NFL Mock has Bills take edge at 28

[mrags]

5 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

I think they should reach for a bust WR just to please the fans. 
 

It’s smart you’ve made up your mind. It’s good to let that rage simmer for a while. 

I’m sure McBeane will be happy your sticking up for them in this time of need 

[Bill from NYC]

8 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

I think they should reach for a bust WR just to please the fans. 
 

Nah, McDermott saves that strategy for cornerbacks.

[mannc]

10 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

I think they should reach for a bust WR just to please the fans. 
 

 

WR probably the lowest bust rate of any position in the draft...

[Success]

7 minutes ago, mrags said:

Ok. Keep thinking that. McDefense will always get what he wants 

 

It's not something I'm thinking. This is a mock, and doesn't reflect Beane's plans one iota.

 

Beane has been a good drafter relative to the rest of the league.  We went O w/ the 1st 2 picks last year, so I don't see the argument that they focus on D too much.

 

[Beast]

59 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Terry pounding the table for Penn State guy..

How many Penn State guys have the Bills selected since Pegula took over?

[NewEra]

I figured his combine would flood the board with Maybin comparisons.

 

i could see him being the pick.  I prefer WR but if the guys we view as 1st rd talents are gone, it makes sense

[SCBills]

After the McDuffie/Elam draft, I’m completely fine with them going BPA at a position of need. 
 

I hope it’s WR, but if we have a similar run on the position like last year before we can get in a position to take one, I’m not going to freak out. 
 

I do have to admit however, im starting to wonder about how important EDGE is when the officiating very clearly allows more holding in the playoffs. 
 

Powerful DT’s can disrupt even when held by collapsing the pocket up the middle. 
 

Just a concern I’m beginning to have about positional importance if we take a guy like Chop Robinson at 28. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Guess this means we’re not Worthy

[No_Matter_What]

You mean a WR who gives us edge?

 

Sign me up!

[hjnick]

1 hour ago, sunshynman said:

28. Buffalo Bills: Chop Robinson, DE, Penn State©Dan Rainville / USA Today Sports Images

An edge rusher is high on Buffalo's wish list with the potential departures of Leonard Floyd and A.J. Epenesa. Robinson fits the mold as long, projectable edge rusher.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/2024-nfl-first-round-mock-draft-qbs-taken-1-2-3/ss-BB1jahr8?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=627f19398216428cac2edbfc91bf7623&ei=24#image=29

 

DE's before 18:

8. Atlanta Falcons: Dallas Turner, DE, Alabama

11. Minnesota Vikings: Laiatu Latu, DE, UCLA

15. Indianapolis Colts: Jared Verse, DE, Florida State

 

 

5 WR taken before 28:

4. Arizona Cardinals: Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State

6. New York Giants: Malik Nabers, WR, LSU

14. New Orleans Saints: Rome Odunze, WR, Washington

17. Jacksonville Jaguars: Brian Thomas Jr., WR, LSU

26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State

Go up to 16 and get Brian Thomas.  Dude is a freaking monster...

[OldTimer1960]

54 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I think he’ll be a good player, but considering how much money and resources we already have tied up in the D-line I’m really not sure it’s the best position to draft w/ the 1st pick plus the fact that it’s a rotation so he wouldn’t see much time on the field anyway. If it’s anything other than a WR, I will be disappointed. If Beane is gonna go defense then get a premium safety or even a CB if the value is there. Josh needs weapons and somebody is going to need to replace Davis. 

I don’t think it’s prudent to count Von Miller $ in the discussion of tied up resources.  They are stuck with him due to his injury.  Wish it weren’t the case, but if he doesn’t improve over last year’s performance, they have to have someone to play there.

 

I get the concept of resource allocation, but I think Miller’s situation falls outside of that general concept.

[mrags]

28 minutes ago, Success said:

 

It's not something I'm thinking. This is a mock, and doesn't reflect Beane's plans one iota.

 

Beane has been a good drafter relative to the rest of the league.  We went O w/ the 1st 2 picks last year, so I don't see the argument that they focus on D too much.

 

Like I said when I started. My opinion is that they will go extremely defense heavy. Including passing up on multiple WRs in the first 2-3 rounds. Only to find another Gabe Davis (good enough for now) player. I guess we’ll see in a few months 

[OldTimer1960]

51 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

100% agree.

I'd rather trade out of the bottom of the first round and get an extra day 2 pick.

I dont care about the 5th year option now. 

Allen's best years will be gone in 5 years. 

Need cheap talent infusion now. 

Probably aren’t getting an extra day 2 pick for trading out of 28 unless they move pretty far down.

8 minutes ago, hjnick said:

Go up to 16 and get Brian Thomas.  Dude is a freaking monster...

Sounds simple and cheap - getter done!

[nedboy7]

35 minutes ago, mannc said:

WR probably the lowest bust rate of any position in the draft...

From an AllPro stand it’s the 3rd highest after QB and TE. 
from a pro-bowl stand it’s the highest. 
although the article is from 2015. So perhaps things have shifted. 

[GoBills808]

34 minutes ago, Success said:

 

It's not something I'm thinking. This is a mock, and doesn't reflect Beane's plans one iota.

 

Beane has been a good drafter relative to the rest of the league.  We went O w/ the 1st 2 picks last year, so I don't see the argument that they focus on D too much.

 

if you calculate the draft value of each of their picks they spend significantly more draft capital on average per defensive pick than per offensive pick

[BuffaloRebound]

33 minutes ago, SCBills said:

After the McDuffie/Elam draft, I’m completely fine with them going BPA at a position of need. 
 

I hope it’s WR, but if we have a similar run on the position like last year before we can get in a position to take one, I’m not going to freak out. 
 

I do have to admit however, im starting to wonder about how important EDGE is when the officiating very clearly allows more holding in the playoffs. 
 

Powerful DT’s can disrupt even when held by collapsing the pocket up the middle. 
 

Just a concern I’m beginning to have about positional importance if we take a guy like Chop Robinson at 28. 

This is a great point.  In addition, with all the QB injuries the competition committee is talking about altering grounding rules to allow QB’s to throw it away even when they’re in the pocket.  That would make high sack edge rushers less valuable.  

[WeckMonster]

1 hour ago, dpberr said:

James Franklin's program at Penn State is underwhelming and unfortunately, so are most of his draft eligible players.  

 

There's no production in college from this player, and he's not a 1st round selection. His sacks came against the cream puffs on Penn State's schedule.  Of his four sacks in 2023, two came against the juggernaut University of Massachusetts in an October 63-0 blitzing.  One against Rutgers, one against Iowa.

 

He had no stats in the 2023 games against Ohio State or Michigan.  

You obviously haven’t watched him play… which is fine.

 

Chop was a total game wrecker. He’s a blur off the edge with great bend.

 

teams schemed against him big time and he missed OSU with a concussion on first series and missed a few games after that. UM abandoned passing after scoring first bc the PSU offense was garbage.

 

You also have the college dynamic where he was sitting a bunch of 2nd half’s bc they were up by a ton and they rotated younger DEs.

[Don Otreply]

Its the gossip season, we will all see an endless stream of WAGs as to what every team in the league is supposedly going to do with there first pick, your and my guesses are just as likely to come to fruition as any of these “expert’s”

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

6 sacks in his college career, but some think he can be a "game changer"

Underwear olympics at it's finest

Sometimes talent evaluators fall in love with a player because of a single desirable trait. In this case an allegedly incredible first step. If that's all she wrote it won't be enough.

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

Here is a CBS Mock with a lot of trades that has the Bills taking Troy Franklin at 28. Do we like this one better? It has just as much value as the one the OP linked to. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-steelers-sign-kirk-cousins-and-raiders-add-russell-wilson-creating-fascinating-round-1/

 

Here is one from USA Today that has the Bills taking Coleman: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2024/02/28/nfl-mock-draft-2024-qb-projections/72778490007/

 

Bucky Brooks has us taking Coleman too: https://www.nfl.com/news/bucky-brooks-2024-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-washington-takes-jayden-daniels-over-drake-maye-qb-to-denver

 

My point is that none of these mocks are worth getting worked up over. 

When your 1st pick in the draft is towards the bottom, it usually isn't.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Probably aren’t getting an extra day 2 pick for trading out of 28 unless they move pretty far down.

Sounds simple and cheap - getter done!

Draft chart says if you drop say 12 spots from 28 to 40, that is a net value of 160 points. 160 points is mid to late 3rd round pick. It can be done. Bills might need to kick in one of their late day 3 picks to make the math work. 

[2003Contenders]

Based on his impressive 40-time and explosive numbers in the cone drills at the combine this week, I highly doubt that Chop makes it anywhere close to 28.

[Aussie Joe]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

How many Penn State guys have the Bills selected since Pegula took over?

But how many mock drafts have they taken one.? 

[Freddie's Dead]

[gjv]

With the top 6 WRers off the board, I can understand players at other positions being higher on the Bills board. Chop might be that player.

[H2o]

He's basically Yannick Ngakoue without the production. We don't need a 6'3" 250lb DE with 11.5 sacks in 3 years. It would be a waste of a 1st round pick. Let someone else make that mistake. He's not Micah Parsons 2.0 like they're making him out to be. 

[WeckMonster]

44 minutes ago, H2o said:

He's basically Yannick Ngakoue without the production. We don't need a 6'3" 250lb DE with 11.5 sacks in 3 years. It would be a waste of a 1st round pick. Let someone else make that mistake. He's not Micah Parsons 2.0 like they're making him out to be. 

He won’t fall to us anyway. But you’re way off in your e v a l.

[RobbRiddick]

At this point the Bills picking D-line in the first round of the draft has the same effect on me as my kids buying me socks on my birthday. 

[JohnNord]

7 hours ago, sunshynman said:

28. Buffalo Bills: Chop Robinson, DE, Penn State©Dan Rainville / USA Today Sports Images

An edge rusher is high on Buffalo's wish list with the potential departures of Leonard Floyd and A.J. Epenesa. Robinson fits the mold as long, projectable edge rusher.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/2024-nfl-first-round-mock-draft-qbs-taken-1-2-3/ss-BB1jahr8?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=627f19398216428cac2edbfc91bf7623&ei=24#image=29

 

DE's before 18:

8. Atlanta Falcons: Dallas Turner, DE, Alabama

11. Minnesota Vikings: Laiatu Latu, DE, UCLA

15. Indianapolis Colts: Jared Verse, DE, Florida State

 

 

5 WR taken before 28:

4. Arizona Cardinals: Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State

6. New York Giants: Malik Nabers, WR, LSU

14. New Orleans Saints: Rome Odunze, WR, Washington

17. Jacksonville Jaguars: Brian Thomas Jr., WR, LSU

26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State

Unless Buffalo addresses WR in a big way, this is a bad move IMO.   It’s clear that the Bills need some major improvement on the outside

[BigDingus]

I will turn around & immediately jump out my window if we use another 1st on an Edge player.

 

Unfortunately, I won't fall far from the first floor, but at least I'll know the intent was to smash my head in frustration 😅

[dje85]

I;d be alright with the pick. Not ecstatic but at our pick in the draft the drop off between the 6-like 12th wr isn't so excessive I'm worried about getting a specific guy in the second. We wait until round 4 or 5 I'd be a little miffed but not going wr in the first unless a Brian Thomas or Odunze somehow magically fell wouldn't hurt my feelings. A lot of holes to fill going into free agency, obviously this changes if we fill most with quality players I don't want to draft a depth player over a starting wr that'd irk me. All that said I doubt Robinson falls to us anyways and we either go wr or take a dt or Cooper Dejuan for the safety position. 

[CNYfan]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:

At this point the Bills picking D-line in the first round of the draft has the same effect on me as my kids buying me socks on my birthday. 

Dumbledore always wanted a nice pair of warm socks

[Virgil]

Please no.  I know we needed lineman, but we have so much money in Von and Oliver, that I don't want to see another 1st round pick on a lineman yet.  Give Josh another weapon on offense, then you can go defensive for the rest of the draft.  I would like to see them draft a center than can replace Morse this year or next, but that's about it.

 

Get all the D-Lineman, Safeties, and DB's McD can handle in rounds 2-7

[Warriorspikes51]

Just cancel the draft if we go Edge / DE in Round 1

[H2o]

3 hours ago, WeckMonster said:

He won’t fall to us anyway. But you’re way off in your e v a l.

Again, he's another athlete without much to show for it on the field. He had 15 TOTAL tackles in 10 games with 4 whole sacks. Amazing. I don't care what Baldinger has to say about three highlights he pulled from a game against Iowa. Of course they aren't showing the tape where he's getting cleared out by the OL or taking himself out of plays. That's an easy pass. 

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

It’s ok because Kc will be more than happy to have a few choices on which Wr to pick from.

 

Is it not possible to find a decent  edge in round 2? 

 

 

The drop-off for edge is a lot sooner and more precipitous than the drop at WR this year.

 

A lot of good WRs deep this year. Edge not nearly so much.

[John from Riverside]

I just don’t see it
 

He doesn’t have the college production which has been something they have been looking for

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I just don’t see it
 

He doesn’t have the college production which has been something they have been looking for

 

Disagree. Their first round picks have generally been traits guys more than production. 

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Again, he's another athlete without much to show for it on the field. He had 15 TOTAL tackles in 10 games with 4 whole sacks. Amazing. I don't care what Baldinger has to say about three highlights he pulled from a game against Iowa. Of course they aren't showing the tape where he's getting cleared out by the OL or taking himself out of plays. That's an easy pass. 

 

 

It really isn't. 

 

It could very well be a pass. But it isn't easy.

 

IMO he's not the Bills type at edge, although his build is Vonnish. We tend to draft long guys who can play the run as well. Which does tend to leave us a team without pass-rushing freaks.

 

My guess is he's a part of the four to six guys they'd consider if they're not moving up or back. Maybe not, but maybe. But it's true he doesn't seem to be the type they take in the draft at edge.

 

But I disagree that he doesn't have much to show for all of this. Not many sacks. But a lot of pressures. That's not nothing or nothing much. It's a thing. I agree with you that I'd rather see more sacks. But if he had more sacks, we wouldn't be talking about him because he'd clearly be a top 10 or 15 guy. Guys who fall to the mid to late 20s have something wrong with them, some question or questions. It's the way it is.

[Westside]

8 hours ago, WeckMonster said:

He won’t fall to us anyway. But you’re way off in your e v a l.

He looks extremely small. Hard pass!