2023 offense has potential to be best in Bills history

[Success]

This was a sneaky good offseason for our offense.

 

Kincaid brings a versatility we didn't have at TE, and will create match-up nightmares for opposing DC's.  The additions of Sherfield and Harty were low key, but give us even more versatility, speed, YAC - and all 3 new additions have great hands, which is something we lacked in '22.

 

Then you go to the RB unit. Damien Harris is the best RB we have had in years, with Cook coming into his 2nd year after coming on strong at the end of last season.  They complement each other well.

 

If Davis can get back to form, and Brown takes the leap and realizes his potential - this team could have the best offense in the league, and the best we've seen in Buffalo.  And I loved the K-Gun days, but this O could be better.

[CA OC Bills Fan]

I was thinking last night while many were pointing out that we now have two TEs with DK initials that back in 1989 we introduced a new offence named "K Gun" which was named after our dynamic pass catching TE Keith McKeller. Now of course we have two more 'Ks'.

[C.Biscuit97]

I mean sure but we have had some awesome offenses. I like the optimism but the rb room leaves a lot to be desired and we need a legit #2 receiver. However without a doubt, it is possibly our best TE room next to mark campbell and Tim Euhus!!!

 

[Big Turk]

I think the Bills now have answers for pretty much whatever a defense wants to try and do where they will basically be wrong no matter what and it's a pick your poison situation for DCs.

[Bangarang]

Maybe. We’ll see.

[That's No Moon]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I think the Bills now have answers for pretty much whatever a defense wants to try and do where they will basically be wrong no matter what and it's a pick your poison situation for DCs.

The line is still a giant question.

[GustheDog33]

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

The line is still a giant question.

 

I think we will be pleasantly surprised.

[Process]

If the season started tomorrow, the offense is already significantly better than last year. We have upgraded LG, Slot WR, WR5, RB and "TE2". Added speed, added a potentially elite weapon. I really like what Beane has done. 

 

It wasn't a great FA/draft for teams needing a starting WR. So I am good adding Kinclaid and waiting until next year. 

 

To me though, replacing Brown was a must, not a luxury. Doesn't matter who is running routes if Josh is running for his life. 

 

Maybe it's coming in round 2. But if we are running it back with Brown, I hope he proves Beane right. 

[ngbills]

With JA anything is possible. But there is nothing we have done this off season to take a best ever leap. Still questions on OL, WR, RB. If they go get DHop I could entertain the debate. 

[Bockeye]

Fun fact - the 2022 Buffalo Bills put up the 3rd highest point total for any Bills team ever - So we’re not far off. 
 

Don’t get me wrong, a lot was Josh Allen improvising and our offense seemed disjointed quite often, but still - we put up points.  
 

Having said this, I completely agree with your premise - 2nd year for Dorsey and Shakir, Kincaid, better RB group, etc. 

[Beast]

We still have a mediocre LT in Dawkins, a who knows what at RT with Spencer Brown and a whole lot of interior o-line questions.

 

Our weapons sure are nice.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Beast

[No_Matter_What]

I tend to agree but I still want to see an OL help to be drafted today in the 2nd.

[Buffalo Boy]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

We still have a mediocre LT in Dawkins, a who knows what at RT with Spencer Brown and a whole lot of interior o-line questions.

This!

Calm Josh with ONE second of extra time behind a decent line would be great.

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, Process said:

If the season started tomorrow, the offense is already significantly better than last year. We have upgraded LG, Slot WR, WR5, RB and "TE2". Added speed, added a potentially elite weapon. I really like what Beane has done. 

 

It wasn't a great FA/draft for teams needing a starting WR. So I am good adding Kinclaid and waiting until next year. 

 

To me though, replacing Brown was a must, not a luxury. Doesn't matter who is running routes if Josh is running for his life. 

 

Maybe it's coming in round 2. But if we are running it back with Brown, I hope he proves Beane right. 

I am hopeful. But none of the upgrades you mention would fall in the sure thing bucket. The WR room could be better or could be worse. We added fringe level players hoping they take a leap not superstars. OL we upgraded our G position but doesn’t help if we still have issues at T. The unit as a whole is not drastically better even on paper. The TE position should be better, but again we are banking on an unknown. We have seen rookie TE take awhile to develop. The RB room could be worse without Motor. We will see how Cook develops. 

[buffblue]

25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean sure but we have had some awesome offenses. I like the optimism but the rb room leaves a lot to be desired and we need a legit #2 receiver. However without a doubt, it is possibly our best TE room next to mark campbell and Tim Euhus!!!

 

I was a bigger fan of Derek Schouman, Derek Fine, and Shawn Nelson

[Fleezoid]

[JerseyBills]

37 minutes ago, Success said:

This was a sneaky good offseason for our offense.

 

Kincaid brings a versatility we didn't have at TE, and will create match-up nightmares for opposing DC's.  The additions of Sherfield and Harty were low key, but give us even more versatility, speed, YAC - and all 3 new additions have great hands, which is something we lacked in '22.

 

Then you go to the RB unit. Damien Harris is the best RB we have had in years, with Cook coming into his 2nd year after coming on strong at the end of last season.  They complement each other well.

 

If Davis can get back to form, and Brown takes the leap and realizes his potential - this team could have the best offense in the league, and the best we've seen in Buffalo.  And I loved the K-Gun days, but this O could be better.

Hardy is going to be a Problem.  I believe he'll explode on the scene in this O and was a steal of a contract.

He already gives our O another dimension added with his speed, now with Kinclaid, you're right, this O is going to be even more brutal for DCs to gameplan for and stop. 

Love Harris too, just hope he stays healthy. 

But we're so much better than last year , where we led the league in many offensive categories and were top 3 in nearly all. 

Also Hines who can FLY will have a full off-season and should be more involved.  We got some ballers

[harryS]

can we block?

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Success said:

This was a sneaky good offseason for our offense.

 

Kincaid brings a versatility we didn't have at TE, and will create match-up nightmares for opposing DC's.  The additions of Sherfield and Harty were low key, but give us even more versatility, speed, YAC - and all 3 new additions have great hands, which is something we lacked in '22.

 

Then you go to the RB unit. Damien Harris is the best RB we have had in years, with Cook coming into his 2nd year after coming on strong at the end of last season.  They complement each other well.

 

If Davis can get back to form, and Brown takes the leap and realizes his potential - this team could have the best offense in the league, and the best we've seen in Buffalo.  And I loved the K-Gun days, but this O could be better.

I think it has immense potential for sure, my 3 remaining offensive question marks IMHO are:  OL, Dorsey and Harris staying healthy.  
 

I totally agree this has been a sneaky good off season, especially for the offense.  I’ve been saying Sherfield and Harty are better signings than some think in terms of upgrades to last year.  And now adding Kincaid really brings the opportunity to create a lot of mismatches. 
 

And while I do think we made some solid OL moves, hoping we still add one more piece in the draft.  We got Josh a new weapon, so hoping one of our 2 picks gets him some more protection too.  
 

With the new prices it’s now on Dorsey to get them all involved.  And for me, that was one of his biggest weak points last year, using the talent we had.  But it was just his first season, and the one great thing about Kincaid being a first round pick is that the pressure will be on Dorsey to get him involved.

 

Love the Harris signing, just a little worried about him staying healthy as he has struggled with that.  More so for the cold weather games where I don’t love the idea of having to lean on Cook and Hines later in the season where the weather gets bad for us. 

Edited April 28, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[wppete]

If they somehow get Hopkins also this off-season then we would be a one of the best offenses in the NFL 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

29 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean sure but we have had some awesome offenses. I like the optimism but the rb room leaves a lot to be desired and we need a legit #2 receiver. However without a doubt, it is possibly our best TE room next to mark campbell and Tim Euhus!!!

 

Davis is a legit WR#2. Can he play better? Yes. Would Hopkins be an upgrade? Yes. Should Bills still add another WR to push him and/or plan for 2024? Perhaps. Is Davis good enough for 2023? I think so.

I would be fine drafting a WR but I see competition at RT and long term planning for C and LT as a bigger need in the next two rounds.  And that doesn't even address MLB, DT, and edge. 

[SCBills]

26 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean sure but we have had some awesome offenses. I like the optimism but the rb room leaves a lot to be desired and we need a legit #2 receiver. However without a doubt, it is possibly our best TE room next to mark campbell and Tim Euhus!!!

 

Im honestly fine at RB.  Cook, Harris and Hines works for me.  That’s a talented room, imo.   Maybe round out the room with another bruiser back on Day 3 or UDFA. 

 

TE, we may have the most talented room in the NFL with Knox’s potential and the addition of Kincaid.  I’m not saying the best, as it’s all potential, but it’s a filthy room now. 
 

WR, I’d still like another legit outside receiver.  Kincaid, Diggs, Shakir and Harty will eat up a ton of slot snaps.    Mingo would be a home run .. or Hyatt to give us the speed element.  I know we have Harty, but I need to see him able to make it through a season before I rely on him.  
 

OL is the only question I have.  If Brown makes the jump, sky is the limit for this Offense.  If he doesn’t … well, I don’t want to think about our OL being an issue … again.   I feel fairly confident with the other spots, along with our depth, and Year 2 of Kromer.   Could use a stud OL piece, as KC, CIN, MIA all seem to have that guy or in KC’s case guy(s) plural.. but not sure we are in range to take one of the top IOL remaining. 

[ddaryl]

The question really comes down to 3 things ....

1.) Dorsey / scheme

 

2.) Can Allen Adapt to a higher % passing game

 

3.) OL upgrades 

with #1 we have 2 possibly Dynamic TE's that can cause mismatches, but Dorsey has to draw up those X and O's

with #2 Allen likes the long ball but that came with stalled drives, and sacks. I don't want or exepct Allen to give up his forte', but finding and taking the underneath stuff just to keep the chains moving is a place where Allen can improve upon....  this relies a lot on #1 

#3 is really the engine that makes it all work, we have to be much better here compared to last year

Edited April 28, 2023 by ddaryl

[hondo in seattle]

18 minutes ago, Beast said:

We still have a mediocre LT in Dawkins, a who knows what at RT with Spencer Brown and a whole lot of interior o-line questions.

 

Our weapons sure are nice.

 

Dorsey has a ton of weapons.  Besides the wideouts, he's got TEs and RBs who can catch.  We've got size, speed, and soft hands.  And, for a pass-first team, Harris is a fine starting RB.  

 

But the OL is below average. 

 

And then there's Dorsey himself.  Can he design an offense that succeeds despite the shortcomings on the offensive line?  Will he know how to optimize the production of his varied weapons?  Like others, I'm waiting, with fingers crossed, to see.  

[nucci]

Nothing sneaky about it. Everything was made public. 

[90sBills]

Love the pick! Another weapon for the Allen. Best offense potential? Let’s slow down on that. Cincy and KC added more pass rushers. Bills line is going to be a problem. 

[TampaBillsJunkie]

On paper, we are better on offense. If Dorsey can create and call the right plays, we can be top #5 in the league no problem.  Josh getting the ball out quicker will help, so OL really needs to step up. If we are solid in the trenches, then its top #2

[Process]

20 minutes ago, wppete said:

If they somehow get Hopkins also this off-season then we would be a one of the best offenses in the NFL 

If the Bills do absolutely nothing the rest of off-season, they would be one of the best offenses in the NFL, lol. 

 

At this point, I'm out on Hopkins. With the pieces we have, a good RT would be significantly more valuable to this team than Hopkins. 

[Success]

38 minutes ago, Process said:

If the season started tomorrow, the offense is already significantly better than last year. We have upgraded LG, Slot WR, WR5, RB and "TE2". Added speed, added a potentially elite weapon. I really like what Beane has done. 

 

It wasn't a great FA/draft for teams needing a starting WR. So I am good adding Kinclaid and waiting until next year. 

 

To me though, replacing Brown was a must, not a luxury. Doesn't matter who is running routes if Josh is running for his life. 

 

Maybe it's coming in round 2. But if we are running it back with Brown, I hope he proves Beane right. 

 

I agree on Brown.  I am hopeful he makes the leap and fulfills that potential he has - but we can't bank on that.  It would be too much of a roll of the dice w/ everything that's at stake right now.

 

I do anticipate we'll see OL in 1 of the next 2 picks.

 

[BillsFanSD]

There's enough talent on offense for this team to be extremely good on that side of the ball.  I don't know if we have enough talent at OC to take full advantage.  We need for Dorsey to take a big step up this year.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Process said:

If the Bills do absolutely nothing the rest of off-season, they would be one of the best offenses in the NFL, lol. 

 

At this point, I'm out on Hopkins. With the pieces we have, a good RT would be significantly more valuable to this team than Hopkins. 

Can’t believe I’m saying this, but after drafting Kincaid, I think I’d rather go WR tonight and be set at weaponry for the ‘23 season / also set up well for the future... forget about Hopkins.. if he goes to KC, so be it. 
 

Maybe use any money we may have thought about freeing up for DHop’s contract on a vet pass rusher if we can’t meaningfully upgrade the DL. 

[Jerome007]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

and a whole lot of interior o-line questions.

Connor McGovern is a drastic improvement in pass protection

 

The Bills are so stacked on offense that the key factor, after JA17, is Dorsey

Edited April 28, 2023 by Jerome007

[mjt328]

We will see.  Many of us had record-setting hopes for the 2022 offense, and things didn't quite work out that way.

 

- Ken Dorsey had pretty bad struggles in his first year as OC

- Josh Allen wasn't able to stay on the level he played during the postseason

- Gabe Davis wasn't quite ready for the #2 WR role

- Cole Beasley was more important than most realized

- Rodger Saffold was not the upgrade we hoped for at LG

- Spencer Brown failed to take a step forward in development

 

Our hopes for improvement are pinned heavily on Dorsey figuring things out, and our "low-key" free agent signings being diamonds in the rough.

 

[BullBuchanan]

The last 3 seasons the Bills have had 3 of their best 5 all time offenses. How has that worked out when the games actually mattered?

Our offense generally hasn't been a problem outside of Allen's elbow injury. How much better do we get by adding more pass catchers? If the goal was to take pressure off of Allen, this just puts more on him, imo.

Maybe if we had some players that could win games for us even when Allen wasn't playing MVP ball, that would finally get us over the hump.

Edited April 28, 2023 by BullBuchanan

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said:

There's enough talent on offense for this team to be extremely good on that side of the ball.  I don't know if we have enough talent at OC to take full advantage.  We need for Dorsey to take a big step up this year.

 

Dorsey looked like a genius for the first half of last season.  I began the year with huge concerns about the OL - as well as lesser worries about our RB room - yet Dorsey generated tons of points.  I was super impressed.  Then Josh's elbow happened.  But it also seemed like defenses caught on to us.  Opponents sometimes said they knew what we were doing, Gabe's routes were predictable, and so on.  And Dorsey's inability to productively integrate Hines and Cook was worrisome, too.  

 

But I've heard coaches say that coordinators often improve a lot from Year 1 to Year 2.  I'm hoping.  I wish the OL was better, but Dorsey certainly has weapons at the skill positions.  

 

 

[Ramza86]

No blocking....no success.

This team wont succeed int he playoffs 

 

[In Summary]

2 hours ago, Success said:

this team could have the best offense in the league, and the best we've seen in Buffalo.  And I loved the K-Gun days, but this O could be better.

Show me a better OL and I'll buy in.

[Dopey]

12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The last 3 seasons the Bills have had 3 of their best 5 all time offenses. How has that worked out when the games actually mattered?

Our offense generally hasn't been a problem outside of Allen's elbow injury. How much better do we get by adding more pass catchers? If the goal was to take pressure off of Allen, this just puts more on him, imo.

Maybe if we had some players that could win games for us even when Allen wasn't playing MVP ball, that would finally get us over the hump.

Adding another weapon puts more pressure on Allen? OK, I'm Dopey and this has gone way over my head, but, what?

 

13-3 last year, even with an elbow injury to Josh that limited the types of throws he could manage. Josh injured his elbow during our loss to the Jets. Even with Josh not playing his best, we went on an 8 game winning streak after the injury, before the loss to the Bengals. This would include a playoff win with an inured Josh. We've got the players. Allen was hardly playing MVP ball after the injury. Not sure how you can't see it.

[Don Otreply]

Best?  Only if the O-line is top five, then plays can develop and #17 can pick apart defenses, jmo.