the "We could've had Mahomes" will be followed by "We could've had Metcalf" even though most were in favor of them passing on both at the time.  I would be fine with Beane taking him at nine and I would be fine if he drafted a DE/DT or TE as well.

[billsredneck1]

3 hours ago, WMDman said:

no, give me ed oliver

sorry, i'll read through the pages later.... but felt little need to go farther than this. reason being....

 

they needed oline help badly.  they put together a huge fa group so they aren't reliant on spending a high draft pick there.

 

they needed wr help badly.  they again, put together a good group.....see above

 

they need to replace kyle, improve the pass rush, sack total and improve the run defense . they set themselves up nicely to go bpa at the bpn (biggest possible need, dt.)

PLEASE GET ED OLIVER!  we can move around the draft after that to get some de help.

 

it's not hard to see the direction they are going and that they do have a plan. hopefully for once since 1985, we have a f.o. that will not suck on one side of the ball while concentrating on the other.....which has been the (for lack of a better word), billsy thing to do for way too long.

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Between you and the guy saying that Zach Allen is more of a physical freak than Ed Oliver, because he’s bigger, I’m really in awe.  

 

I’m hanging with my wife on the couch while I read this stuff.  I don’t feel like digging up articles and stats to prove my point.  My point is well documented.  

 

Then you say this:

“The point is there are players in the 2nd and 3rd round that can provide what Oliver provides.  What point is this when there are several WRs 

 

But there are no players like Metcalf, sometimes for years. He's not just a size/speed combo. He was already considered the top WR before this past season and combine. The injury is the only reason he might be available at 9 since he was on pace for a huge year.. Meanwhile Ed Oliver was considered the best DT prior to the season and got stuck playing the zero tech getting double and triple teamed all year.  But that doesn’t mean anything to you?  Of course, it doesn’t fit your agenda.  

 

But Ed Oliver isn’t a physical freak https://www.google.com/amp/s/theramswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/28/ed-oliver-pro-day-aaron-donald-comparison-nfl-draft/amp/

 

 

40-yard dash	3-cone	Short shuttle	Vertical	Broad	Bench
Donald	4.68s	7.11s	4.39s	32″	116″	35 reps
Oliver	4.73s	7.15s	4.22s	36″	120″	32 reps

 

 Just to put Ed Oliver’s 4.19 short-shuttle time into perspective, here’s some other notable results:

4.18 – Antonio Brown
4.19 – DeSean Jackson
4.24 – Saquon Barkley
4.24 – Le’Veon Bell
4.25 – Julio Jones
4.39 – Aaron Donald

 

Edit: and he fits the draft profile of McBeane of rare size/speed/talent in the first.  Oliver doesn’t fit because he isn’t 6’5?

 

Metcalf is clearly a specimen.  None of the WRs in rd 2 bring his freakiness to the table.  The same is true for Ed Oliver.  Ed hasn’t had neck surgery either.  If the neck surgery doesn’t bother you AT ALL, that’s just strange.

 

Out of curiousity, what was Metcalf’s short shuttle time?

 

 

 

[Estro]

No

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..FWIW (HINT: not much), see McBeane going DL/Edge in the 1st after trading down for an extra 2nd.....did get some FA OL toys to work with.....perhaps LB in the 2nd and maybe TE/WR with second 2nd or 3rd......

[mrags]

I personally don’t want Metcalf. if they trade back a few and take him I’ll be all in. I think he’s a swing for the fences type of pick. Could be dominant in this league or could bust out. I don’t feel there’s an in between with him. 

 

I’d rather trade back and take a TE. Stay where we are and grab a dominant DT/DE and then go for WR in round 2-4. 

 

Trade back into the first for AJ Brown

2nd round Harry, Butler

 

[Estro]

The only guy I like as a 1st rounder is AJ Brown and I'd want to take him in the 20-32 range.

 

 

I'm a hard pass on Metcalf.

[Bookie Man]

No value for WR at 9

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Out of curiousity, what was Metcalf’s short shuttle time?

 

 

 

Worse than Tom Brady’s.  ?

41 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

Again stop putting words in my mouth. I’m not a doctor. I said if the doctors think it’s an issue then don’t draft him. 

 

Also never said Oliver isn’t a physical freak. I’d just rather have Metcalf and a later round DT than Oliver and a later round WR

You and about 7 others.  

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Worse than Tom Brady’s.  ?

So he took the short shuttle, and made it longer? 

 

EDIT: OK, I looked it up. Oliver had 4.19 while DK (a WR, NOT a DT) had 4.50 seconds. Is a DT suppoesed to be able to change direction better than a WR? 

Edited April 14, 2019 by Augie

[OldTimer1960]

Not from this class.  Not saying there aren’t good WR prospects, but nobody that is tempting in the top 15-20

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

So he took the short shuttle, and made it longer? 

 

EDIT: OK, I looked it up. Oliver had 4.19 while DK (a WR, NOT a DT) had 4.50 seconds. Is a DT suppoesed to be able to change direction better than a WR? 

But Metcalf is the physical freak because he puts too much time in the weight room and can run a fast 40.  

[Boca BIlls]

Only if he will give me 6+ TDs and 1k+ yards.

[billsredneck1]

if they don't get oliver, obviously i'll be bummed.....but i've said this before,,,,one thing i do know is that they will do something i never saw coming, or could never have dreamed up.

looking at past picks, these guys find players who have a humble past and the drive to be great. they do unbelievable  research. the players they uncover always fit the mold.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

No. With the FA signings the needs in order are EDGE/OLB, DT, TE, OT.  WR is fine to address in the 3rd round.  Maybe Zay can turn it around and if Foster continues to develop they could have a solid 4.  Adding a star TE does more for that group than another WR.  

Because I think the best DL will be gone by 9, I favor TE at # 9 or hopefully a few spots lower.

I would be fine with a Taylor if he drops or maybe the WSU OT.  An OT can compete to start at RT or at worst is insurance if Dawkins regresses further or has a high contract demand.  But again TE is a more crucial need for this franchise.  Kroft is basically the same non-descript average talent they have had at TE for decades.  

All that said, if Sweat, Gary, or Oliver are there at 9 the Bills will take one of those guys.  Certainly if Allen or Williams drop to 9 they will be all over one of them.  

[JaCrispy]

No

[BobDVA]

I am all in on Oliver at 9.  If he is gone, then the best d lineman on the board.  If there is one thing I cannot stand is someone running on us like New England did in that second game last year.  A good TE or WR will be available in round two.

[Alphadawg7]

Yes, but also wont be upset if we addressed the lines either or TE.  But would love me some DK Metcalf or trade back up into the first and get Harry if we go another position at 9.

[Just Joshin']

Let me check.......nope there are no WRs in the top 9.  Simple eh.

[OldTimer1960]

14 minutes ago, BobDVA said:

I am all in on Oliver at 9.  If he is gone, then the best d lineman on the board.  If there is one thing I cannot stand is someone running on us like New England did in that second game last year.  A good TE or WR will be available in round two.

I’m not opposed to Oliver, but I don’t think he is a dominant run defender.

[LSHMEAB]

19 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I’m not opposed to Oliver, but I don’t think he is a dominant run defender.

He's not, but we're in the market for a penetrating 3T DT. An ideal 4-3 defense contains a space eater and a playmaker. 

 

Oliver's skill set would be a terrific fit.

[formerlyofCtown]

Trench

[KD in CA]

Hell no.

[BobChalmers]

I want a TE at 9 - Have you seen our depth chart?  Croom seems like a nice enough kid, but I'm pretty sure we can do better.

[purple haze]

9 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Do you want a WR at 9? The reason I ask is that there don't appear to be any WR's in this draft rated that high and we already have Beasley, Brown, Jones and Foster and a couple others. Maybe we should even wait until next year to bring in someone that could be elite. 

 

One way that the Bills could maximize their talent at WR is by using 4 WR sets and forcing other teams to use 3 or even 4 CB's to cover them all. All of the WR's I listed are average or better. How many teams have 4 CB's that are average or better? Our #3 and #4 WR's could have pretty decent numbers this year because that's where you'll find our most favorable mismatches. Imagine Jones or Foster all day against a dumpster dive CB that just signed. I'll take that matchup all day long.

I'd prefer DL or OL because those players, I believe, will be the best players on the board at 9.   They could always try to trade up into the bottom third of the first round to grab a WR, which I would have no issues with be it DK or AJ.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

9 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

Jawaan Taylor,OT,University of Florida

Here here!

[Inigo Montoya]

 

Grab Hockenson at #9 if he's still on the board.  Hockenson has just as much potential to put up WR1 numbers as Metcalf does, but can also buttress the O-line, keep Allen upright, and facilitate the running game.  Those are things that Metcalf can't do.

[Orlando Tim]

I assume we go BPA at 9 and i do not think any recievers are even in that vicinity.

[KOKBILLS]

Yep...

 

Don't care if I'm in the minority or not...I have DK as a Top 5 talent in this Draft...When he comes into his own I think he'll be a Top 5 NFL WR...

 

I don't think there will be another prospect available at #9 with his upside...

 

But we'll see...I've been wrong before...

 

Once... ?

[Niagara Dude]

17 hours ago, mannc said:

I wouldn’t mind Metcalf at 9.  High risk high reward and finally a guy defenses will have to account for.  I also think we could use him in the running game the way the Pats used Cordarrelle Patterson last year.  Then go D-line at 40.  There will be plenty of talent still available.

I agree.  you need a guy who has the size and speed that most teams cannot match-up with. He is a beast,  enough with these guys who have high motors,  this guy is athletic freak and is worth the risk. 

 

Look at Gronk as an example. he had injury concerns before being drafted,  end of the day teams could not match-up with him because of his size & speed factor.  Too big for DB'S and too fast for LB'S.  Go for it,  the guy is as big as TE and runs like a deer.  We need a special talent on this team,  everyone getting excited with all the signed guys but no high-end talent,  just a bunch of mediocre level guys other than maybe the center from KC we signed.  You need difference makers that can make you plays in the 4th quarter to win those close games. i don't see that right now.  I even thought the team should have moved on from Shaddy and start fresh with new young explosive running back who are easy to find in the draft.  I hope this is something they look at,  you need a guy that can break the long runs and i don't see that we Shaddy at this point in his career.

[WideRightRevenge]

[machine gun kelly]

I think all of the top defensive players will be gone along with Murray.  Our best shot in my humble opinion is to get a generational TE as they are just not that common.  Name the last year we saw 4 top TE’s in one draft.  I’m still all in on Hockinson.  He can block, catch and run.  He would be an excellent Red Zone threat jumping over the CB, and using his body at 250 lbs. to block someone out.

[North Buffalo]

Unless a tight end is 6'8" 260+ and can run a 4.5 with first basemen mitts for hands... not generational... draft a basketball player in the later rounds for Tight End... get a D-Line or WR in first and move on... 

[DCOrange]

I believe DK is a top 10 prospect, but I don't think he'll be BPA at #9. We'll see though. I personally would be happy if he were the pick but they can go in a lot of other directions that I'll still be happy with.