Anonymous Poll: Would you support a Bills waiver claim for Kareem Hunt?

[StHustle]

It's a known fact many teams would steer clear from signing a guy in Hunt's situation due to the public backlash.

I am HIGHLY interested, and Im sure others are too (including the Bills Front Office), how Bills fans would receive such a move.
 

Hunt will likely receive 6 or more games. THIS WAS NOT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE and doesnt fall under the 6 game mandatory suspension policy however with the video being out there I can't see them doing anything less. With that said I fully expect Hunt to be on the field some time next year. A team who wins a waiver wire claim would have his rights.

Personally, after watching the video and going off other things Ive heard, I dont think what has happened makes this guy a scum bag. What he did was wrong but I believe many are extremely overreacting when it comes to judging this guys entire existence. There are many aspects to this story that would cause almost anybody who has been drinking to become enraged. He clearly showed restraint and didnt even injure the woman at all.

With that said I would 100% support claiming this guy. Wouldn't be mad at all and in fact would be THRILLED if we won the claim. I doubt we would win though as I feel confident the Raiders will claim him.

Edited December 2, 2018 by StHustle

[Warcodered]

Only way I'm even remotely comfortable with it is if he agrees to go through some sort of program to deal with his issues.

[batmanfreek]

You have to look at this in a business aspect, since that is what the nfl is.  He may win you some games, but will it make you money or hurt your reputation/advertising/wallet?

 

So no from that stance. 

 

If it was strictly about winning games then of course any team would sign him. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

27 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Only way I'm even remotely comfortable with it is if he agrees to go through some sort of program to deal with his issues.

Just curious. Why would him attending a program make you feel better? 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Just curious. Why would him attending a program make you feel better? 

I would feel more comfortable because that would be him at least taking some responsibility for his actions and working to resolve whatever problems he has that lead him to this point. I'd prefer that to him just ending up on the team like he didn't do anything wrong.

[Not at the table Karlos]

12 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I would feel more comfortable because that would be him at least taking some responsibility for his actions and working to resolve whatever problems he has that lead him to this point. I'd prefer that to him just ending up on the team like he didn't do anything wrong.

I'm on the fence about programs and classes to change behavior. It has to be the person wanting to change and they have to make an honest effort. I've seen many people attend programs and a lot of them were there just to act like they're bettering themselves but go right back to what they were doing but with more caution so they don't get caught again. People would go back to giving them the benefit of the doubt because of the program while the person continued their ways. 

[cba fan]

LeSean McCoy could mentor him.?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Doesn't fit.

 

Maybe the Redskins.

 

 

Just now, cba fan said:

LeSean McCoy could mentor him.?

 

how to not get caught

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

You left out the ***** no option.

[SydneyBillsFan]

Pointless discussion as McD would not even entertain the thought on character grounds.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Nope. Great talent, crappy character.

[JMF2006]

NO!

 

You never hit a women....ever.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

13 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

NO!

 

You never hit a women....ever.

 

 

What if it's just one?

[BigDingus]

Wouldn't really be giving him a second chance, as he's already been in trouble before, but I'd still say yes.
 

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

What if it's just one?

 

In that case, yes, tee off good sir.

Edited December 1, 2018 by BigDingus

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

NO

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

OP:  Planning on having Hunt out to one of your 'meet and greets'?

Edited December 1, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[KGun12TD]

Seriously? You made this post? Do you have a mother, wife and/or daughter? Are you sick? 

 

Anyone who Did what he did does not deserve to be rewarded with millions of dollars! At some point common decency Is needed.

 

he needs to go to some serious therapy...how about that instead of football?

[fathersnowman]

hit a women a no no   .   this was not spur of the moment seems pre meditated.   in last weeks game two thrown out of game for fighting with helmets still on spur of the moment.. should never happen period... should we sign him   no.   we are bills fans not women beaters would not support him as a player. 

the commision will ban him  for the lies he told them. why did he not get charged by police.  

therapy for a wife beater or woman beater  can he change no idea but  do not sign for us...

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, cba fan said:

LeSean McCoy could mentor him.?

 

....and Ritchie can gather the "truth" about the whole ordeal...................

[BuffaninATL]

4 hours ago, StHustle said:

Mods, please allow this to stand as it's own thread.

It's a known fact many teams would steer clear from signing a guy in Hunt's situation due to the public backlash.

I am HIGHLY interested, and Im sure others are too, how Bills fans would receive such a move. I can't get this data from the other thread. 

 

Hunt will likely receive 6 or more games. THIS WAS NOT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE and doesnt fall under the 6 game mandatory suspension policy however with the video being out there I can't see them doing anything less. With that said I fully expect Hunt to be on the field some time next year. A team who wins a waiver wire claim would have his rights.

Personally, after watching the video and going off other things Ive heard, I dont think what has happened makes this guy a scum bag. What he did was wrong but I believe many are extremely overreacting when it comes to judging this guys entire existence. There are many aspects to this story that would cause almost anybody who has been drinking to become enraged. He clearly showed restraint and didnt even injure the woman at all.

With that said I would 100% support claiming this guy. Wouldn't be mad at all and in fact would be THRILLED if we won the claim. I doubt we would win though as I feel confident the Raiders will claim him.

If it wasn't domestic violence, it was PUBLIC violence. No thanks, he doesn't fit the McBeane culture and the backlash would be too much.

[Chicken Boo]

I think he deserves a second chance but he won't get it here.

 

McBeane are not yet at the point in the process where they would take on a rehabilitation project.

 

 

[ALLEN1QB]

Stupid thread not wasting another second of my time

[Virgil]

I’ll chime in.  People capable of that kind of behavior isn’t a flash in the pan.  It’s something they will realistically continue to do as the situation presents itself. 

 

To change, it takes the desire to change, a deep understanding of why it’s wrong, empathy, and the genuine punishment as a reminder.  

 

There’s no reason to believe any of those things occurred. If anything, a team putting claim on him is almost a reward.  

 

So no, I think he needs to be stripped down to reality to truly understand the gravity of what he’s done.  

[May Day 10]

Some time ago, i passed the point of caring what players do off the field.  Especially the nfl.  Im sure i have breaking points, but this isnt it.  If they are on the bills, just concerned about avoiding jail time and suspension(s).  

 

These are young men, prime physical specimens for our species, often taken out of tough upbringings, walked through "college" where they are kings, then given unimaginable amounts of money.  Very attractive to women, and have grown accustomed to getting what they want.  All in a world where everyone has a supercomputer in their pocket with an hd camera connected to social media and lawyers circling above.

 

To me, from what is seen in the video, its 95% show by Hunt, being young and very reckless.  Made a very bad choice.  He deserves another chance imo (also a suspension).  He says sorry, does some appearances, and is on watch by the nfl (who advises him to employ a handler).

 

I found you cant be moral police and an nfl fan without painting yourself into a corner.  There are bad guys that appear on every team, and the nfl's first instinct is to hide things.  

 

It is also probably worse punishment to play in the games snd get your bell rung a bunch of times

 

 

 

With that said, i dont see kim pegula signing off on this

Edited December 1, 2018 by May Day 10

[Teddy KGB]

Huge yes.    

 

Enough of the hypocrites who have dreamed about having Tyreek Hill all season long but draw the line here ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

[Rochesterfan]

5 hours ago, StHustle said:

Mods, please allow this to stand as it's own thread.

It's a known fact many teams would steer clear from signing a guy in Hunt's situation due to the public backlash.

I am HIGHLY interested, and Im sure others are too, how Bills fans would receive such a move. I can't get this data from the other thread. 

 

Hunt will likely receive 6 or more games. THIS WAS NOT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE and doesnt fall under the 6 game mandatory suspension policy however with the video being out there I can't see them doing anything less. With that said I fully expect Hunt to be on the field some time next year. A team who wins a waiver wire claim would have his rights.

Personally, after watching the video and going off other things Ive heard, I dont think what has happened makes this guy a scum bag. What he did was wrong but I believe many are extremely overreacting when it comes to judging this guys entire existence. There are many aspects to this story that would cause almost anybody who has been drinking to become enraged. He clearly showed restraint and didnt even injure the woman at all.

With that said I would 100% support claiming this guy. Wouldn't be mad at all and in fact would be THRILLED if we won the claim. I doubt we would win though as I feel confident the Raiders will claim him.

 

 

No - I would not put in a waiver claim on him.

 

Let him sit suspended for his 6+ games on the commissioners exempt list and maybe over the summer you can talk and determine what exactly happened from his point of view.

 

If you get what you feel are honest answers with remorse then you discuss the ability to sign him to a 1 year tryout contract with a ton of proper wording to protect your team.  

 

The NFL will also mandate some kind of classes for him and those must be completed and he has to understand why what he did was wrong.  Again the only way to know that is to sit and talk to him.  

 

Finally - I believe if he is claimed - he will never really understand why and what the problem was with his actions.  If he goes unclaimed - maybe it brings some consequences to his actions and that might bring about change.

 

I am all for second chances, but I also want a full background check in deep detail before I sign this guy - has there been other issues - you may have some from his draft year, but I want everything reviewed before I take a chance - so you can lay everything bare and there is not time with a waiver claim.

[dgrochester55]

Tempting on paper because he is a good player(not person), but no because of the actual incident, suspension and backlash.  I would rather take a chance on a draft pick. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

No - I would not put in a waiver claim on him.

 

Let him sit suspended for his 6+ games on the commissioners exempt list and maybe over the summer you can talk and determine what exactly happened from his point of view.

 

If you get what you feel are honest answers with remorse then you discuss the ability to sign him to a 1 year tryout contract with a ton of proper wording to protect your team.  

 

The NFL will also mandate some kind of classes for him and those must be completed and he has to understand why what he did was wrong.  Again the only way to know that is to sit and talk to him.  

 

Finally - I believe if he is claimed - he will never really understand why and what the problem was with his actions.  If he goes unclaimed - maybe it brings some consequences to his actions and that might bring about change.

 

I am all for second chances, but I also want a full background check in deep detail before I sign this guy - has there been other issues - you may have some from his draft year, but I want everything reviewed before I take a chance - so you can lay everything bare and there is not time with a waiver claim.

 

...agree RF, but he probably would not be in this predicament had he told the Chiefs the truth when questioned.....with TMZ, today's National Enquirer electronic tabloid lurking out there willing to pay any price for the scoop, , don't think you take a chance......tell the Chiefs the truth, perhaps get a one or two game suspension for "conduct detrimental" and move on.....

[LeGOATski]

Yep. People live and learn.

 

He's gonna be claimed by someone.

[george c]

Amazing how some of you guys give a free pass to a criminal just because he can run the football. Sad. 

OJ definitely lived and learned, except at the cost of NBS. 

Edited December 1, 2018 by George C

[Cripple Creek]

4 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Pointless discussion as McD would not even entertain the thought on character grounds.

Your rite, there is no reason for this topic to be discussed. 

[oldmanfan]

I have no need to be anonymous.  No way would I sign this jerk.

[26CornerBlitz]

14 minutes ago, George C said:

Amazing how some of you guys give a free pass to a criminal just because he can run the football. Sad. 

OJ definitely lived and learned, except at the cost of NBS. 

 

No way the Bills will sign him, but criminal?  The Cleveland Police Department didn't charge him and closed the case.  He'll eventually play in the NFL again.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

TMZ must have a lot of money on the Patriots or Steelers.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Anyone who says yes wouldn't if it was their family member or friend that was assaulted and you shouldn't be anywhere NEAR any sort of management position EVER.

 

HELL NO! Any man who hits a woman is a pathetic loser.

Edited December 1, 2018 by EasternOHBillsFan

[NoHuddleKelly12]

“THIS WAS NOT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE” Ummm ok OP, because assault and battery on a stranger female/19 yr old hookup option for an NFL star IS SO MUCH BETTER. Seriously dude, get a grip—all you have to do is tap into your moral compass to hopefully realize we shouldn’t want anything to do with this, ever. There are things that as a matter of principle transcend sports/rooting for a team, and at least for me this is one of them. Just imagine this happened to your mom, daughter, sister, GF, whoever—would you still be so inclined to root for him?

[JM57]

6 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

Anyone who says yes wouldn't if it was their family member or friend that was assaulted and you shouldn't be anywhere NEAR any sort of management position EVER.

 

HELL NO! Any man who hits a woman is a pathetic loser.

Agreed on these points overall. One thing I would like to add is *if*, and this is a huge if, the account of Hunt and his friends is true-- that is he flew off the handle when the young woman in the video used a certain racial slur starting with "n"....then I think that Hunt is a person capable of being "fixed."

 

To be clear, I am not in any way justifying violence toward women or excusing his behavior. What I do feel is that using the N word toward someone puts the offending party in an "all bets are off" situation. You have said something absolutely inexcusable. There is no telling what kind of reaction you will get out of someone if you do that. I can only imagine the pure seething rage it could invoke in a person. Again, that does not excuse Hunt and his wrongdoing. If the racial slur was what triggered this disgusting behavior, it does make me lean toward thinking that with the desire to harness his emotions, Kareem Hunt could change for the better and never do this again.

[Teddy KGB]

34 minutes ago, George C said:

Amazing how some of you guys give a free pass to a criminal just because he can run the football. Sad. 

OJ definitely lived and learned, except at the cost of NBS. 

 

Good point.    Let Miami or the Pats sign him 

 

That will teach him 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[row_33]

No

 

[LeGOATski]

36 minutes ago, George C said:

Amazing how some of you guys give a free pass to a criminal just because he can run the football. Sad. 

OJ definitely lived and learned, except at the cost of NBS. 

It would be an even easier decision if Hunt was as good as OJ.

6 minutes ago, JM57 said:

Agreed on these points overall. One thing I would like to add is *if*, and this is a huge if, the account of Hunt and his friends is true-- that is he flew off the handle when the young woman in the video used a certain racial slur starting with "n"....then I think that Hunt is a person capable of being "fixed."

 

To be clear, I am not in any way justifying violence toward women or excusing his behavior. What I do feel is that using the N word toward someone puts the offending party in an "all bets are off" situation. You have said something absolutely inexcusable. There is no telling what kind of reaction you will get out of someone if you do that. I can only imagine the pure seething rage it could invoke in a person. Again, that does not excuse Hunt and his wrongdoing. If the racial slur was what triggered this disgusting behavior, it does make me lean toward thinking that with the desire to harness his emotions, Kareem Hunt could change for the better and never do this again.

Report is that she and her friend were also fighting Hunt's girlfriend.