Dan Darragh Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: I’m not going to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, but with all the money being bet on NFL games, the League HAS to do something to reduce the influence the officials have on game outcomes. Obviously, it will never be reduced to zero, but there has to be a way to at least reduce their influence. Here are my thoughts but very interested if anyone has a thought on this. Defensive PI. Move from spot foul to 15 yards. If “flagrant” PI becomes an issue, tinker with the rule the following year. Illegal contact. Increase area for contact from 5 to 10 yards. Eliminate ticky tack fouls. Contact has to be substantial and reduce receiver’s ability to contest for a catch. The call on the Eagles last night in the second half gifting the Chiefs a first down was a travesty. Defensive holding. Again, eliminate ticky tack foul. Holding has to reduce receiver’s ability to contest for a catch. Offensive holding. At least be consistent. Sick of refs determining outcomes. Thoughts? Revive "uncatchable" as negating defensive PI. Add an exception to defensive PI where the ball is underthrown and the contact results primarily from the receiver coming back to the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: That would be a huge mistake. You’d essentially ruin one of the most exciting parts of the entire game. I know bombs are one of the things that drew me to the game as a kid. If you make pi a 10-15 yard penalty you’re guaranteeing every single bomb where the db is beat will end in a pi. Heck, there’d be some teams/coaches that would strategize to do that stuff and squeeze them when they’re too close to attempt anymore bombs. It would be a really bad idea for the game (making it result in more pi’s/flags, and much less bomb tds), and for the nfl because for the same reasons as it’s bad for the game. New watchers want excitement, not flag central. Ridiculous. Most times, on a "bomb" pass, the defender is not even close enough to contact the receiver, and the receiver waltzes in to the end zone untouched. As somebody else pointed out in this thread though, A LOT of defensive PIs happen when a ball is underthrown, and the receiver has to come back to the ball, and there is a collision actually caused by the receiver, because he slowed down and/or stopped dead in his tracks to come back to the ball. You're rewarding a team for having a crappy throw by their QB. I could also see what somebody else offered....2 severities of PI, just like on grabbing the facemask foul used to be. You have to admit that very often these PI calls are made on the defense with very minor, incidental contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Refs tried to come to the rescue for the Chiefs as usual. Still shocked they called that intentional grounding call on Mahomes...makes me think an official will get fired for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said: I think the best way to do so would be to change the penalty yardage somehow for all the penalties. Not sure how to do it but it makes no sense how a DPI is spot foul and sometimes 40+ yards, but OPI is 15 yards...? Maybe OPI should be the yardage backwards LOL Or both yardages the same for the same type of foul 🤔 . Oh yah i guess that's what you saying . Edited November 21, 2023 by T master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 There's so much wrong, it's appalling. Here are some things on my list, in no particular order: 1. Ease up on the ineligible man downfield. It kills a lot of good gains, and it's dumb. It usually comes when the QB is scrambling, and in that situation the defense simply doesn't care if an offensive lineman is three yards past the line of scrimmage. 2. Have an automatic review of every play that would have been a scoring play if the ref had spotted it differently. Refs didn't call a safety in Steelers-Browns even though it was pretty clear on the live play, and definitely clear on replay. It makes no sense that scoring plays are reviewed, but not scoring plays that depend on the spot are not. It means if your defense gives up a score, you don't have to ask for a review, but if your offense just misses a score, you have to waste a challenge and lose a timeout to have someone look at it. 3. Every year they have some things that are points of emphasis. This season they decided to lighten up on ticky-tack interference calls, and it really improved the flow of the game. Last couple of weeks, the officials started falling into the same old habits, and calling interference on dumb little contact and sometimes on no contact at all. 4. Change the holding rules. The defensive linemen and blitzers are so good that no one can protect the quarterback. They have to let the o linemen hold a little more. And do something about those holding calls when the back cuts back, the defender changes direction and essentially creates a hold. The o lineman can't do anything about it. 5. Put a chip in the ball so that spotting the ball and measuring for first downs is automated and accurate. Also so that reviews of goal line plays make sense. On a QB sneak, on review you usually can't see the ball. If they had a chip, it would be simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: This solves absolutely none of the issues with refs other than pay It’s obviously a 2 part scenario brother. That’s why I wrote 1 AND 2…not 1 OR 2 lol That’d be like someone saying to pop this popcorn there’s 2 thing you need to do: 1. Put in microwave 2. Set cook timer for 2 minutes and hit start and then complaining because they have no popcorn after only doing step one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 55 minutes ago, boco357 said: Why does the sky judge only come out on illegal man downfield calls? The endless huddles after plays by refs makes the games last so much longer. Like Sunday night? 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I am actually an official apologist of sorts....I do acknowledge they get a lot wrong but I think their job is so much harder than people realize and they actually get a ton of things right...people only talk about things that are subjective or blatent missed calls. When you can do super slow motion and see hey that guys hand hit the guy a frame earlier than the ball arrived it will always be easy to criticize. The amount of rules and the details of the rules is a huge amount of information that needs to be processed all the time. Take a minute to realize the improvements they have done. A number of years ago, all you would hear abotu on Mondays is catches that were rule incomplete cause some miniscule ball movement, they NFL did a great job of fixing the interpretation of what is and is not a catch and there will always be some that are close there are less controversial catch/no catches today. The quick booth reviews that happen that fix ball placement, determine a called TD is not a TD or a guy ruled out is changed to a TD without coach or field officials doing anything is another improvement. If anyone thinks it "is only getting worse" I challenge you to go to youtube and watch a game from the 90's when obvious INT's or fumbles or TD's are wrong and it is clear as day by replay but there was not replay to fix it. All of those they get right now. 1. Having the officials be full time will not make better officials, only technology and reviews can make it better. 2. Subjectivity is hard to remove (PI, roughing the passer etc) but any time you can remove subjectivity it should be done and generally the NFL has tried to do that but you can't get rid of all of it. 3. Make embellishing a foul, Josh Allen is one of many who should be flagged for this. The over protection of QB's and receivers has resulted in guys overreacting to minor hits trying to get the call. 4. Humans can really only look/focus at one thing, when you watch a replay 16 times you can look at many things but in real time you can only see one thing so it is unrealistic to expect these guys to be perfect. Instead they should continue to use reviews to fix mistakes. 5. They should continue to try to find ways to use reviews and other possible uses of technology like chips in balls etc. Thanks for reading if you got this far. I know most wont agree with this but its my 2 cents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: 5. Put a chip in the ball so that spotting the ball and measuring for first downs is automated and accurate. Also so that reviews of goal line plays make sense. On a QB sneak, on review you usually can't see the ball. If they had a chip, it would be simpler. A chip in the ball doesn’t know when forward progress is stopped, or when a player is down. So, it doesn’t really simplify things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chaos said: A couple of concrete suggestions: 1) Defensive Pass Interference is the single biggest game changer. I think the rules would be much improved if there were two versions of DPI (like there is with fask masking, or roughing the kicker). Flagrant/Intentional spot foul as it is now. Incidental, same as defensive holding, five yards automatic first down. Obviously this involves some judgement, still but I think it would be better. 2)Roughing the Passer. Another game changer. Like roughing the kicker, I feel like there needs to be a five yard and 15 yard version. Again, it involves judgement, but I think we all know that when they wait until Patrick Mahomes requests the RTP call, it likely means it was not flagrant, as one example. I was going to post something along these lines. Incidental DPI or Roughing the Passer could be 5 yards and replay the down (maybe or maybe not an automatic 1st down), but intentional or egregious DPI would be the current spot foul and automatic 1st down, and intentional and egregious RTP would be the current 15 years and a 1st down. Yes, it will create some subjectivity, but it gives the officials an "out" when they have to technically make the call, but it's not egregious or intentional, and it wouldn't swing the outcome of games like it does today. Edited November 21, 2023 by msw2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: Sick of refs determining outcomes. Thoughts? I agree with changing defensive PI from a spot foul to a 15 yard penalty. my caveat would be if the penalty takes place in the end zone make the enforcement be first and goal from the 10 If the original spot was at the 20 yard line or beyond. and make the enforcement have to distance to the goal if it’s inside the 20. your other suggestions can’t really be changed as they’re all just judgment calls. NFL can change enforcement, but there’s not much they can do when it comes to judgment calls. moving illegal contact from 5 yards to 10 yards doesn’t really fix anything. It just means all the calls everyone complains about will happen around the 10 yard line instead of around the five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzboy54 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: I’m not going to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, but with all the money being bet on NFL games, the League HAS to do something to reduce the influence the officials have on game outcomes. Obviously, it will never be reduced to zero, but there has to be a way to at least reduce their influence. Here are my thoughts but very interested if anyone has a thought on this. Defensive PI. Move from spot foul to 15 yards. If “flagrant” PI becomes an issue, tinker with the rule the following year. Illegal contact. Increase area for contact from 5 to 10 yards. Eliminate ticky tack fouls. Contact has to be substantial and reduce receiver’s ability to contest for a catch. The call on the Eagles last night in the second half gifting the Chiefs a first down was a travesty. Defensive holding. Again, eliminate ticky tack foul. Holding has to reduce receiver’s ability to contest for a catch. Offensive holding. At least be consistent. Sick of refs determining outcomes. Thoughts? Starting to think this is the root of the problem. Calls have gotten so bad I'm starting to wonder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Dancing Fool said: Pretty confident that the results the NFL is getting with their referees is exactly what they are hoping to achieve. I would encourage you to just accept that the NFL has their reasons for not "fixing" your perceived issue and enjoying the product for what it is. After all, if the NFL felt that it was a problem, they would make dramatic changes. Year after year, they do not. One can speculate as to why the NFL disagrees with your assessment, but it may have to do with their classification as "sports entertainment", a designation shared most notably with the modern WWE. Agreed. The NHL and NBA are no different. The refs call the game to keep them the score as close as possible. It helps with parity and helps with TV numbers if games are close. It will never change as calling the game this way is what's best for the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, WhoTom said: I agree, which reminds me ... during the Bills-Jets game, there was a flag for an ineligible man downfield. Then the ref said, "After review, it was determined that the lineman was not downfield," and they picked up the flag. Since when is that reviewable? It's reviewable for the ref in the box and/or New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: A chip in the ball doesn’t know when forward progress is stopped, or when a player is down. So, it doesn’t really simplify things. You say that with a lot of certainty given that my phone knows when it's turned on it's side and can even tell when I'm laying down. I think you'd be surprised by what they could do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: A chip in the ball doesn’t know when forward progress is stopped, or when a player is down. So, it doesn’t really simplify things. It helps in both cases on replay. On replay, they can play the sound and stop the video when the whistle sounds. The chip will show where the ball is. On replay, they can stop the play when the knee is down. The chip will show where the ball is. Of course, if you can't see where the player touches the ground, it's a problem. The NFL is way behind technologically when it comes to measurements and placing the ball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 55 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: A chip in the ball doesn’t know when forward progress is stopped, or when a player is down. So, it doesn’t really simplify things. In some scenarios it could at the goal line....but you are right forward progress is subjectively called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 PI should be a spot foul if blatant. The problem is that somewhat incidental contact and collisions on under thrown balls shouldn’t be spot fouls. Similar to how there used to be a 5 yard face mask penalty (for more incidental infractions) and a 15 yard face mask penalty (for more intentional infractions) refs should have some other type of penalty for less egregious PI penalties. Giving refs some additional discretion in PI penalties would greatly help. While on that matter I would also have personal fouls be instantly reviewed by the booth. Both can overturn a call if it’s egregious. These plays happen fast for the refs so helping them out by booth review on those penalties should helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Nobodys gonna like this, but some penalties and non penalties need to be reviewable. Human error will never go away. I love the idea of a booth ref paired with each ref on the field who can instruct the on-field ref to throw or pick up a flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Officiating crews for the 2023 season https://www.footballzebras.com/2023/06/officiating-crews-for-the-2023-season/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, NeverOutNick said: I’ll get more into the weeds later because I’m at work but the officiating is a HUGE problem and has been. Here are a couple quick fixes the NFL needs to do: 1. make the NFL refs a full time gig and let them get paid a lot of money 2. make refs accountable for their mistakes with suspensions and eventual firings NFL has deep pockets and should’ve done something to pay the good refs rightfully years ago. By doing 1 and 2 on my list there will be so many more potentially great applicants to become refs in the future and we won’t have the “boys club” we have now that doesn’t feel the pressure to make a good call or else. This may not fix everything but I guarantee it’ll help out a lot They also need to allow technological advancements into the rules. Stuff like a microchip in the ball to help with spots, etc. I mean, there are already enough cameras and circuits in the dang pylons that they need their own little cooling fans. But, every time the league brings up integrating tech into officiating, the referee's union throws a tantrum, threatens a strike like, "You 'member them replacement refs? They were awful and we'll send 'em out again if you dare try to look at us as anything other than infallible! We are geniuses who see all and are never wrong!!" I really don't like officials. Anyone who wants to be one at that level... I dunno, I think you probably got farts in your brain or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Fool Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Bob in STL said: It can never be improved? It is always fair and correct? Just accept it? This kind of thought would have kept us sleeping on the ground in caves. IF your not improving and getting better, then you are getting worse. Nonono, you misunderstand me entirely. The NFL WANTS officiating to work the way it does, or else they would change things. I have seen no word from on high at any point that officiating is an issue in the NFL. From the perspective of the league, things are progressing swimmingly. At a certain point if you disagree with the NFL about such a foundational practice, perhaps it is wise to recognize that your goals may not be in alignment with what the league wants. Perhaps the NFL is not in the business of providing the product you were under the impression they were providing. Or perhaps the refs just make a lot of mistakes that go unnoticed. *Shrug* Who is to say, really? On a completely unrelated note, does anyone have statistics on how consistently bookies profit from the NFL? Theoretically they are shooting for a 50/50 chance when they are placing odds, I wonder if they lose out as often as they win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Nobodys gonna like this, but some penalties and non penalties need to be reviewable. Human error will never go away. If they could figure out a way to do it at speed that would be great but there's so much conferring and talking, it drives me mad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 The NFL has no interest in "fixing" what fans call horrible officiating. The NFL has put in place a set of rules that allow the refs the best opportunity to maximize dollars generated for the league. On top of that, the not chaning of the rules gurentees that they stay "relevent" in the media which furthers the maximization of money coming into the NFL. My personal opinion is that they only way they would be forced to change (maybe), is for the IRS to take away their non for profit status and make them start paying taxes on the league earns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) My solutions: 1. Get rid of replay and accept there is human error inherent in any officiating 2. To make # 1 less of an issue, penalties are only called when egregious and definitively affect a play. No more ticky tack stuff. 3. DBs can put hands on guys within 15 yards of the LOS 4. Roughing the QB needs to be scaled way back. See # 2. QBs are football players too. 5. Use your helmet as a weapon? Immediate dismissal from the game and automatic 4 game suspension. Make the defense go back to actual tackling. Edited November 22, 2023 by oldmanfan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 hours ago, NeverOutNick said: It’s obviously a 2 part scenario brother. That’s why I wrote 1 AND 2…not 1 OR 2 lol That’d be like someone saying to pop this popcorn there’s 2 thing you need to do: 1. Put in microwave 2. Set cook timer for 2 minutes and hit start and then complaining because they have no popcorn after only doing step one. I'm sorry I'm sick of the argument that full time officials solve the problem. Thats like saying to the person that made your drink all wrong at starbucks hey you're only part time so we can't possibly expect you to do your job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, BigPappy said: My personal opinion is that they only way they would be forced to change (maybe), is for the IRS to take away their non for profit status and make them start paying taxes on the league earns. The league voluntarily relinquished its non-profit status in 2015. https://time.com/3839164/nfl-tax-exempt-status/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Since Defensive holding is 5 yards and a first down, shouldn't offensive holding be 5 yards and 4th down ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 hours ago, Dancing Fool said: Pretty confident that the results the NFL is getting with their referees is exactly what they are hoping to achieve. I would encourage you to just accept that the NFL has their reasons for not "fixing" your perceived issue and enjoying the product for what it is. After all, if the NFL felt that it was a problem, they would make dramatic changes. Year after year, they do not. One can speculate as to why the NFL disagrees with your assessment, but it may have to do with their classification as "sports entertainment", a designation shared most notably with the modern WWE. Are you suggesting the WWE is rigged too ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 7 hours ago, WhoTom said: I agree, which reminds me ... during the Bills-Jets game, there was a flag for an ineligible man downfield. Then the ref said, "After review, it was determined that the lineman was not downfield," and they picked up the flag. Since when is that reviewable? And not a soul has spoken about it since. You'd expect some sort of uproar, no? 2 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: If they could figure out a way to do it at speed that would be great but there's so much conferring and talking, it drives me mad So you'd rather New York be MORE involved in big calls? How'd that work out in the Houston game? Guys on the field got it right and got overruled by the shadow hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Fool Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Are you suggesting the WWE is rigged too ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: If they could figure out a way to do it at speed that would be great but there's so much conferring and talking, it drives me mad Several times a game, you can tell something was wrong (and correctable) within mere seconds. The solution might be having the head official upstairs and not on the field, so the call can come down fast and without discussion. Edited November 22, 2023 by Zag20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said: I'm sorry I'm sick of the argument that full time officials solve the problem. Thats like saying to the person that made your drink all wrong at starbucks hey you're only part time so we can't possibly expect you to do your job. Not even close to the same thing. Starbucks isn’t a once in a lifetime “dream career”. If these refs were full time employees making $250k+ per year with incentives and they knew people were behind them gunning for these prestigious jobs. They would either screw up less or be replaced by someone who does screw up less until we get the cream of the crop. No more boys club of the same incompetence year after year. The NFL is the highest level of a referees industry so the NFL should treat it as such instead of making it the equivalent of a tenured professors position with no consequences for mailing it in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said: Not even close to the same thing. Starbucks isn’t a once in a lifetime “dream career”. If these refs were full time employees making $250k+ per year with incentives and they knew people were behind them gunning for these prestigious jobs. They would either screw up less or be replaced by someone who does screw up less until we get the cream of the crop. No more boys club of the same incompetence year after year. The NFL is the highest level of a referees industry so the NFL should treat it as such instead of making it the equivalent of a tenured professors position with no consequences for mailing it in That's the thing. As I said earlier, the NFL has no reason to change anything. It's the same for the NBA and the NHL. They are paid to manage the games and keep them as close as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob806 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Eliminate replay as an officiating tool and watch the quality go back up. It's pretty simple. Nobody here is going to perform well at their job with somebody shadowing their every move. Replay ruined officiating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 9 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Nobodys gonna like this, but some penalties and non penalties need to be reviewable. Human error will never go away. this is where I’m at. Make almost all of them reviewable. Refs will be more likely to not call a ticky tack foul if they know it’s reviewable. So the problem may automatically fix itself without even needing that many more reviews. every game has an additional Ref up in the booth or in NYC reviewing the replays and overturning calls automatically. Some calls are obvious to anyone. If it’s subjective then it’s not a foul. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, DrBob806 said: Eliminate replay as an officiating tool and watch the quality go back up. It's pretty simple. Nobody here is going to perform well at their job with somebody shadowing their every move. Replay ruined officiating. Replay was brought in because the refs were making mistakes. I know people look back at the earlier years with rose colored glasses, but refs made tons of mistakes back then as well. The difference now is that the players are so much faster and stronger than they used to be, plus the addition of social media and everyone having an outlet to voice their opinion on, things seem worse than ever before 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 8 hours ago, cle23 said: There aren't 2 facemask penalties anymore. They are all 15 yards. A good example of the NFL taking a judgement call away from the refs. DPI calls are rough when they're ticky-tacky on a downfield pass, but the last thing I want to see is making DPI a judgement call by the refs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) The toughest thing to swallow is the "judgement" calls. They can be ignored or enforced, depending on the mood of the crew or maybe some gentle NFL steering. I've been saying this for years. It doesn't even involve a conspiracy narrative more than its about an NFL business model. We all saw for 20 years Brady get preferential calls. But of course, they needed him for revenue. The same gentle "steering" now favors Mahomes for the same reason. Certain penalties need to be adjusted. The punishment has to fit the crime. Within 3-4 years I guarantee you home plate umpires will no longer be calling strikes. And at the risk of lengthening the game, technology needs to be used more aggressively in the NFL. Refs can't even spot the ball accurately. All we ask is be fair and get it right. Edited November 22, 2023 by LABILLBACKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) On 11/21/2023 at 1:19 PM, blacklabel said: They also need to allow technological advancements into the rules. Stuff like a microchip in the ball to help with spots, etc. I mean, there are already enough cameras and circuits in the dang pylons that they need their own little cooling fans. But, every time the league brings up integrating tech into officiating, the referee's union throws a tantrum, threatens a strike like, "You 'member them replacement refs? They were awful and we'll send 'em out again if you dare try to look at us as anything other than infallible! We are geniuses who see all and are never wrong!!" I really don't like officials. Anyone who wants to be one at that level... I dunno, I think you probably got farts in your brain or something. Funny thing is the replacement REFs were as good if not better than the current clowns. I watched that entire season and it was the same BS as now. Edited December 3, 2023 by Real McClappy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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