Anonymous Poll: Would you support a Bills waiver claim for Kareem Hunt?

[BuffaloMatt]

How does Mixon get a bye for punching a girl in the face? This video is bad but not nearly as bad as that. 

Edited December 1, 2018 by BuffaloMatt

[Watkins90]

Need a third option such as yes, but only if proper steps are taken. I.e. he doesn’t play the rest of the year, doesn’t get paid a cent the rest of the year, undergoes anger management, and truly shows he is trying to show he is a different person before he ever takes the field for the Bills.

 

i don’t condone what he did, but it isn’t like the guy is Rueben Foster.

[TigerJ]

Probably not.  I'm all for second chances, but he's already shown ample capacity to lie and misrepresent himself.  I only consider it if i can have an in depth conversation and I'm convinced that he's truly remorseful and a different person now.  Given his capacity for dishonesty, I have doubts that he could convince me in the short term. 

Edited December 1, 2018 by TigerJ

[Victory Formation]

I'm a lot bigger than Hunt, not once had I ever had to lift a finger to make my point. If you feel you have to get violent then perhaps you should rethink your position more thoroughly. 

 

The fight itself was silly but I question the man's mental development. I don't want intellectually weak players on our team. I want a smart team.

[CSBill]

I voted "no" based on where it is right now.

 

But I think we're all missing the key point here: The question is, would, owner, KIM PEGULA, sign him? According to what we read, she was very involved in the Richie signing. If she did the homework, he does the personal rehab he will have to do, makes some clear and evident lifestyle changes so he does not put himself in situations where something like this is more likely to happen, then I think "yes," she would support it. But that will take time. And most likely, a team more desperate than the Bills will not wait that long.

[dlonce]

No way.

 

The Patriots or Steelers will not claim him, no one will. 

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

Huge yes.    

 

Enough of the hypocrites who have dreamed about having Tyreek Hill all season long but draw the line here ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

This is an excellent point, honestly. Hill was a million times worse. So much worse than he pled guilty. And if the Chiefs wanted to trade him to us, we’d all say yes.

[DallasBillsFan1]

5 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Pointless discussion as McD would not even entertain the thought on character grounds.

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[BurpleBull]

Yep. 

 

The attack wasn't 'brutal' and I'm just unwilling to make Hunt out to be some monster based on the video, especially without learning the details that led to his reaction.

 

I've grown tired of American society's attitude towards women, which favors the coddling of them, even when it's been proven that they're guilty as sin.

 

He's a great running back and this is football; after his 10th td in his first two weeks, it would be all head, shoulder, and butt pats following his crowd dives.

 

Would be all for it.

 

 

 

[mead107]

Hope the patriots sign him ?

[jr1]

they would lose sponsors and there'd be protests with local domestic violence victims

[StHustle]

45 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

“THIS WAS NOT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE” Ummm ok OP, because assault and battery on a stranger female/19 yr old hookup option for an NFL star IS SO MUCH BETTER. Seriously dude, get a grip—all you have to do is tap into your moral compass to hopefully realize we shouldn’t want anything to do with this, ever. There are things that as a matter of principle transcend sports/rooting for a team, and at least for me this is one of them. Just imagine this happened to your mom, daughter, sister, GF, whoever—would you still be so inclined to root for him?

Get a grip man. Was simply pointing this out from the standpoint of the mandatory 6 game suspension I have seen many people talk about. But to answer your question honestly, it would depend on what the situation is.

If my female family member is out having drinks at a hotel party and gets belligerent, call a guys girlfriend a B word, swings on her, spits in her boyfirends face call him a n*****, and walks out of there with no injuries. I'd say what happened to her wasn't so bad.  AGAIN, the way he handled it was not right, but it's amazing how the female's behavior is TOTALLY disregarded in being the complete catalyst to this situation. 

 

Women who behave like this toward police officers learn really quick their genitalia wont save them. But somehow an intoxicated man is scum of the earth because he makes a mistake. Show me Hunt has some history of violence towards women or even violence period. There are too many hypocrites chiming in to even count. Again, if your worst moment in life was caught on tape, odds are you'd be considered a scumbag by the general public as well. Does that make it true though?!?

[Matt_In_NH]

I don't think the benefits outweigh the potential benefit.   Running backs can be found in rounds 2-5 rather routinely.   You might be surprised at his lack of production in a different system.   

[JAMIEBUF12]

Buffalo and Orchard Park is a blue collar regular people town.Let me pose the questio this way.Would you feel comfortable with Kareem being part of the community and not just on the football field???? I know I would not.

[peterpan]

This incident seems way overblown and not very bad at all.  I'm shocked he was released and yes I'd be first in line to sign him.  

 

And to all the posters thinking "no way not after that!!". Please keep in mind how you've cheered for McCoy all season and he likely organized a planned and thought-out beating of his ex girlfriend.  Like a real assault, that wasn't a heat of the moment thing but we'll planned and thought out. 

[billsfan_34]

- Character issues- McD wont have it

- Hunt most likely will be suspended an entire season (maybe banned) from the NFL

- Would he a pr nightmare

 

I dont see claiming Hunt off of wavers as very realistic at all- he is now forever tainted like Ray Rice. 

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

If a known accomplice to murder is allowed to stay in the NFL and win a Super Bowl, then become a commentator... I don’t see why having a guy who pushed a girl down for hitting him, and tapping her with his foot would matter much. There are countless scumbags in the NFL, and it’s a business. If being a great person off the field was a criteria to play for the Bills, I’m sure we would have the worst team ever assembled. As long as they buy into our system and will also stand up for their team/teammates, then bring in all the despicable players, and lets win the big one!

[Chicken Boo]

20 minutes ago, StHustle said:

Get a grip man. Was simply pointing this out from the standpoint of the mandatory 6 game suspension I have seen many people talk about. But to answer your question honestly, it would depend on what the situation is.

If my female family member is out having drinks at a hotel party and gets belligerent, call a guys girlfriend a B word, swings on her, spits in her boyfirends face call him a n*****, and walks out of there with no injuries. I'd say what happened to her wasn't so bad.  AGAIN, the way he handled it was not right, but it's amazing how the female's behavior is TOTALLY disregarded in being the complete catalyst to this situation. 

 

Women who behave like this toward police officers learn really quick their genitalia wont save them. But somehow an intoxicated man is scum of the earth because he makes a mistake. Show me Hunt has some history of violence towards women or even violence period. There are too many hypocrites chiming in to even count. Again, if your worst moment in life was caught on tape, odds are you'd be considered a scumbag by the general public as well. Does that make it true though?!?

 

I appreciate your level-headedness.  Need more like you.

 

If the bold is true, someone has to stop NE from acquiring this guy.

[machine gun kelly]

The NFL won’t allow another black eye for any form of domestic violence.  It’s not Goodell, but the committee will determine if he warrants the 6 games.  As I’ve said before, because of the KC ratings and success I wouldn’t be surprised using the we are still reaching the issue, and make his suspension next year.

[StHustle]

9 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I appreciate your level-headedness.  Need more like you.

 

If the bold is true, someone has to stop NE from acquiring this guy.

 

Have you seen the video of "the victim" and witnesses? There is a reason police didn't arrest Hunt. They clearly did a full investigation. 

 

 

[bobobonators]

Why do we need Kareem Hunt? 

 

We need an elite Oline to protect Allen; we need at least 2 WR; and 1 TE. 

 

Andy Reid converted a 6th round RB in Ware into a really good player in 2016. 

 

Then Reid and that oline took a 3rd round RB in Hunt and made him an excellent RB. 

 

Hunt would be nothing more than an average, dime a dozen RB on the Bills. There is nothing particularly special about Hunt as a RB - he plays on an offense that has an excellent offensive mind/personnel running it. 

 

Can we bring Any Reid and co. Over with Hunt? Then id be all-in. 

 

 

[Mark80]

5 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

NO!

 

You never hit a women....ever.

 

 

 

This is so dumb and overplayed.  You don't hit a woman if she is attacking your wife, your mother, your child?  You don't hit a woman if she is attacking you with a knife or a baseball bat?  You don't hit a woman if she is beating you over and over and won't stop despite you trying to walk away?  It may take a lot, but to say you never hit a woman just because she is a woman no matter what she does is just asinine.

[Shortchaz]

I voted yes for a few reasons, including:

 

I think he deserves a second chance

 

a potential position of need for bills

 

he’s seems to be a rare talent/asset

 

because the poll question is a “yes or no” type question, I will enter the following caveats:

 

assumption that bills did their homework regarding the player/character issues etc, before submitting claim

 

bills sit him for some period of time

 

reworked contract that includes special protections in the bills favor. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

This is nothing like the Ray Rice incident. He gives her a small shove and kicks her lighter than I would kick my kids when we are play fighting. I would bet that she doesn't have one bruise. I do have one question for these women? Why do you instigate the encounter and then keep walking towards the agitated persons. I was once in a bar with the wrestler Big Sexy and I can tell you there is no way I would keep walking towards him if we had a verbal dispute. I really think Hunt has learned from this very small incident and I would bet that it never happens again. This would be a huge pickup for us and would save us a 1st or 2nd rd pick when Shady falls off which I think is soon.

[LTF]

7 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Only way I'm even remotely comfortable with it is if he agrees to go through some sort of program to deal with his issues.

 

A program? What for PR reasons? He isn't changing. He is what he is.

Edited December 1, 2018 by LTF

[No_Matter_What]

I don't get the options in the poll. I'd vote for second chance for him, and I'd do such thing if I was Bills GM (if after some really tough conversation with Hunt I was convinced that he realizes what he has done and after he serves his ban), but I cannot vote for "would love it to be here". It is hard to "love" somebody as Hunt to play for Bills.

[Shortchaz]

4 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

 

This is so dumb and overplayed.  You don't hit a woman if she is attacking your wife, your mother, your child?  You don't hit a woman if she is attacking you with a knife or a baseball bat?  You don't hit a woman if she is beating you over and over and won't stop despite you trying to walk away?  It may take a lot, but to say you never hit a woman just because she is a woman no matter what she does is just asinine.

I agree with what I think you’re trying to say. 

 

It seems like the “shouldn’t beat your wife” movement got turned into “no possible reason to ever strike a woman”. I don’t know why some people think this is gospel. It is some weird perversion of reality. 

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

NO!

 

You never hit a women....ever.

 

 

 

 

Ok but what if the woman was his 5 year old daughter and used a strap or a switch?

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

I voted Yes. After watching the video I think a 6 game suspension would be more than fair, and he deserves a second chance after that. 

 

As far as McBeane not wanting a character like Hunt.... the only difference between Mccoy and Hunt is that Mccoy was never caught on video...

[Philly’sFinest]

I’ll always stand by my view that I want the Bills to put the best team on the field.

 

If it doesn’t hurt the locker room, then I’m on board with a talent at RB like Hunt.

 

He may be a POS, and at some point you would have to cut bait if he got in more trouble like KC really had to, but I’d claim him with a zero tolerance policy attached.

[SCBills]

The “you never hit a woman” crowd are just some white knights trying to low-key look macho by saying that.  

 

The correct phrasing should be “there are rarely circumstances where a man hitting a woman is acceptable”. 

 

This isn’t 1940 or whatever these dudes act like it is. It seems alcohol and public perception has given a certain type of woman license to act however they want to instigate, attack and provoke men, then scream victim if the man defends themselves. 

 

That being said.... even if this woman was annoying, confrontational and called Kareem Hunt the N word, he had enough people there to form a barrier and should’ve just walked away.  

 

If it ended before the kick, it would be a different story, but to walk back over and kick a woman on the ground, who’s not at all a threat to you, was too much.   I wouldn’t sign him. 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2018 by SCBills

[bigK14094]

Agreed this isn't near the Ray Rice incident.   Reporting now was the two police reports content including the woman's statement of the beef.  Hunt and his buds determined the girl was not of the age of consent, and they ask her to leave.   She did not want to leave or to participate in adult acts.  Hunt and co were basically kicking her out of the suite.  Still, didin't go about that in the correct manner.  The police let the issue slide.......fault on both sides, and Hunt was actually doing the right thing in asking her to leave.  On the other hand, Hunt apparently lied to the KC Chief team administration....and, that, allegedly was the cause of the release.  I can understand that, can't pay millions to a guy who isn't straight with you.  So, I voted no.......bad character guy.....a liar.

 

[Augie]

7 hours ago, cba fan said:

LeSean McCoy could mentor him.?

 

Like, help him pick the right champagne???

[HappyDays]

I'm surprised so many people are downplaying the video. Based on the comments, when I went to watch it for the first time I expected some pushing and shoving but nothing too bad. Then halfway through the video he bull rushes her, she falls backwards and appears to smack her head against the wall. That moment alone makes this an easy no for me. He is also being restrained from going after her again. I don't see any way you can argue that what he did wasn't a big deal. Not as bad as what Mixon or Rice did but still deserving of consequences. If KC didn't have a history of domestic violence I think he'd just be suspended a few games or the whole season at most. I still don't want him here.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

The “you never hit a woman” crowd are just some white knights trying to low-key look macho by saying that.  

 

The correct phrasing should be “there are rarely circumstances where a man hitting a woman is acceptable”. 

 

This isn’t 1940 or whatever these dudes act like it is. It seems alcohol and public perception has given a certain type of woman license to act however they want to instigate, attack and provoke men then scream victim of the man defends themselves. 

 

That being said.... even if this woman was annoying, confrontational and called Kareem Hunt the N word, he had enough people there to form a barrier and should’ve just walked away.  

 

If it ended before the kick, it would be a different story but to walk back over and kick a woman on the ground, who’s not at all a threat to you, was too much.  

That kick was the equivalent of patting someone on the back. I think he handled it wrong but he did use massive restraint when he pushed her. The kick is blown way out of perporsion, he basically touches her with his foot. If the pats get this guy I am going to be pissed.

[SCBills]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

That kick was the equivalent of patting someone on the back. I think he handled it wrong but he did use massive restraint when he pushed her. The kick is blown way out of perporsion, he basically touches her with his foot. If the pats get this guy I am going to be pissed.

 

I don’t necessarily disagree, but the optics of it are so bad.   He could’ve walked away even after all the shoving and probably been ok.  The kick, no matter how light, was a bridge too far. 

[HappyDays]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

That kick was the equivalent of patting someone on the back. I think he handled it wrong but he did use massive restraint when he pushed her. The kick is blown way out of perporsion, he basically touches her with his foot. If the pats get this guy I am going to be pissed.

 

If the kick was the worst thing he did he wouldn't be off the team. That was more a power move than a real intent to harm. Still incredibly stupid but not worthy of being cut over. But knocking someone over so hard they hit their head is like playing Russian roulette, and at his size and strength he has to know better than that. People have died from less.

[Keukasmallies]

Can't imagine there being a right side to his actions.

[boyst]

He went to Toledo. So yes.

 

But I have no idea what he did nor do I care.

[stuvian]

If the cops aren't pressing charges there's a reason. There are scores of women out there trying to entrap rich and famous men in such scenarios. Hunt may have shown bad judgement by exposing himself to such people but if he hasn't been charged he should be able to resume his livelihood. 

 

Many others who have done much worse got second chances. I'm not willing to incriminate Hunt on the tape alone. The tape doesn't tell what led up to it. I presume Hunt didn't just walk up to her and strike her for sport. 

 

The NFL is not choirboy club. It is a violent sport played by men who have been told they're special from an early because of their athleticism.

 

Now do I think the Bills should run out and sign him? I don't think that Hunt is a special talent and I don't know that our organization needs the distraction. 

 

I refuse to join the outrage based on what I've seen.