Anonymous Poll: Would you support a Bills waiver claim for Kareem Hunt?

[Buffalo_Gal]

This may be in the other thread, I have not waded back in there this morning. It does fit this thread too, however, maybe even better (from the Kansas City Star newspaper). 
 

Chiefs’ Kareem Hunt is unemployed ... but not for his violence against a woman
 

One bit of logistics before we proceed. The Chiefs, according to a source, knew immediately upon seeing the video that Hunt would never play for them again. They waited until the NFL put him on the Commissioner Exempt List to ensure he wouldn’t play against them this season.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

That new league should try and get Hunt. That AAF. Their whole thing is giving people another chance to continue their professional playing career. They need a few names to get it off the ground. They should be begging Kap and Tebow as well

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

Get a grip man. Was simply pointing this out from the standpoint of the mandatory 6 game suspension I have seen many people talk about. But to answer your question honestly, it would depend on what the situation is.

If my female family member is out having drinks at a hotel party and gets belligerent, call a guys girlfriend a B word, swings on her, spits in her boyfirends face call him a n*****, and walks out of there with no injuries. I'd say what happened to her wasn't so bad.  AGAIN, the way he handled it was not right, but it's amazing how the female's behavior is TOTALLY disregarded in being the complete catalyst to this situation. 

 

Women who behave like this toward police officers learn really quick their genitalia wont save them. But somehow an intoxicated man is scum of the earth because he makes a mistake. Show me Hunt has some history of violence towards women or even violence period. There are too many hypocrites chiming in to even count. Again, if your worst moment in life was caught on tape, odds are you'd be considered a scumbag by the general public as well. Does that make it true though?!?

Hunts entourage made claims that’s how it went down in terms of her using the n word, but that’s a he said she said, and believe what ever you want about what I’m about to say, but my worst moments in my life have never involved striking a female. My point is simply that there are some things you never do, and unless it’s a matter of life and death (she pulled a gun or knife on him) which this was not, it’s never ok to do what he did, period. I get you want to dress it up in the cloak of the nfl’s conduct policy and whatever suspensions come with that and that should be the end of it,  but I have no respect for him and the fact that you have spent so much of your time defending Hunt’s indefensible conduct against a 19 yr old woman, means it’s pointless to try to convince you of just how untenable him coming to Buffalo should be. I’m done with this. 

[Herc11]

Just posing a question... what's morally worse? Brutally torturing and killing dogs for entertainment or what Hunt was caught doing?

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

Just posing a question... what's morally worse? Brutally torturing and killing dogs for entertainment or what Hunt was caught doing?

 

No question what Vick did. That was my biggest fear when we hired Rex, that Vick would end up on the team. Not sure I could have gone on supporting the Bills if that happened.

[MAJBobby]

Nope. 

 

I can tolerate alot but you hit a woman and you deserve to ROT 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Nope. 

 

I can tolerate alot but you hit a woman and you deserve to ROT 

 

I’ve already said I wouldn’t sign Hunt if I were Buffalo but he didn’t hit her... not sure what video you watched. 

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I’ve already said I wouldn’t sign Hunt if I were Buffalo but he didn’t hit her... not sure what video you watched. 

 

Easy the first 15 seconds of the video is all you need to see him lay his hands on a woman. So yeah he should ROT 

 

video is pretty clear of him agressively laying his hands on a woman and would have been alot worse without the people there because he kept going back at her what a coward 

Edited December 1, 2018 by MAJBobby

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...NEVER should have lied to the Chiefs.....tell the truth and get a one or two game "conduct detrimental" team suspension.....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

8 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Just curious. Why would him attending a program make you feel better? 

 

It would depend for me: is he forced to take some kind of anger management/situational coaching program or is he open to doing it?

 

A lot of these guys grow up around violence.  Their neighborhoods are full of it, their families are full of it.  They don't know any way to resolve any conflicts without muscle.

 

Ever read the book "Hillbilly Elegy"?   The author becomes a success by any measure - Marine, honorable discharge, graduates from Ohio State University and then Yale Law School, marries a fellow law student.  He's made it.  Life is great.  And then, tucked into the end as an afterthought, he reveals to the reader that the counterproductive and destructive ways of solving problems and handling relationships that he learned as a child have followed him into his successful life, and he needs to put serious work into changing his ways.

My guess is that's probably where Hunt is.  In his home, likely you didn't call police or hotel security to solve your problems or ask the concierge to call a cab for someone you want to get rid of and give them $40 to cover it.  And yes, if you let a woman "disrespect" you by shoving or slapping at you, you're seen as "whipped" and weak.  So better, less violent ways of dealing with a problem aren't in his vocabulary or the vocabularies of his 'entourage'.

I don't think one incident makes a guy an irreclaimable pariah.  The question is just where he sees himself.

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Easy the first 15 seconds of the video is all you need to see him lay his hands on a woman. So yeah he should ROT 

 

video is pretty clear of him agressively laying his hands on a woman and would have been alot worse without the people there because he kept going back at her what a coward 

 

Ok, well you said he hit her.  He did not.  

 

I agree that he shoudlve walked away and there should be consequences for his actions.  

 

As for “rotting”.  Lol ok.  Sureeee. 

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

Do feminists think....

 

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Edited December 1, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
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[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Ok, well you said he hit her.  He did not.  

 

I agree that he shoudlve walked away and there should be consequences for his actions.  

 

As for “rotting”.  Lol ok.  Sureeee. 

 

So playing semantics I see. Well lets use the Legal Term then. 

 

Physically Assaulted a woman. There better. 

 

He wont rot I get it why because of Morally reprehensible teams like Washington. 

 

Physically Assualt a woman is OK. But ***** dont kneel for the anthem 

Edited December 1, 2018 by MAJBobby

[Bookie Man]

I think he will definitely be picked up by someone and play again. This isn't like Ray Rice, where he knocked a girl out cold and dragged her from the elevator. And Ray was at the end of career and not very good at that point. Not worth the risk / reward for any team. Have you seen the video of the Joe Mixon right hook to a girls face? It's 10x more violent. He gets drafted in the 2nd round. Nobody even talks about that incident or even cares it seems. He's on one my ff squads lol. So yeah I think Hunt will 100% play in the NFL again. Would I take him on Buffalo? Would you guys be as upset if the Bills traded for Mixon for a 6th rounder? People would probably be cartwheeling that we fleeced Cincy in the trade. Kareem will land somewhere and next season this will seem like an afterthought. Not defending the situation, that's just what I think will happen. 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

So playing semantics I see. Well lets use the Legal Term then. 

 

Physically Assaulted a woman. There better. 

 

He wont rot I get it why because of Morally reprehensible teams like Washington. 

 

Physically Assualt a woman is OK. But ***** dont kneel for the anthem 

 

I don’t think everyone needs to be so simplistic about this.  

 

You can feel Kareem Hunt deserves the consequences coming his way and also believe that there is a big issue with how some women are entrapping/instigating young men with fame/money.  

[TheElectricCompany]

He'll play again, no doubt. 

He's talented enough for NFL teams to overlook the incident. 

I don't expect the Bills to go after him, but stranger things have happened. There has been no shortage of smoke around Shady lately. 

 

On a side note, I don't know why these star athletes allow their crew to have cameras when they go out. Seriously. Go rent out a bar, arrange transportation there, hire security, allow no cameras and random ass people to show up,  have a good time, arrange transportation home, repeat. 

Edited December 1, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[Tenhigh]

6 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

NO!

 

You never hit a women....ever.

 

 

What if she's stabbing a baby?

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

I don’t think everyone needs to be so simplistic about this.  

 

You can feel Kareem Hunt deserves the consequences coming his way and also believe that there is a big issue with how some women are entrapping/instigating young men with fame/money.  

 

Did he need to come out of his room?  Was there no phone for calling security? Did he need to physically assault a female? 

 

See thats the problems people want to make excuses for these adults. Happens their entire life. So again it is OK to leave your room and physically assualt a female I guess. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I don’t think everyone needs to be so simplistic about this.  

 

You can feel Kareem Hunt deserves the consequences coming his way and also believe that there is a big issue with how some women are entrapping/instigating young men with fame/money.  

 

With respect, it's not limited to women.  As soon as someone is known to have money, there's no shortage of folks willing to help them spend it  - not just women, but "investment advisors", friends and relatives who need a little help "just this once" with the rent, teammates who show them how to "live the lifestyle" getting expensive manicures and haircuts, pals who expect them to foot the tab for "a night out" and a great party.

 

IMHO, the women are probably the least of the problems these guys face.

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

Pick him up and trade Shady to the Chiefs. 

[Pete]

Would you want to add Hunt to community?  Chasing your daughters?  I respect the process.  You can win with character 

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Did he need to come out of his room?  Was there no phone for calling security? Did he need to physically assault a female? 

 

See thats the problems people want to make excuses for these adults. Happens their entire life. So again it is OK to leave your room and physically assualt a female I guess. 

 

No, a problem would be you intentionally misrepresenting words when I continuously say he should face consequences....so CLEARLY I do not feel it’s ok.   

 

I do feel theres a secondary issue here that people are finally starting to address, and that is the actions of certain types of women who feel they can do/say whatever they want because society has protected them.   This usually involves men with something to lose and women, conversely, with nothing to lose. 

 

....and as hapless pointed out, investment advisors, “friends” etc..  Definitely not just limited to thirst traps. 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2018 by SCBills

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Did he need to come out of his room?  Was there no phone for calling security? Did he need to physically assault a female? 

 

See thats the problems people want to make excuses for these adults. Happens their entire life. So again it is OK to leave your room and physically assualt a female I guess. 

 

No he didn't, yes there was, no he didn't.  And no it's not ok to physically assault a female (or a male guest, for that matter).

 

The point is, how do we learn these things aren't OK, or learn that the best route as a hotel guest is to stay in your room and call hotel security?  If Hunt is from a background where those solutions aren't part of his vocabulary, my point is that what he did is not so severe that he can't face some consequence and learn better ways.  I'm not excusing what he did, it's not OK, but it's not rape, murder, or violence with a lasting impact on the victim, either. 

 

I think that's the point that some folks on these threads are trying to articulate, and it's turning into a very polarized set of views where one either condemns Hunt unconditionally as irredeemable scum, or one is painted as condoning a woman-beater.

[YoloinOhio]

No, he’s a good RB but not so good that he’s not irreplaceable. Not worth it, draft one.

[RiotAct]

No.  We don’t need the circus that would surround such a move.

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No he didn't, yes there was, no he didn't.  And no it's not ok to physically assault a female (or a male guest, for that matter).

 

The point is, how do we learn these things aren't OK, or learn that the best route as a hotel guest is to stay in your room and call hotel security?  If Hunt is from a background where those solutions aren't part of his vocabulary, my point is that what he did is not so severe that he can't face some consequence and learn better ways.  I'm not excusing what he did, it's not OK, but it's not rape, murder, or violence with a lasting impact on the victim, either. 

 

I think that's the point that some folks on these threads are trying to articulate, and it's turning into a very polarized set of views where one either condemns Hunt unconditionally as irredeemable scum, or one is painted as condoning a woman-beater.

I get what you are saying. But let me ask you does he learn at all when another team just immediately re-employs him. 

 

Just get tired of the excuses made for these adults because they can run fast. Chiefs did the right thing. And I would be disgusted with my team if they claimed him. 

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

No, a problem would be you intentionally misrepresenting words when I continuously say he should face consequences....so CLEARLY I do not feel it’s ok.   

 

I do feel theres a secondary issue here that people are finally starting to address, and that is the actions of certain types of women who feel they can do/say whatever they want because society has protected them.   This usually involves men with something to lose and women, conversely, with nothing to lose. 

 

....and as hapless pointed out, investment advisors, “friends” etc..  Definitely not just limited to thirst traps. 

 

 

 

So essentially they are not smart enough to walk away I guess. Always have to be the Alpha Male 

[YoloinOhio]

The Bills have largely avoided criticism for keeping Shady after all the allegations he has had ... mainly due to lack of evidence but there was the video with him fighting the off duty cops. But lots of accusations thrown out a lot him over the years about women, kid, dog abuse... just saying, they’ve stood by him and wouldn’t expect them to pick up another guy with actual evidence of this 

[whatdrought]

the biggest barrier to Hunt getting a second chance is that running back is still a less valuable position. 

 

Would yoy you rather have a guy who is going to alienate members of the fanbase, or a Nick Chubb in the second round? 

 

Good QB’s rarely get into off-field trouble, but if they did there would be more openness to giving them another shot- it’s a business issue- risk v. reward. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

the biggest barrier to Hunt getting a second chance is that running back is still a less valuable position. 

 

Would yoy you rather have a guy who is going to alienate members of the fanbase, or a Nick Chubb in the second round? 

 

Good QB’s rarely get into off-field trouble, but if they did there would be more openness to giving them another shot- it’s a business issue- risk v. reward. 

Yep I was thinking what they would do if that were Mahomes.... no way would they release him imo

[whatdrought]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Yep I was thinking what they would do if that were Mahomes.... no way would they release him imo

 

Seems unlikely. Which, I’m sure some people would say that isn’t fair, but it really is a business first.

 

I can justify keeping a headache if he makes me money/suceeds. I have less patience for less valuable assets. Reminds me of the Kap situation. 

[BurpleBull]

6 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

What if it's just one?

 

Lol

[BurpleBull]

9 hours ago, StHustle said:

Mods, please allow this to stand as it's own thread.

It's a known fact many teams would steer clear from signing a guy in Hunt's situation due to the public backlash.

I am HIGHLY interested, and Im sure others are too, how Bills fans would receive such a move. I can't get this data from the other thread. 

 

Hunt will likely receive 6 or more games. THIS WAS NOT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE and doesnt fall under the 6 game mandatory suspension policy however with the video being out there I can't see them doing anything less. With that said I fully expect Hunt to be on the field some time next year. A team who wins a waiver wire claim would have his rights.

Personally, after watching the video and going off other things Ive heard, I dont think what has happened makes this guy a scum bag. What he did was wrong but I believe many are extremely overreacting when it comes to judging this guys entire existence. There are many aspects to this story that would cause almost anybody who has been drinking to become enraged. He clearly showed restraint and didnt even injure the woman at all.

With that said I would 100% support claiming this guy. Wouldn't be mad at all and in fact would be THRILLED if we won the claim. I doubt we would win though as I feel confident the Raiders will claim him.

 

Couldn't see the Raiders claiming Hunt with Gruden in charge.

 

He barely spoke to Khalil Mack and was willing to part ways with an All-Pro with no character issues...and then there was the distraction in Marques King, who we also know he didn't care for.

[skibum]

Hard no.

 

What is wrong with you people? He started a fight with a woman, threw her to the ground, then kicked her when she was down. It's on video for all to see (not alleged, but proven). Does it matter at this point how good he is at football? 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Just an impression (I may very well be wrong): he's clearly prone to domestic violence but in looking at his picture in today's newspaper, he appears to possibly be a drug user as well (very sleepy/hazy eyes).  Aside from all that, he's/was a tremendous football player.

[PrimeTime101]

9 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I would feel more comfortable because that would be him at least taking some responsibility for his actions and working to resolve whatever problems he has that lead him to this point. I'd prefer that to him just ending up on the team like he didn't do anything wrong.

BS The program does not change the person. He has to want to change and if you think by him attending some program will help him because it was mandated to him to attend then your highly mistaken. 

 

His recent actions dictate he is not ready to make that change for himself. no.

[TC in St. Louis]

People make mistakes.  To err is human; to forgive, divine.  I hope he gets another chance, but it cannot be in Buffalo.  We're trying to build a culture here.  

 

[LABILLBACKER]

No, you can find very good serviceable RBs from the 2nd-6th rounds. 

[BringBackOrton]

11 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

No, you can find very good serviceable RBs from the 2nd-6th rounds. 

Like Jonathan Williams and Karlos Williams. Two of the longest tenured serviceable Bills backs in history.

21 minutes ago, skibum said:

Hard no.

 

What is wrong with you people? He started a fight with a woman, threw her to the ground, then kicked her when she was down. It's on video for all to see (not alleged, but proven). Does it matter at this point how good he is at football? 

You would watch either way.

[jrober38]

4 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

Some time ago, i passed the point of caring what players do off the field.  Especially the nfl.  Im sure i have breaking points, but this isnt it.  If they are on the bills, just concerned about avoiding jail time and suspension(s).  

 

These are young men, prime physical specimens for our species, often taken out of tough upbringings, walked through "college" where they are kings, then given unimaginable amounts of money.  Very attractive to women, and have grown accustomed to getting what they want.  All in a world where everyone has a supercomputer in their pocket with an hd camera connected to social media and lawyers circling above.

 

To me, from what is seen in the video, its 95% show by Hunt, being young and very reckless.  Made a very bad choice.  He deserves another chance imo (also a suspension).  He says sorry, does some appearances, and is on watch by the nfl (who advises him to employ a handler).

 

I found you cant be moral police and an nfl fan without painting yourself into a corner.  There are bad guys that appear on every team, and the nfl's first instinct is to hide things.  

 

It is also probably worse punishment to play in the games snd get your bell rung a bunch of times

 

 

 

With that said, i dont see kim pegula signing off on this

 

I disagree.

 

What would have happened if there were no witnesses?

 

What would have happened if there weren't two men and a woman holding him back throughout his attempt to attack the woman?

 

Hunt was completely out of control, and only stopped from doing major physical harm by the fact that his entourage did what they could to prevent the attack. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

No, a problem would be you intentionally misrepresenting words when I continuously say he should face consequences....so CLEARLY I do not feel it’s ok.   

 

I do feel theres a secondary issue here that people are finally starting to address, and that is the actions of certain types of women who feel they can do/say whatever they want because society has protected them.   This usually involves men with something to lose and women, conversely, with nothing to lose. 

 

....and as hapless pointed out, investment advisors, “friends” etc..  Definitely not just limited to thirst traps. 

 

 

 

This ^