oldmanfan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Folks keep talking about Josh running out of time to win a championship. Here’s a link to ages of all SB winning QBs: Lots of older guys, some younger guys. I think the average age is around 31. So he’s got plenty of time. He will likely not be as much the runner, but that’s OK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I think some senior citizen got confused and wandered on to the Buccaneers and won it at a much older age than even 31. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 39 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I think some senior citizen got confused and wandered on to the Buccaneers and won it at a much older age than even 31. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 44 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Folks keep talking about Josh running out of time to win a championship. Here’s a link to ages of all SB winning QBs: Lots of older guys, some younger guys. I think the average age is around 31. So he’s got plenty of time. He will likely not be as much the runner, but that’s OK. Josh is 28 next season. Very few people on that list past 32 or 33. Very few. 4-5 years left to get it done sort of adds a bit more urgency dontcha think? 1 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 John Elway needed Terrell Davis. I like Cook but he's not someone defenses have to account for. We need a weapon at RB that motivates opponents to put 8 in the box 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Jim Kelly was 30 when he played in his first Super Bowl. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 It's his playing style, he can become more of a pocket passer as he ages, but what makes him Josh is his legs. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Josh will go down as a great QB regardless of whether he wins one or not. I really hope Josh gets one because 13 secs will always feel like a missed opportunity due to McChoke’s blunders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 32 minutes ago, fasteddie said: Jim Kelly was 30 when he played in his first Super Bowl. I honestly had no idea this was the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Earlier today, the following thought flashed through my mind: "We have Josh Allen." I didn't forget per se, but it was like realizing I had won the lottery. I'm incredibly optimistic about the Buffalo Bills, even if Allen "only has 5 more years". Go Bills. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) I would like to see “this” version of Josh win, not a crippled Payton Manning version with a broken neck that can only throw the ball 10 yards down the field. McD remembers that Payton Manning. He lost to him. Sad! Edited January 31 by Governor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Josh is good and will be good for a while But Somewhere on the way here the team has got to figure out that the only way we’re gonna win a Super Bowl is whenever the team around Josh Allen plays up to his level at least for three games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Since there is no rush to win, I think a good idea would be to have a couple of "raffles" each year, where the winner gets to call the plays for the game that week. This would give hundreds of thousands of people the chance live out their dream of coaching an NFL game. This seems much fairer than selfishly worrying about one guy winning a super bowl before he has reached the appropriate age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 51 minutes ago, stuvian said: John Elway needed Terrell Davis. I like Cook but he's not someone defenses have to account for. We need a weapon at RB that motivates opponents to put 8 in the box Why do you say that about Cook? Can you back it up at all? Edited January 31 by HardyBoy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: Josh is 28 next season. Very few people on that list past 32 or 33. Very few. 4-5 years left to get it done sort of adds a bit more urgency dontcha think? If Josh doesn’t win one in the next 4-5 years, this board will likely have exploded by then. So I agree with you, there is some urgency here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I guess the existential question is - aren’t we all?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: Why do you say that about Cook? Can you back it up at all? He averaged 66 yards a game on the ground. He's a good player just not a threat that opponents have to game plan for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) So the other day I was on Spotrac looking at some Bills contracts. Looked at Josh. Then the thought hit me. What if Josh gets Really frustrated here. He could force a trade out of here in 2026 when he's 30. Even easier the following year Edited January 31 by MarkyMannn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: So the other day I was on Spotrac looking at some Bills contracts. Looked at Josh. Then the thought hit me. What if Josh gets Really frustrated here. He could force a trade out of here in 2026 when he's 30. Even easier the following year I don’t know the circumstances that will lead to it but i’ve always thought he’d be playing for the 49ers or Rams by his early 30’s. But hey he’s gonna give it his all for the Bills in the prime years of his career, especially his running like a madman years. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, stuvian said: John Elway needed Terrell Davis. I like Cook but he's not someone defenses have to account for. We need a weapon at RB that motivates opponents to put 8 in the box Agree....Cook can have some good games but his inability to hold onto the ball is a huge problem. Between fumbles and dropped (4) tds, we'll see what improvement comes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, fasteddie said: Jim Kelly was 30 when he played in his first Super Bowl. Remind me again, how old was he when the Bills finally won one? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, stuvian said: He averaged 66 yards a game on the ground. He's a good player just not a threat that opponents have to game plan for. What on earth are you talking about?! He had a bit over 1,100 yards rushing and like 450 receiving...I'll help you do the math quick... 1,100 + 450 = 1,550 1,550 ÷ 17 = over 91 yards a game Teams were absolutely game planning for him, one of the opposing coaches called him the best Bills rb since Thurman Thomas. I'm just confused by this take, it's really confusing and just ignores reality. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 He will be 28 to kick off the year. i don’t think he will be a Brady or manning that’s still at a high level 10 years from now I suspect we have this year with McDermott and then if that doesn’t get it then one rebuild before he’s past his prime. And realistically, if that rebuild doesn’t hit in the first 2 (maaaaybe 3)years, I don’t like our odds. And that’s a real bummer to think about. Drives me nuts how many fans didn’t want to push the chips all in a few years back because they were scared of the cap. It’s just not that much more fun to predictably be eliminated a couple weeks later than the 20 years prior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, stuvian said: John Elway needed Terrell Davis. I like Cook but he's not someone defenses have to account for. We need a weapon at RB that motivates opponents to put 8 in the box Maybe in the 90's. Two elite WR weapons are way more important in today's NFL as far as winning a Super Bowl. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 So Mahomes will be done first. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, MarkyMannn said: So the other day I was on Spotrac looking at some Bills contracts. Looked at Josh. Then the thought hit me. What if Josh gets Really frustrated here. He could force a trade out of here in 2026 when he's 30. Even easier the following year unless Pegs is insane that would result in a new HC or whatever to make him happy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Maybe in the 90's. Two elite WR weapons are way more important in today's NFL as far as winning a Super Bowl. You also need a top 5 defense. If you look at the SB winners over the last 10-15 years, they all had top defenses except for KC and NE, and even they played like a top defenses during those runs. They improved drastically in the playoffs. Bucs were 1 both times Rams were 1 KC and SF this year 2&3 Philly (lost) but was still 1 Ravens were top 3 both Seahawks were 1 Denver(Manning) were 1 Giants were 1 or 2 Steelers were top 3 Colts (Manning) top 3? The narrative that you can win with the 12th or worse ranked defense has never been true. The defense can really be no worse than 7th and trending up to have a shot. Edited January 31 by Governor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BruceVilanch Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 6 hours ago, stuvian said: John Elway needed Terrell Davis. I like Cook but he's not someone defenses have to account for. We need a weapon at RB that motivates opponents to put 8 in the box I think he could be, he's only going into his third year as a pro and was top 5 (ish) in yards from scrimmage. If he works on catching the EASY touchdowns I think defenses will certainly key on him more. I was super encouraged by his and shakirs development, I also think Kincaid will give defenses problems. And to answer the OP, no I don't think Josh is running out of time. Go Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Josh takes so many hits and he isn’t effective as a pure pocket passer, hence the sped up timeline. So it’s not that he can’t win in his 30s but he’ll likely need much more help to win at that point. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 6 hours ago, fasteddie said: Jim Kelly was 30 when he played in his first Super Bowl. And we only got Kelly for 10 years due to his late start in the NFL. I think Brady and Rodgers have made a lot of people think having 20+ year careers and playing into your 40s is now going to become the norm for great QBs. Josh Allen will not be playing into his 40s. I’d bet the farm on that. We don’t know how many years he has left. So yeah, I’d say there is urgency. You only get so many swings at the can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I think the Bills should change coaches...but forgetting that for a minute....the Bills have put together 2 back to back really good draft classes, and even though they have some cap issues to work through this offseason, there is young talent in place. If the Bills can put together another good class, then the window remains wide open. Josh still has plenty of time, but with the cap hits now being big...the draft becomes more important. No reason to think Beane can't get another good class this year. Should be another good WR class. Bills also looking to be in good position to win the east again next year...Miami suffering from CAP issues AND their QB can't lift the play of others around him....he has to have elite WR's, brilliant playcalling etc to have a shot. Good teams are able to stop them. I think they take a step back. The Pats will suck again. And I don't think 41 year old Rodgers has enough left in the tank to make the Jets anything better than a fringe playoff team. The Bills will be right back knocking on the door again next year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 hours ago, Big Blitz said: So Mahomes will be done first. Got it. With how many titles is the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 12 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Folks keep talking about Josh running out of time to win a championship. Here’s a link to ages of all SB winning QBs: Lots of older guys, some younger guys. I think the average age is around 31. So he’s got plenty of time. He will likely not be as much the runner, but that’s OK. Much better odds once they replace McDermott, let's hope Terry does not wait too long. 4 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: I think the Bills should change coaches...but forgetting that for a minute....the Bills have put together 2 back to back really good draft classes, and even though they have some cap issues to work through this offseason, there is young talent in place. If the Bills can put together another good class, then the window remains wide open. Josh still has plenty of time, but with the cap hits now being big...the draft becomes more important. No reason to think Beane can't get another good class this year. Should be another good WR class. Bills also looking to be in good position to win the east again next year...Miami suffering from CAP issues AND their QB can't lift the play of others around him....he has to have elite WR's, brilliant playcalling etc to have a shot. Good teams are able to stop them. I think they take a step back. The Pats will suck again. And I don't think 41 year old Rodgers has enough left in the tank to make the Jets anything better than a fringe playoff team. The Bills will be right back knocking on the door again next year. Bills need to add to the receiver room, I think they are good on the line and maybe draft a center. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckets Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 11 hours ago, That's No Moon said: Josh is 28 next season. Very few people on that list past 32 or 33. Very few. 4-5 years left to get it done sort of adds a bit more urgency dontcha think? Yes! So let's keep hiring experiments for coordinators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeLLy1278 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 With the amount of talent Josh Allen has, the Bills should win two Super Bowls imo. One would be great and I don’t mean to sound greedy here but to me, if they don’t win at least two, it will be disappointing. The team should be in “WIN NOW” mode. Allen is 27 years old and as young as that is, there have been missed opportunities and the Bills can’t get those back. If Allen does not have a ring by 30.. all anyone will talk about is that he is another hall of fame QB like Marino and Kelly. Good players, no rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 hours ago, Buckets said: Yes! So let's keep hiring experiments for coordinators. Yeah! Let's get retreads instead like Vic Fangio or Arthur Smith! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Bruffalo said: Yeah! Let's get retreads instead like Vic Fangio or Arthur Smith! Todd Bowle’s defense would get us over the hump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 No. he has just completed his 6th season out of what I am betting will be 15. He has time, but this org. Needs to quit wasting his best possible years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYFAN1 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 18 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Folks keep talking about Josh running out of time to win a championship. Here’s a link to ages of all SB winning QBs: Lots of older guys, some younger guys. I think the average age is around 31. So he’s got plenty of time. He will likely not be as much the runner, but that’s OK. "He will likely not be as much the runner, but that’s OK." Is it ok? My fear is that age will impact him more than a typical qb due to how much of his game is running. And I'm not just talking about mobility, but flat out running for difficult yards. He's going to have a transition to make in the next few years, time will tell if he can pull it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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