margolbe Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Never hear anything really meaningful from upper management. I understand that Pegula's kids are in involved, but in what capacity? Who does Beane account to. Are they happy with how things are? I doubt Jerry Jones would be this quiet. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, margolbe said: Never hear anything really meaningful from upper management. I understand that Pegula's kids are in involved, but in what capacity? Who does Beane account to. Are they happy with how things are? I doubt Jerry Jones would be this quiet. Great question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 McDermott 1 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I never want to hear from the owner. And I don't care to hear from the GM during the season. And I never want to hear from the owner. Did I mention that? Seriously, what's the point? 3 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 We’ll find out at the end of the season if we don’t make the playoffs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Who own da Chiefs? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margolbe Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 I would like to hear from the owner. Even Hal Steinbrenner got involved this year when the Yankees were plummeting (although it didn't do they much good). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I never want to hear from the owner. And I don't care to hear from the GM during the season. And I never want to hear from the owner. Did I mention that? Seriously, what's the point? Don't be obtuse. We have a head coach who needs firing and it's important to know who might be making the call on such an important decision. Obviously, Beane would be involved, but who else? Terry himself, or does he have underlings to whom he's delegated responsibility for decisions like this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margolbe Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, mannc said: Don't be obtuse. We have a head coach who needs firing and it's important to know who might be making the call on such an important decision. Obviously, Beane would be involved, but who else? Terry himself, or does he have underlings to whom he's delegated responsibility for decisions like this? Exactly. When things are going badly, someone has to step in to let fans know they know whats going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Kim Pegula's situation set the franchise back. Terry doesn't want to be involved in the day to day 1 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margolbe Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Mrbojanglezs said: Kim Pegula's situation set the franchise back. Terry doesn't want to be involved in the day to day But I thought he has other family members involved in running the franchise. Have to believe someone is overseeing this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 51 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I never want to hear from the owner. And I don't care to hear from the GM during the season. And I never want to hear from the owner. Did I mention that? Seriously, what's the point? Is this thing on? It's about to be on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Both McD and Beane report directly to Terry. This has been know for a while I believe. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, mannc said: Don't be obtuse. We have a head coach who needs firing and it's important to know who might be making the call on such an important decision. Obviously, Beane would be involved, but who else? Terry himself, or does he have underlings to whom he's delegated responsibility for decisions like this? Why is it a mystery on who would be making the call? Terry Pegula is head of the organization and the owner. There is absolutely nothing that would indicate he is not the primary decision maker. McDermott reports to him directly. This is not a mystery. Some people seem to need to create confusion where none exists. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 58 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Kim Pegula's situation set the franchise back. Terry doesn't want to be involved in the day to day Him not being involved is probably good. Can we get a football guy in to be involved? Or maybe Beane can just stop wanting to watch his players lose games that most fans could close out? I mean, I don’t want the owner making football decisions the guy knows nothing about sports but can we get a football guy in the building to say McDermott is killing us? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, FLFan said: Why is it a mystery on who would be making the call? Terry Pegula is head of the organization and the owner. There is absolutely nothing that would indicate he is not the primary decision maker. McDermott reports to him directly. This is not a mystery. Some people seem to need to create confusion where none exists. Obviously Terry has the last word, but are there others within his organization who would be involved in the decision, other than Beane? It’s an important question and you didn’t answer it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, margolbe said: Never hear anything really meaningful from upper management. I understand that Pegula's kids are in involved, but in what capacity? Who does Beane account to. Are they happy with how things are? I doubt Jerry Jones would be this quiet. Probably not but i would take the Pegs over Jerry any day ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Obviously Terry has the last word, but are there others within his organization who would be involved in the decision, other than Beane? It’s an important question and you didn’t answer it. I believe both Beane and McDermott report directly to Pegula. That would mean Beane has no authority to fire McDermott. But don't most teams have a structure where the owner sits over the GM and the GM sits over the HC? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14774 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 While we don't know what, if anything, has been said behind closed doors, it would be nice to hear a Pegula express their displeasure publicly. Maybe it would "light a fire" under coaches/players behinds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) My questions: Does Beane have the authority to fire McDermott? Would Beane fire McDermott if he had the authority to do so? Any way Beane would stay within organization without McDermott? Does Terry ever attend Bills games home or away? Are any of the Pegulas actually in WNY ever? Edited November 28, 2023 by Billsflyer12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mannc Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I believe both Beane and McDermott report directly to Pegula. That would mean Beane has no authority to fire McDermott. But don't most teams have a structure where the owner sits over the GM and the GM sits over the HC? Yes, I think it's somewhat unusual for the coach to report directly to the Owner instead of to the GM (assuming that's true), but that doesn't mean that Beane wouldn't have significant influence on decisions about McDermott's future. Many organizations also have someone who sits above the GM but below the owner (such as a President of Football Operations). I don't know if Terry has someone like that within his organization, but it would be interesting to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: And I never want to hear from the owner. Did I mention that? Seriously, what's the point? Accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Accountability. All the NFL owner has to do is fire and hire GM's and head coaches. I don't care to hear from them. They're all sociopaths and/or morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I believe both Beane and McDermott report directly to Pegula. That would mean Beane has no authority to fire McDermott. But don't most teams have a structure where the owner sits over the GM and the GM sits over the HC? Exactly. Almost all sports teams have this kind of hierarchy, with GM clearly above head coach. But with the Bills, Beane is not above McDermott on the organizational chart and therefore does not have the sole ability to fire the head coach. If any move is made, it will be coming from Terry Pegula, not Brandon Beane. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, MJS said: McDermott “We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said: My questions: Does Beane have the authority to fire McDermott? Would Beane fire McDermott if he had the authority to do so? Any way Beane would stay within organization without McDermott? Does Terry ever attend Bills games home or away? Are any of the Pegulas actually in WNY ever? Id imagine that Beane and McDermott don’t plan on being a package deal / interviewing together for the rest of their lives Iike Will Ferrell and John C Reilly in Stepbrothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 It's this guy: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Clearly… not us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said: My questions: Does Beane have the authority to fire McDermott? Would Beane fire McDermott if he had the authority to do so? Any way Beane would stay within organization without McDermott? Does Terry ever attend Bills games home or away? Are any of the Pegulas actually in WNY ever? Alll on the next edition of the Days of the Bills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, mannc said: Obviously Terry has the last word, but are there others within his organization who would be involved in the decision, other than Beane? It’s an important question and you didn’t answer it. It all depends who has Terry’s ear. From what I understand, he was very close with McDermott Ultimately, the decision will be made by TP. But who else can influence him? We have no freaking close. 17 minutes ago, Billznut said: Exactly. Almost all sports teams have this kind of hierarchy, with GM clearly above head coach. But with the Bills, Beane is not above McDermott on the organizational chart and therefore does not have the sole ability to fire the head coach. If any move is made, it will be coming from Terry Pegula, not Brandon Beane. This is not uncommon in the NFL. Many times the GM and Coach both report to the owner. It’s more desirable for a coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, 14774 said: While we don't know what, if anything, has been said behind closed doors, it would be nice to hear a Pegula express their displeasure publicly. Maybe it would "light a fire" under coaches/players behinds. Good managers don't do that. If they are effective they can light that fire behind closed doors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, MJS said: McDermott Yep, he hired the GM which should never happen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 More importantly Terrence Pegula is no young man, he’s 72, when the average life expectancy of a man is 78. Pegula is rich but that only buys you a few years unless they are a drunk like the Colts owner. We might need a new owner in 10 years. Is Kim capable of running the team or will it be sold to the highest bidder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, margolbe said: But I thought he has other family members involved in running the franchise. Have to believe someone is overseeing this mess. Well other family members being the children of Kim and Terry -- gotta assume none of them are prioritizing Bills over concern over Kim's recovery. For all we know she maybe still has final say over anything Bills but she prefers to keep out of public eye as she recovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Quote Who is running the Bills Master Blaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Rubes said: Who own da Chiefs? You beat me to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I tend to think McDermott runs the football side of things including some personnel duties that might usually go to the GM and Beane handles contracts, finances, the cap and some other GM duties (putting out feelers for trades, managing the scouts). McDermott hired Beane which is kind of bizarre, and both seem to be peers in the org chart reporting directly to Pegula. I agree that Kim’s health issues have caused problems in how they expected to run things. I think Pegula found McDermott through some sort of third party consulting firm. It’s honestly kind of a mess if things aren’t going peachy. Who has the authority to fire who? Do McDermott and Beane go as a pair? Considering his personal circumstances does Terry just punt the decision and give everybody another year? Another wrinkle is the need to sell expensive PSLs for the new stadium over the next year. If the team continues to slide a change might have to happen to encourage sales. We have no cap space for a splashy UFA, so maybe a splashy HC instead? Harbaugh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Rubes said: Who own da Chiefs? Owns! owns! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 We need to appoint a special counsel to investigate McD for crimes against humanity, fraud, and throwing games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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