Einstein Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 53 minutes ago, Einstein said: I guess it’s better if Von beats himself up 5 1 14 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I respect this. 4 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Take the couple weeks off, get right for the playoffs. That's what we signed you for. 2 1 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 ]] 1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said: Take the couple weeks off, get right for the playoffs. That's what we signed you for. No. He's cooked this year and may never be back. He's a liability in run protection and Lawson/Jonathan are better options at this point. The Bills best hope is for him to get back to maybe 80% of what he used to be next year as the contract is unforgiving until after next season. 1 2 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 58 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: ]] No. He's cooked this year and may never be back. He's a liability in run protection and Lawson/Jonathan are better options at this point. The Bills best hope is for him to get back to maybe 80% of what he used to be next year as the contract is unforgiving until after next season. Excluding this season, if you look at his avg sacks per year since entering the league x.8, we’re looking around 8 sacks next year. All things considered, I’d take that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Funny thing, I had a dream last night about a Von sack this weekend. But, probably just that, as I don’t see him being activated again this week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Good for Von holding himself accountable and saying the right thing to the media. I still have hope IF the Bills make a run he turns it on for a game or two and makes a couple big plays. 7 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 This admission reflects well on him. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 53 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Excluding this season, if you look at his avg sacks per year since entering the league x.8, we’re looking around 8 sacks next year. All things considered, I’d take that. Sack statistics can be misleading unless they're combined with QB pressures. I wish the stat was commonly displayed as (e.g.) sacks/pressures: 8/22. In my opinion, that would be a better measure of a defenders impact on passing plays. There are a lot of DEs who force QBs into scrambling, throwing INTs, and incompletions. Depending on the mobility of the QBs they face in a given season, the defender may not get a high number of sacks, even if he's contributing to plays that force punts. Sacks are an impressive stat, but only tell part of the story. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 17 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Good for Von holding himself accountable and saying the right thing to the media. I still have hope IF the Bills make a run he turns it on for a game or two and makes a couple big plays. His mind says yes, body says no. I’m afraid “that” Von is done. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Good on Von for being a team guy and not your typical star athlete prima donna. Now, obviously, the question is whether he ever gets back to playing at that standard. Will a switch suddenly flip or is the explosiveness gone? I’ll be very surprised if he is active Sunday night. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 17 minutes ago, stinky finger said: His mind says yes, body says no. I’m afraid “that” Von is done. Respectfully disagree, it’s the mind that usually holds the person back in instances like this. Physically the knee is repaired and ready to go, mentally he doesn’t trust it yet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 22 minutes ago, SoMAn said: Sack statistics can be misleading unless they're combined with QB pressures. I wish the stat was commonly displayed as (e.g.) sacks/pressures: 8/22. In my opinion, that would be a better measure of a defenders impact on passing plays. There are a lot of DEs who force QBs into scrambling, throwing INTs, and incompletions. Depending on the mobility of the QBs they face in a given season, the defender may not get a high number of sacks, even if he's contributing to plays that force punts. Sacks are an impressive stat, but only tell part of the story. im in agreement with you. To be devils advocate, pressures also aren’t a complete picture as well. It is true a pressure could result in a throw away, turnover or incompletion. It is also true that pressures can result in scrambles, completions or even scores. Part of the reason I believe people cling to sack statistics is because the data reflects a finite ending to the play. ESPN now uses the statistic pass rush win rate to show how well a player is performing. I like this because it offers other context along with it, such as the percentage of times a player is being double teamed, or how many rush snaps they’ve taken. I do think there is a better means to represent impact of pass rushers. That being said, I was only trying to add some context to what 80% of Von could eventually materialize into if we’re so lucky to see him return to that form. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 9 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: im in agreement with you. To be devils advocate, pressures also aren’t a complete picture as well. It is true a pressure could result in a throw away, turnover or incompletion. It is also true that pressures can result in scrambles, completions or even scores. Part of the reason I believe people cling to sack statistics is because the data reflects a finite ending to the play. ESPN now uses the statistic pass rush win rate to show how well a player is performing. I like this because it offers other context along with it, such as the percentage of times a player is being double teamed, or how many rush snaps they’ve taken. I do think there is a better means to represent impact of pass rushers. That being said, I was only trying to add some context to what 80% of Von could eventually materialize into if we’re so lucky to see him return to that form. Agree on PRWR. I’ll add that another impact of a pass rusher winning quickly is that it will force an offense to scheme quick throws. That makes life on the secondary a lot easier. That results in short throws, interceptions and incompletions, but not sacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 15 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Respectfully disagree, it’s the mind that usually holds the person back in instances like this. Physically the knee is repaired and ready to go, mentally he doesn’t trust it yet. I believe this contributes as well. My phrasing was incorrect. This coupled with his age will be difficult to overcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 13 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Respectfully disagree, it’s the mind that usually holds the person back in instances like this. Physically the knee is repaired and ready to go, mentally he doesn’t trust it yet. He's the most positive person I've ever seen and he returned back to form fairly quickly the last time he tore the same ACL. I don't worry about his mental state. I think tearing the same ACL, age, and maybe more damage/complications compared to the first time he injured it is why he's a shell of his former self this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Hope he can do something useful next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Hope he can do something useful next year. The sad part is he was everything we hoped for before he tore his ACL. We don't win @Chiefs or @Ravens without him. He also sacked Cousins to force that insane 4th and 18 Jefferson catch. He was something special to watch and it's a darn shame as he could've gone down as one of the best signings in Bills history. 4 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 20 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Hope he can do something useful next year. Perhaps he could do the podcasts with Maddy Glab? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 If he doesn't get back to some form of his former self, whether it's this year or next, he will be beanes worst signing. That much money for... 8 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I mean, if he's even admitting his play isn't up to standard maybe it's time to give some of it back. Take a pay cut Von. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 This is the first time I've ever agreed with something Von has said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 he intimated recently that the knee is not yet right. so, yeah, just like Tre last year, year 2 after the ACL surgery is the year you come back full strength. no real surprise here, ACL tear waste 2 seasons , not just the one in which the original injury occurs. been shown to be the case dozens of times is what it is. shame. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 good for Von. sucks for everybody, team, fans, him. he just hasnt gotten back like we all had hoped. hopefully hes fully back next season. we saw this with Tre when he came back. happens. 15 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I mean, if he's even admitting his play isn't up to standard maybe it's time to give some of it back. Take a pay cut Von. would u? he was injured on the job. job he was doing well until that injury. he may have his career ended because of doing that job. its a contract signed by two well informed parties. see zero reason why he should take a pay cut. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfronts Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 it's obvious he has Tre White syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 6 hours ago, Einstein said: I really don't want to hear from him any longer. Show up and perform, or just sit his *** from here on out 50 minutes ago, bigduke6 said: good for Von. sucks for everybody, team, fans, him. he just hasnt gotten back like we all had hoped. hopefully hes fully back next season. we saw this with Tre when he came back. happens. would u? he was injured on the job. job he was doing well until that injury. he may have his career ended because of doing that job. its a contract signed by two well informed parties. see zero reason why he should take a pay cut. He shouldn't, we should just cut him. Just like tre' it's business. Your contracts are too big for both not only not playing up to the standard in which we signed you to, but both aren't performing at all. Both need to go this offseason. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 56 minutes ago, bigduke6 said: good for Von. sucks for everybody, team, fans, him. he just hasnt gotten back like we all had hoped. hopefully hes fully back next season. we saw this with Tre when he came back. happens. would u? he was injured on the job. job he was doing well until that injury. he may have his career ended because of doing that job. its a contract signed by two well informed parties. see zero reason why he should take a pay cut. Because he will lose money anyway if cut. He can hope another team gives him another contract with good guarantees, but that's highly unlikely given his age and recent performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Am I the only one who thinks there is a real chance he retires this spring? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: its a contract signed by two well informed parties. This. This is why I can’t see ill will to Miller or Beane. It’s just an “it is what it is” moment. Nobody involved was fooled or taken advantage of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 How does a player take a "pay cut?" I don't think they can. At least not in a way that helps the Bills other than some salary cap space by extending him and giving him more guaranteed money. I have never heard of this. Even if they could... what person would do this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 So he's going to do the right thing and let the Bills out of the contract right?...RIGHT??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: So he's going to do the right thing and let the Bills out of the contract right?...RIGHT??? It's possible he retires this offseason if he doesn't believe he'll be the same. Who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I am putting money down that Miller plays, sitting him last week was a good move and just offers him motivation. Either he goes all out or he may not be on this team next season. It's now or never, this was the same guy who told media and fans he would be ready for game 1, this is the final game of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: It's possible he retires this offseason if he doesn't believe he'll be the same. Who knows He should restructure his contract first. Not sure if that's possible but if he knows he's not playing at $20 mil per season level then the team shouldn't be on the hook for that I understand that would probably be unprecedented but it feels like stealing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The sad part is he was everything we hoped for before he tore his ACL. We don't win @Chiefs or @Ravens without him. He also sacked Cousins to force that insane 4th and 18 Jefferson catch. He was something special to watch and it's a darn shame as he could've gone down as one of the best signings in Bills history. 100% agree with this. I actually believe that Von will be a meaningful contributor next year. I don't think it rises to the level of his cap hit, but it won't be a complete waste of cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 If Von really cared he would rip up his contract 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, DJB said: If Von really cared he would rip up his contract That's....that's just not how this business works. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 22 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: It's possible he retires this offseason if he doesn't believe he'll be the same. Who knows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 28 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: How does a player take a "pay cut?" I don't think they can. At least not in a way that helps the Bills other than some salary cap space by extending him and giving him more guaranteed money. I have never heard of this. Even if they could... what person would do this? @Scott7975 Ask Aaron Rogers: https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/07/31/aaron-rodgers-explains-significant-pay-cut-jets#:~:text=The new deal will see,salary for his new team. It can be done. Let's hope Von has the character to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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