SoCal Deek Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Having seen Nates face on the sideline last Sunday, I’m thinking he went into the coach’s office and said please don’t “put me out there again”! Whatever confidence he had is totally shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I hope McDermott realizes he can't go back. The Peterman era lasted 2 quarters. Unless Allen gets killed we should not see Peterman again. This year will test Josh's toughness. He's a large frame farm boy, so he should be able to handle it, but it won't take long to see. I am a little concerned that he's not afraid to get hit at all. Don't get me wrong, I love that about him, but it could be a killer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Mrbojanglezs said: so if he struggles will Bills fans give up on him after 1 game, my guess is yes. I don’t care if he struggles, the concern is he never develops good habits because he is too busy running for his life and getting crushed. This is incompetent management of a coveted asset. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistingBot Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: so if he struggles will Bills fans give up on him after 1 game, my guess is yes. Peterman has turned in some of the worst QB performances in modern football history. I think the bar for Allen is pretty low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, cv05 said: I understand all of the arguments for and against starting Allen. I understand wanting to get him experience, but also avoid starting him for sake of his mental stability behind this awful line. What I don't understand is how its all actually gone down with this coaching staff. How can you come to the conclusion, after months of training camp, practices and pre-season that you want to start Peterman, and then after 1 half change your mind? How could an NFL coaching staff paid millions of dollars be so wrong about the analysis of how it was going to go. Of course the line will be awful when 3/5 (or arguably 2/5) of your has retired/been traded and yet nothing has been done to remedy. They had to have known "this is going to be bad". Now, if they made the decision off the get go to say, "let's see what Allen can do with this" I'm all for it. But they didn't - they clearly had a plan to protect him. Now, as a knee jerk reaction they change their mind? I'm sorry but that just speaks volumes of poor planning and being completely overwhelmed. McDermott and company stumbled into the playoffs last year and I really don't think they'll experience that "success" again. I think Peterman in practice and preseason is a completely different player than in regular season. Peterman's abysmal game Sunday forced the Bill's hand on moving to Allen. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Peterman is that guy who absolutely crushes it on the driving range, but has a 42 handicap. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: If Daboll is a good OC, I would limit Josh to about 25 attempts: McCoy gets a healthy load of carries, and Ivory in the mix too. Scale the playbook down a little, get Josh into a rhythm Check. Agree. Lets hope in the mean time the O line can keep the wolves at bey long enough for his reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Why is this hard to understand? The staff was hoping they could limp along with Peterman for as long as he didn’t embarrass the team, the franchise and the coaches. It lasted WAY less than time then they hoped. But....he may be back. They’ll use the measuring stick with Allen. (It’s going to be a long ugly season!) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Nate could not survive another debacle against the Chargers, and what kind of game would he have with "dont throw a pick / dont throw a pick / dont throw a pick / dont throw a pick" running around his brain all day, anyways? He still has to be a ready backup, needed to be saved from himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: I think Peterman in practice and preseason is a completely different player than in regular season. Peterman's abysmal game Sunday forced the Bill's hand on moving to Allen. I agree with this. Hes just has no comfort during live games. Not having an Oline doesnt help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEE1 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 No matter who they start they still have to simplify the offense. I see this going down only 1 of 2 ways. Either JA will bang and slowly become the QB I think we all agree he could possibly be. Or the best QB prospect we’ve had in years will get chewed up with the speed of this game and we’ll never see his full potential. I don’t see ant middle ground here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Who Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: I don’t care if he struggles, the concern is he never develops good habits because he is too busy running for his life and getting crushed. This is incompetent management of a coveted asset. They've put themselves in a position where there's really no choice. I hope Allen is good enough and fortunate enough to thrive, but I do believe there's incompetence involved here. At minimum, they knew far enough ahead of time that o-line was a problem and did nothing but acquire bad players. Trading McCarron looks pretty stupid right now. Don't know why a vet like Moore or Anderson hasn't been brought in to at least mentor your prize rookie. Edited September 12, 2018 by Dr. Who 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 57 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Bills are going to have to be patient on this one. A rookie qb with great raw talent who needs developement surrounded by marginal talent. Gonna be a real test of Allens mental toughness. Let the unintentional tank begin. 3-13 here we come. Three wins? I can’t find three Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Josh will start per McDermott. "It's the right move for our team" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv05 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Fair enough, but then why not keep Allen as a last resort? Why trade McCarron? Allen, is going to get demolished behind this line - I think they had to have known going into this that it was going to end badly for whoever is in at quarterback. You could put Tom Brady out there and he would look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Confirmed in McD's presser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MILFHUNTER#518 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I would LOVE to see Bucky and Jerry in this presser LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I'm so tired of hearing about this "awful line". Look around the league people - almost everyone's line is bad. Did you see Watson on Sunday? Line play is at an all time worst league wide. It's not something that can be fixed this year. And probably only something that can be upgraded minimally next season. Kid's gonna have to learn to overcome it. If we keep him on ice until the line is sufficient for all of you - he'll never see the field. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I think part of the problem is that our defense has regressed and also isn't very good. These guys are also being evaluated in practice. They probably looks competent in practice due to the defense not being very good. And to be fair, Peterman did look much improved in the pre-season. I was surprised at how bad he played in the opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Confirmed: I will have no finger nails by end of this Sunday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Thanks for playing Nate. Don Pardo has some nice partings gifts for you on the way out the door. Nate, you've won a year's supply of Snickers bars. Packed with peanuts, Snickers really satisfies. And, Rice-a-roni, the San Francisco treat. And from the makers of Johnson's Wax comes Turtle Wax, for that hard shell finish. And Jello instant pudding, made with your own milk so you know it's wholesome. Back to you, Johnny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 This is a good move. We don't know if it will workout for Josh but the way they handled this is better for Josh. The players will not think to bench Josh if he struggles because they know Peterman isn't good. If they started Josh game one and he struggled they'd always have to answer for Peterman being on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: I'm so tired of hearing about this "awful line". Look around the league people - almost everyone's line is bad. Did you see Watson on Sunday? Line play is at an all time worst league wide. It's not something that can be fixed this year. And probably only something that can be upgraded minimally next season. Kid's gonna have to learn to overcome it. If we keep him on ice until the line is sufficient for all of you - he'll never see the field. Everyone needs to step up..its not just the line. Recievers need to catch ball and Daboll needs to come up with a gameplan knowing the teams weaknesses and how to get the most out of what hes got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Logic? I believe it was based on pure human emotions, Captain. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: I think Peterman in practice and preseason is a completely different player than in regular season. Peterman's abysmal game Sunday forced the Bill's hand on moving to Allen. True but don't you think the coaching staff should have anticipated that? I did and I am a just a fan. Peterman looks descent when there is no pressure, no game planning, no blitzing. Put some heat on the guy and game plan for him and he is a complete joke. He has MASSIVE limitations. It stuns me that Mcd and Daboll could not recognize that, and picked him to start based on meaningless pre season games Edited September 12, 2018 by billsfan11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, cv05 said: I understand all of the arguments for and against starting Allen. I understand wanting to get him experience, but also avoid starting him for sake of his mental stability behind this awful line. What I don't understand is how its all actually gone down with this coaching staff. How can you come to the conclusion, after months of training camp, practices and pre-season that you want to start Peterman, and then after 1 half change your mind? How could an NFL coaching staff paid millions of dollars be so wrong about the analysis of how it was going to go. Of course the line will be awful when 3/5 (or arguably 2/5) of your has retired/been traded and yet nothing has been done to remedy. They had to have known "this is going to be bad". Now, if they made the decision off the get go to say, "let's see what Allen can do with this" I'm all for it. But they didn't - they clearly had a plan to protect him. Now, as a knee jerk reaction they change their mind? I'm sorry but that just speaks volumes of poor planning and being completely overwhelmed. McDermott and company stumbled into the playoffs last year and I really don't think they'll experience that "success" again. Nate's got only limited experience in actual games but there is a pattern that's formed which is he underperforms. He might be great in the coaches room, in practice and in pre-season but that has not translated into game performances. Seems to me that Nate earned his start last week and also earned his way to the bench. Allen will be harder for the Chargers to defend. He's a threat to run, he can and probably will sling it deep and he can extend plays better. I think we'll see a whole new Bills team this weekend. Home crowd, good weather, new QB and a lot of attitude after last week's butt whoopin'. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Dak Wilson Dalton Flacco Eli Peyton Goff Ben Cam Luck Ryan Marino Aikman Wentz Stafford Carr ( the good one) Tannehill Alex Smith Cousins Culter i guess they don’t all turn into pumpkins... I bet he's actually called that at family dinners "Hey Carr the good one, pass the potatoes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I don’t think the coaches were expecting peterman to get through the season. I believe their plan was to get through the first quarter maybe half a season tops then play Allen. I don’t think they envisioned not getting a first down and having 2 turnovers in the first half. Some of this is on the OC, wide receivers, oline as well. As much as everyone wants to hate on peterman that was a full team effort at sucking against one of the best defenses in the league on the road in poor conditions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'm so tired of hearing about this "awful line". Look around the league people - almost everyone's line is bad. Did you see Watson on Sunday? Line play is at an all time worst league wide. It's not something that can be fixed this year. And probably only something that can be upgraded minimally next season. Kid's gonna have to learn to overcome it. If we keep him on ice until the line is sufficient for all of you - he'll never see the field. Right on! Coaches will have to scheme correctly, move the pocket, teach him to give up on failed plays so he can get to next one, throw ball away, slide and step out even for a loss. Most importantly stick to game plan regardless of score to allow for development. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, twist_to_open said: I bet he's actually called that at family dinners "Hey Carr the good one, pass the potatoes" Derrick and David are so close it’s realky the best way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Can’t understand the QB logic? Rewatch the LAC last year and Ravens game this past Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, cv05 said: I understand all of the arguments for and against starting Allen. I understand wanting to get him experience, but also avoid starting him for sake of his mental stability behind this awful line. What I don't understand is how its all actually gone down with this coaching staff. How can you come to the conclusion, after months of training camp, practices and pre-season that you want to start Peterman, and then after 1 half change your mind? How could an NFL coaching staff paid millions of dollars be so wrong about the analysis of how it was going to go. Of course the line will be awful when 3/5 (or arguably 2/5) of your has retired/been traded and yet nothing has been done to remedy. They had to have known "this is going to be bad". Now, if they made the decision off the get go to say, "let's see what Allen can do with this" I'm all for it. But they didn't - they clearly had a plan to protect him. Now, as a knee jerk reaction they change their mind? I'm sorry but that just speaks volumes of poor planning and being completely overwhelmed. McDermott and company stumbled into the playoffs last year and I really don't think they'll experience that "success" again. The plan was to ease Allen into the starting role. They were hoping Peterman could be a placeholder until later on this season, but Allen was ALWAYS going to be the starter. You don't trade up to number 7 to get a guy and then sit him. Peterman looked good in training camp and in pre-season, but once again, failed miserably when it counted. Some guys are just good practice players, but can't handle the pressure when it's game on for real. Peterman appears to be one of those. At this point they seem to realize that Peterman is not capable of holding down the fort. It's really that simple IMO. Doesn't indicate any flaws with the coaching staff. The flaw is with Peterman. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: Ahh, how soon we all forget that Cincy game in which Allen was under such heavy pressure he went 6 of 12 for only 34 yards and was sacked 5 times IN THE FIRST HALF! He was sacked for more yards then he threw for... I hope Allen sits until Pickerman throws his picks and then Allen comes n. Yeah.. because he definitely didn't learn anything from that game that will help him improve in the future.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000951742/article/bills-josh-allen-blames-self-for-five-sacks-vs-bengals Edited September 12, 2018 by Nihilarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 56 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Projected statline: 15-36-178-1-3, 7sacks As bad as that is, it's a huge upgrade over Peterman. I'll go: 18-30, 247, 2TD's 1 pick, 3 sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisker A Tasker Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Its pretty simple. He was really bad. Like, all-time bad. You bench someone who performs that poorly. Its quite logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, xsoldier54 said: The plan was to ease Allen into the starting role. They were hoping Peterman could be a placeholder until later on this season, but Allen was ALWAYS going to be the starter. You don't trade up to number 7 to get a guy and then sit him. Peterman looked good in training camp and in pre-season, but once again, failed miserably when it counted. Some guys are just good practice players, but can't handle the pressure when it's game on for real. Peterman appears to be one of those. At this point they seem to realize that Peterman is not capable of holding down the fort. It's really that simple IMO. Doesn't indicate any flaws with the coaching staff. The flaw is with Peterman. Very good analysis. For those thinking that this wasn't coach's decision...he said the final decision is his when it comes to who plays. I think it's more like what some other posters have said. He made a decision to start Peterman and develop Josh slowly and it didn't work out. Unfortunately the results were more than losing a game. It was losing in the most embarassing way possible. So...he has to live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Curt said: The Bills didn't want to start Allen so early but by trading McCarron for a freaking 5th round pick they put themselves in that position. right, wtf? to keep who? Washington, Foster? That 5th is worthless right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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