WGR Topic: McDermotts Mt Rushmore of Lossess'

[C.Biscuit97]

15 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

Losses under McDermott?

1. 13 Seconds

2. 12 Men on the Field

3. Vikings Game

4. Jets season opener

 

Losses because of McDermott?

1. 13 Seconds

2. 12 Men on the Field

3. Bengals playoff

4. Bills/Chiefs AFC Championship Game

 

I think the Bills lost those games because of McDermott (Bengals are debatable)

It was McDermott who fumbled in the end zone against the Vikes? It was McDermott who couldn’t beat a Zack Wilson offense that scored one td? And the Chiefs were just better than us in the championship game. 
 

there is a lot of blame to go around in every loss. But those ones imo aren’t on the Clapspr. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 hours ago, fan_in_tx said:

AZ Hail Murray belongs here as well

I know the prompt said it’s not based on McD’s fault, but I think it should be. Which is why I did not include Hail Murray (pretty fluky play) or Bengals playoff loss (just straight up overmatched). Hail Murray definitely has the Rushmore-esque dramatic flair.

[JohnNord]

8 hours ago, boyst said:

WGR has a great discussion topic. What are the top 4 worst loses for the Bills in McDermott's tenure? The Mount Rushmore for McDermott?

 

This does not mean the loss is blamed on him - just the loss was under his term.

 

My submission:

1. 13 seconds

2. Kneel down

3. Peterman's 5 picks

4. Urban Meyers Jaguars

Wow what a fun topic 

[Tenhigh]

6 hours ago, Rubes said:

The thing that really gets me is that it's the defense that ultimately failed us in all of those catastrophic losses. And defense is supposed to be his specialty.

 

 

[Ya Digg?]

7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The Vikings didnt even score on that drive. The Bills were up 27-23. The Defense stopped them on the goal line, and got the ball back with the lead 27-23. The Cam Lewis play should have been irrelevant as long as our Center and QB execute a simple snap. That loss was NOT on Cam Lewis.

Sorry, gotta disagree with you here. Cam knocks that ball down, which he easily could/should have, game over. I believe it was then the next game (or shortly after) where he almost lost the Bills another game 
 

I still vomit in my mouth every time I see that dude on the field. 

[Tenhigh]

3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Sorry, gotta disagree with you here. Cam knocks that ball down, which he easily could/should have, game over. I believe it was then the next game (or shortly after) where he almost lost the Bills another game 
 

I still vomit in my mouth every time I see that dude on the field. 

Roughing the kicker, right? Cam always seems to be in when we most need him OUT.

[Buffalo Ballin]

This is the major reason why McDermott has to be fired after this season ends.

 

Y'all keep bringing up Andy Reid when he was with the Eagles. Please stop doing that. Andy Reid and Sean McDermott are 2 different men with 2 different situations.

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Sorry, gotta disagree with you here. Cam knocks that ball down, which he easily could/should have, game over. I believe it was then the next game (or shortly after) where he almost lost the Bills another game 
 

I still vomit in my mouth every time I see that dude on the field. 

Again that is the point.  How do these teams all get inside the 5 yard line or score late game over and over?

Edited November 28, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[ChrisWatson#21]

Allen has put over Watson, Mahomes, Burrow and now Hurts in "memorable games".  He is turning into Phillip Rivers right in front of our eyes.  Something needs to change.  I’m sick of seeing lesser talent being dressed as heroes by this inept defensive "guru" of a head coach.  

[BillsPride12]

6 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

No love for the Dec. 2021 game vs the Patriots?  They threw the ball 3 times and still won.

I was going to mention that game as well!  That was a game we had no business losing other than McDermott being outcoached. One of the most miserable games I've ever attended 

[JoshAllin]

9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Was looking for a place to post this. This thread seems appropriate.

 

"The Process"

 

I think some of these were just pure luck. Minny game anyone besides Cam Lewis defending would result in incomplete pass and game. Philly how do you make a60 yrd fg in those conditions. TB some horrible tackling by Edmunds late in that game, etc

[Dan Darragh]

The amazing thing about this thread is that the Patriots Wind Game hardly even gets mentioned (justifiably).

[Roundybout]

38 minutes ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

Allen has put over Watson, Mahomes, Burrow and now Hurts in "memorable games".  He is turning into Phillip Rivers right in front of our eyes.  Something needs to change.  I’m sick of seeing lesser talent being dressed as heroes by this inept defensive "guru" of a head coach.  

The Bills have gone 35 games without a double digit loss. He is a good defensive coach.

[wppete]

There are too many good choices. Tough call. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Tenhigh said:

 

Now do percent of the cap on IR lol.

 

What a disingenuous point.

9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Was looking for a place to post this. This thread seems appropriate.

 

"The Process"

 

The story of the graphic is the absolute ricochet shot at Cody Ford.

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It was McDermott who fumbled in the end zone against the Vikes?

The Vikings had nearly 500 yards of offense. 

 

That loss was far more than 1 fumble.
 

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It was McDermott who couldn’t beat a Zack Wilson offense that scored one td?

McD has actually lost to Zach multiple times.

Last year the Jets controlled TOP and had 21 first downs against us with Zach Wilson starting.

[Kirby Jackson]

Good topic:

 

- 13 seconds (this one in unanimous)

- Vikings Game (I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a team in position to kneel actually lose)

- Peterman game (he thought that the worst QB ever was a viable option as a starter. It went as anyone with eyes would have expected)

- Patriots game this year (you played a game that you had to win against the worst team in the league)

 

There are so many other failures to consider.

 

[PatsFanNH]

32 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said:

The amazing thing about this thread is that the Patriots Wind Game hardly even gets mentioned (justifiably).

Which makes sense that was a fluke. This years game where Mac Jones looked like Tom Freaking Brady definitely should be.  I wonder how frustrating it is for Allen?

[Yockopondowsk]

Ok so practically speaking, are we ditching Beane too?  Hope not, so then Beane is charged with replacing his buddy? Dumping McBeane could very well 7 & 10 us. There is a lot to say about continuity.  Another thing, (may have been covered ??).  Cook’s drop, Davis’ zig shoulda zagged, horse$#~collar non penalty, 2 missed FGs.  That 27 points that were left on the table.  All would be well in Billsie world if only… 

[Governor]

He has so many epic failures. Too many to list.

1 hour ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

This is the major reason why McDermott has to be fired after this season ends.

 

Y'all keep bringing up Andy Reid when he was with the Eagles. Please stop doing that. Andy Reid and Sean McDermott are 2 different men with 2 different situations.

Also, I don’t remember Andy’s offense being the reason they always lost. It was Jim Johnson and McD’s defense…..and then Alex Smith in KC.

[boyst]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Sadly this team has dozens of worthy candidates. Here's what I came up with:

 

1) Wide Right

2) 13 Seconds
3) Patriots "Just Give It To Em" game
4) 2004 losing to Steelers 3rd stringers and missing playoffs

Under McDermotts coaching tenure. 😜

[Livinginthepast]

2 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Sorry, gotta disagree with you here. Cam knocks that ball down, which he easily could/should have, game over. I believe it was then the next game (or shortly after) where he almost lost the Bills another game 
 

I still vomit in my mouth every time I see that dude on the field. 

Cam Lewis high points the ball down to Jefferson who makes the circus catch. Lewis should have got an assist! He was like one of those rugby players that get lifted up by a team mate and then hand them the ball! He should have listened to Tom Jackson on NFL Primetime: "Knock it down!!".

[Pete]

Losing to Mac Jones

 

McMediocre should of been fired on the spot

[DuckyBoys]

gonna need a bigger mountain to hold them all

[dma0034]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It was McDermott who fumbled in the end zone against the Vikes? It was McDermott who couldn’t beat a Zack Wilson offense that scored one td? And the Chiefs were just better than us in the championship game. 
 

there is a lot of blame to go around in every loss. But those ones imo aren’t on the Clapspr. 

 

You misread the post. I said the Vikings loss was a bad loss but not his fault. He was up 9-0 in the AFC Championship and played not to lose

[Success]

11 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

I have to say it.. losing to the Mac Jones led Patriots and his defense giving up 29 points to the worst O in the NFL.  That has be one of the worst losses. 

 

Disagree 100% on this one.

 

Pats gave the Eagles & Dolphins fits in the 1st 2 games, and the D has played tough most of the season.  But all that aside, it's a division game.  Division games can be very unpredictable.

 

Brady owned the Bills, but throughout those years, the Bills played some very hard-fought games against the much more talented Pats teams.  The Pats loss bothered me because it was the Pats, but the Bills other 5 losses were all worse.

 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

I am not sure what counts as the "worst loss". Playoff losses are, by definition, worse than regular season losses. But is a loss in a close game worse than being trampled in a blowout? Or does there have to be a bone headed coaching decision involved. Because it is hard to deny 13 seconds as a "bad loss"... and I just can't see how we can overlook "12 men on the field" as far as coaching. Beyond that the "worst losses" have to be those where the other team was BAD and we gave the game away. Recency bias compels me to nominate this year's Jets and Patriots games as horrible losses.

[gtu100]

3 hours ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

Allen has put over Watson, Mahomes, Burrow and now Hurts in "memorable games".  He is turning into Phillip Rivers right in front of our eyes.  Something needs to change.  I’m sick of seeing lesser talent being dressed as heroes by this inept defensive "guru" of a head coach.  

Love the wrestling reference there.  Well done.

[uticaclub]

1) 13 Seconds (end of the process)

2) Wind Game (how do you stay in Nickle the whole game?)

3) No Show in the Snow (death of the culture)

4) Philly Shitsteak (recently biased)

 

These games stood out to me as games we would have won without coaching blunders. Josh has made his share of mistakes (hero ball in Houston, fumbling a TD away against Minny, slipping against the Titans), so I left those out since a debate could be had about those games.

Edited November 29, 2023 by uticaclub

[Best Williams Available]

I don’t like the idea of a McD Mt Rushmore because we have to narrow it down to only 4. 
 

I prefer a McDaVinci “Last Supper” so we can pick 12-13. Jesus is 13 seconds.

[Riverboat Ritchie]

1. 13 seconds

2. Houston playoff…he looked as scared as our then new stud QB

3.  12 men on field…I mean cmon

4. Last week Eagles game. The Time out to Ice the kicker, the playing dead with 20 secs left, kicking a FG in OT while thinking “your” D could hold them

 

Definitely quite a few Honorable mentions too but I think above were had poor coaching all over it. 

[DapperCam]

Trying not to have too much recency bias. I went with the most painful losses instead of the ones I thought were caused by bad coaching.

 

1. Houston playoff game

2. 13 seconds game

3. Vikings endzone fumble game

4. Eagles 60 yard FG in the rain game

HM: Hail Murray

 

^ All painful losses from different season, nice!

Edited November 29, 2023 by DapperCam

[Dan Darragh]

We should start a thread about all the mediocre RBs we made look like Gale Sayers

 

I'd start with Jay Ajayi.

[billsbackto81]

18 hours ago, Beast said:

13 seconds

Philadelphia game

2023 New England game

Hail Murray

This years Patriots game belongs in there because McDermott’s defense made Mac Jones look like Tom Brady.

I agree with this mostly but would sub the Hail Murray for the Cincy playoff game. 

 

The NE game isn't getting as much as it should.  It was a game we needed bad IMO against the worst offense in the league and you let Mac Jones go down the field for a game winning TD, not FG, TD!! UNEXCUSABLE! 

 

 

[Since1981]

Just in 2023. Hard to pick favorites—like a box of chocolates—there are so many to choose from. 

[Tenhigh]

12 hours ago, FireChans said:

Now do percent of the cap on IR lol.

 

What a disingenuous point.

 

Weird take, but we are also 2nd in cap on IR.  That doesn't change the fact that we are 2nd in the league in defensive spending, kemosabe.

[FireChans]

28 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Weird take, but we are also 2nd in cap on IR.  That doesn't change the fact that we are 2nd in the league in defensive spending, kemosabe.

Both facts. It’s also a fact that if the dollars you’re spending on defense are on IR, they can’t help the defensive performance. Draw your conclusions from there.

Edited November 29, 2023 by FireChans

[Beast]

22 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The Vikings didnt even score on that drive. The Bills were up 27-23. The Defense stopped them on the goal line, and got the ball back with the lead 27-23. The Cam Lewis play should have been irrelevant as long as our Center and QB execute a simple snap. That loss was NOT on Cam Lewis.

Yeah, a big part of it was.

 

The Bills would have taken over deep in Minnesota territory if Lewis just knocked the freaking ball down. You most likely wouldn’t have had the bad exchange as they hurried it to prevent a safety. 

 

 

[Tenhigh]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Both facts. It’s also a fact that if the dollars you’re spending on defense are on IR, they can’t help the defensive performance. Draw your conclusions from there.

My conclusion is that I'm perplexed why we so much of our cap % is being spent on our defense when out coach is supposed to be a defensive guru.  Couldn't a guy like that figure out how to do just a little more with less?  How much $$ does he need to get thT defense to make a late game stop?

[BobbyC81]

23 hours ago, BBFL said:

You’re right. The game shouldn’t have been in that position but we were due to other players; you and @DrDawkinstein are correct about that. 
 

if there’s blame on one guy for one singular play for us to come out with a loss, it’s that Cam Lewis play. Guy was on #18’s shoulders 😂

C’mon, it should never have gotten to that. The defense had just stopped Minnesota but the Bills were stuck at the one, fumbled the snap and gave up a TD.