Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[NeverOutNick]

Lamar is going to have suitors and they’ll be from owners/GMs who love taking chances and are not that far from being playoff teams.
 

Here’s my top 5 Lamar destinations if he doesn’t get matched offer by Ravens:

 

1. Raiders
2. Jets if they don’t get Rodgers 
3. Colts
4. SF
5. Atlanta (just don’t buy that they’re out)

 

SF would be amazing to watch with Lamar under center and all of their RAC weapons. Just wow instant Super Bowl favorite and they could probably work out a trade without doing the two 1st round picks. Something like Lance and a couple second rounders.

 

Raiders, colts, jets and falcons ownership have all proven to spend money wrecklessly so why not 

[Gregg]

Look is also available for a trade now.

 

Dov Kleiman on Twitter: "The #Rams would "Love to trade" QB Matthew Stafford, according to @mlombardiNFL on the @PatMcAfeeShow “Matthew Stafford is fully available.” https://t.co/7woH61xlx9" / Twitter

[Virgil]

4 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Look is also available for a trade now.

 

Dov Kleiman on Twitter: "The #Rams would "Love to trade" QB Matthew Stafford, according to @mlombardiNFL on the @PatMcAfeeShow “Matthew Stafford is fully available.” https://t.co/7woH61xlx9" / Twitter

 

Baker is a lot cheaper and seemed to do the job okay

Edited March 9, 2023 by Virgil

[dollars 2 donuts]

42 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Look is also available for a trade now.

 

Dov Kleiman on Twitter: "The #Rams would "Love to trade" QB Matthew Stafford, according to @mlombardiNFL on the @PatMcAfeeShow “Matthew Stafford is fully available.” https://t.co/7woH61xlx9" / Twitter

 

38 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Baker is a lot cheaper and seemed to do the job okay

 

 

As I live and breath, guys, I knew this as many of you likely did, as well.

 

I just could not see Stafford back with the Rams even before he got injured, but the injury didn't help.

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

I for one would never "carry water" for NFL owners and GMs.

 

That being said this Lamar stuff has been going on for a long time, so any team that would have interest would already know

if they were interested in a $250M fully guaranteed contract.  Do fans actually believe that none of these GMs considered the

possibility of the Ravens tagging Lamar with a non-exclusive?

 

As soon as the tag went up the media is all over these guys asking, "Are you interested in Jackson for those numbers"?

They just answered as I would have.  No.

 

[Augie]

21 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

I for one would never "carry water" for NFL owners and GMs.

 

That being said this Lamar stuff has been going on for a long time, so any team that would have interest would already know

if they were interested in a $250M fully guaranteed contract.  Do fans actually believe that none of these GMs considered the

possibility of the Ravens tagging Lamar with a non-exclusive?

 

As soon as the tag went up the media is all over these guys asking, "Are you interested in Jackson for those numbers"?

They just answered as I would have.  No.

 

 

I don’t blame him for asking, and I don’t blame teams for saying “no thanks, that’s a bad deal for us”.  There doesn’t need to be collusion, just like we don’t all need to get together and collectively decide not to play in traffic. We can figure out independently that that would be a bad idea. Especially with his recent injury history and questions about his heart. 

 

I feel badly for Lamar on some level. I don’t think this would be happening if he had qualified representation. Mommy is doing him no favors, it seems. He was apparently offered a deal similar to what the other QB’s not named Watson got. That seems generous for a guy who has missed 15 games over the last couple seasons. He might be the LAST guy I’d give a fully guaranteed deal to. (Tua might be another.)

 

Oh, and to those people who say it just saves the billionaire owners money, that’s just not true. It’s just that the money is spent on a bunch of different guys, not just one guy. The money gets spent regardless. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

 

As I live and breath, guys, I knew this as many of you likely did, as well.

 

I just could not see Stafford back with the Rams even before he got injured, but the injury didn't help.

 

 

 

Stafford has 130,000,000 guaranteed reasons to come back tho

 

It's a worse deal than paying Lamar $270M fully guaranteed imo because of how old and beat up Stafford was when they signed it. Lamar has been injured, but at least he should  have 5 more years playing ahead of him. Stafford barely had 5 months left.

 

 

Edited March 9, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t blame him for asking, and I don’t blame teams for saying “no thanks, that’s a bad deal for us”.  There doesn’t need to be collusion, just like we don’t all need to get together and collectively decide not to play in traffic. We can figure out independently that that would be a bad idea. Especially with his recent injury history and questions about his heart. 

 

I feel badly for Lamar on some level. I don’t think this would be happening if he had qualified representation. Mommy is doing him no favors, it seems. He was apparently offered a deal similar to what the other QB’s not named Watson got. That seems generous for a guy who has missed 15 games over the last couple seasons. He might be the LAST guy I’d give a fully guaranteed deal to. (Tua might be another.)

 

Oh, and to those people who say it just saves the billionaire owners money, that’s just not true. It’s just that the money is spent on a bunch of different guys, not just one guy. The money gets spent regardless. 

 

It's why during all this contract stuff I don't feel sorry for him.

 

I've said this already too many times, he could have signed a bigger contract than Josh right after Allen signed.

 

Allen has money in the world of finance working for him.  Lamar, not so much.

Allen has endorsements and will get a lot more.  Lamar, not near as many as an MVP should.

Allen can play football and not worry about money.  Lamar, well..............

Allen suffers a career ending injury, he's still set for life.  Lamar, not near as much as Josh.

 

I truly just don't get him.  He's not doing himself any favors AND the team that took a chance on him and set him up to succeed.

 

[cle23]

6 hours ago, The Red King said:

PSA for the day, yelling and insulting does not in any way make you right.  We're all being calm, while you're going on like you pounded a Red Bull after dumping ten Pixie Sticks in.  Try to keep it civil, please.

 

That aside, most, if not all of us think there is nothing wrong with Lamar chasing the $$$.  Given the Watson deal he's well within his right.

 

I think we're looking at it wrong.  There may well be collusion, but are they colluding against Jackson, or against contracts like Watson's?  In other words were it another QB looking for the same contract, would this still be playing out the same way?  I believe so.  If Jackson were asking for a normal, reasonable contract, would he still be looking for work?  Of course not.

 

The owners are colluding against contracts like Watson's, not against Lamar.

 

Just grouping up and agreeing not to have contracts like that are colluding all the same.  That's the point.  You can't have 32 owners get together to discuss contracts between 1 player and 1 team, no matter the players.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

Just grouping up and agreeing not to have contracts like that are colluding all the same.  That's the point.  You can't have 32 owners get together to discuss contracts between 1 player and 1 team, no matter the players.

 

And Im not sure it even needs to be all 32 teams. I think even 2 teams talking and agreeing on limits or structure would trigger some action by the NFLPA.

[TheFunPolice]

I'm rooting for Lamar and want him to get a bigger contract than Watson because IMO he deserves it. The way Lamar plays and the way teams use him in their offense it makes sense to want the guaranteed money. 

 

From the team side, you're probably paying it out anyway. 

 

Plus it's more interesting to me if he goes to another team. It's a story. Same with Rodgers. 

Edited March 9, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[ChrisWatson#21]

If guys like Watson, Jackson, Carr and Jones are going to be making THAT much money business must be good for the league.  Guess those gambling apps going mainstream were game-changers for the NFL. 

[sullim4]

This whole situation can be boiled down to the fact that he doesn't have an agent.

 

All of this was completely avoidable if he had someone competent representing him.  Lamar's mom is not that person.

[BarleyNY]

7 hours ago, The Red King said:

PSA for the day, yelling and insulting does not in any way make you right.  We're all being calm, while you're going on like you pounded a Red Bull after dumping ten Pixie Sticks in.  Try to keep it civil, please.

 

That aside, most, if not all of us think there is nothing wrong with Lamar chasing the $$$.  Given the Watson deal he's well within his right.

 

I think we're looking at it wrong.  There may well be collusion, but are they colluding against Jackson, or against contracts like Watson's?  In other words were it another QB looking for the same contract, would this still be playing out the same way?  I believe so.  If Jackson were asking for a normal, reasonable contract, would he still be looking for work?  Of course not.

 

The owners are colluding against contracts like Watson's, not against Lamar.

 

Definitely the owners sending a message regarding lengthy, fully guaranteed contracts for QBs. Seems as though they’re trying to keep those guarantees to 3 years.

 

That doesn’t necessarily mean there is any formal collusion though. Everyone knows that the vast majority of owners don’t want QBs to get that. It would bleed into other positions and eventually become part of negotiations - and it would be an obstacle to the less incredibly wealthy owners retaining top talent like franchise QBs. 

 

I am a little surprised that one of the wealthier owners isn’t going to use this opportunity to find their QB though.  

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Definitely the owners sending a message regarding lengthy, fully guaranteed contracts for QBs. Seems as though they’re trying to keep those guarantees to 3 years.

 

That doesn’t necessarily mean there is any formal collusion though. Everyone knows that the vast majority of owners don’t want QBs to get that. It would bleed into other positions and eventually become part of negotiations - and it would be an obstacle to the less incredibly wealthy owners retaining top talent like franchise QBs. 

 

I am a little surprised that one of the wealthier owners isn’t going to use this opportunity to find their QB though.  

If he hadn’t missed the end of the past 2 seasons it might be a different story. 

[Gugny]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

If he hadn’t missed the end of the past 2 seasons it might be a different story. 

 

Being historically bad in the playoffs also isn't helping any.

[Chaos]

49 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Being historically bad in the playoffs also isn't helping any.

But he really really really wants to be the highest paid player

[stuvian]

this could take until July to play out

[dollars 2 donuts]

19 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Stafford has 130,000,000 guaranteed reasons to come back tho

 

It's a worse deal than paying Lamar $270M fully guaranteed imo because of how old and beat up Stafford was when they signed it. Lamar has been injured, but at least he should  have 5 more years playing ahead of him. Stafford barely had 5 months left.

 

 

 

Right!

 

It stinks, Dr., when you sign an older guy for more than 100 million dollars (per year, what?  I don't know, let's say $19 million - $21 million, no, how about $19.75 mill to $20.25 mill, somewhere around there jsut for an example) and then he isn't even healthy enough to play.

 

I feel bad for those teams.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2023 by dollars 2 donuts

[NyQuil]

I’m not crazy, his MVP season was three years ago right?

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, NyQuil said:

I’m not crazy, his MVP season was three years ago right?

It was 2019, so I guess it depends on which season you consider us to be in right now.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, NyQuil said:

I’m not crazy, his MVP season was three years ago right?

 

It was actually 4 years ago.  And his last full season playing was 3 years ago.

[BillMafia716ix]

Lamar messed up playing this past season I would have sat out. But it’s wild that so many QB needy teams would rather gamble with a rookie QB than sign a proven winner in the prime of his career. 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Lamar messed up playing this past season I would have sat out. But it’s wild that so many QB needy teams would rather gamble with a rookie QB than sign a proven winner in the prime of his career. 

 

You think he would have strengthened his "I want a fully guaranteed contract" position by sitting out last season after missing the last 5 games plus at least 1 playoff game of the previous season?  He had no idea he'd get injured again and miss the same number of games again.  All of which in addition to having to give up 2-1st round picks are making teams shy away from trying to acquire him.

[mikemac2001]

6 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Lamar messed up playing this past season I would have sat out. But it’s wild that so many QB needy teams would rather gamble with a rookie QB than sign a proven winner in the prime of his career. 

He’s on a well coached team that schemed for him he hasn’t won big playoff games and is injury prone - he botched this deal and should fire his agent because he cost himself a lot of money I think he gets less cash now and if plays on franchise I could see it going worse 

[NyQuil]

2 hours ago, mikemac2001 said:

He’s on a well coached team that schemed for him he hasn’t won big playoff games and is injury prone - he botched this deal and should fire his agent because he cost himself a lot of money I think he gets less cash now and if plays on franchise I could see it going worse 

His agent is his mom.

[mikemac2001]

1 hour ago, NyQuil said:

His agent is his mom.

Ya I know this - that’s why I keep saying it 

[Albany,n.y.]

Turned down Ravens offer of 3 years $133 million fully guaranteed. 

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Turned down Ravens offer of 3 years $133 million fully guaranteed. 

Does his tweet mean that, or that he might want that or maybe had just agreed to that deal?  The way it came off I thought he was saying that to refute the false claims of what he wanted or may have turned down.  But I didn’t look at it closely either cuz I don’t really care about his contract situation.  

Edited March 14, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Does his tweet mean that, or that he might want that or maybe had just agreed to that deal?  The way it came off I thought he was saying that to refute the false claims of what he wanted or may have turned down.  But I didn’t look at it closely either cuz I don’t really care about his contract situation.  

 

Going on Twitter and telling an average american who's probably making less than 60K a year he just turned down 133M guaranteed is always a good thing, what could go wrong?

[Mr. WEO]

On 3/9/2023 at 3:43 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Stafford has 130,000,000 guaranteed reasons to come back tho

 

It's a worse deal than paying Lamar $270M fully guaranteed imo because of how old and beat up Stafford was when they signed it. Lamar has been injured, but at least he should  have 5 more years playing ahead of him. Stafford barely had 5 months left.

 

 

 

Rams are screwed with Stafford.  Won 3 games out of 9 last year (10 TDs, 9 INTs)....then got injured.

[Behindenemylines]

Can’t recall where I read it but Lamar may sit out this year and not sign the tag-if that’s possible. 
 

what happens to his value then?  I would think it tanks.  I mean has sitting out ever actually worked?  
 

 

[QLBillsFan]

On 3/11/2023 at 7:54 AM, BillMafia716ix said:

Lamar messed up playing this past season I would have sat out. But it’s wild that so many QB needy teams would rather gamble with a rookie QB than sign a proven winner in the prime of his career. 

What has he proven for a guarantee $133M 3 year deal? He continues to refuse to get an agent even though he brags about this offer he turned down.  He wants more than that! His value isn’t worth his ask. And he’s demonstrating a huge self awareness maturity issue. And he’s getting the same result. No contract. For an oft injured 1-3 playoff qb that has to have an O created around his skill set. He’s a good qb (8-12) but many going back to his draft year aren’t convinced he’s a SB qb. 

[Nextmanup]

17 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

Can’t recall where I read it but Lamar may sit out this year and not sign the tag-if that’s possible. 
 

what happens to his value then?  I would think it tanks.  I mean has sitting out ever actually worked?  
 

 

I have no idea if sitting out ever worked, but his value isn't going to tank.

 

He'll be snatched up by someone, for big bucks, when he becomes available.

 

He's clearly done in Baltimore.

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, Behindenemylines said:

Can’t recall where I read it but Lamar may sit out this year and not sign the tag-if that’s possible. 
 

what happens to his value then?  I would think it tanks.  I mean has sitting out ever actually worked?  
 

 

 

Not sure, but I don't think it would help in terms of value. Not 100% sure, but doesn't agent(s) normally advise against sitting out a year in these type situations? Considering he doesn't have an agent though, curious how it ends up if he hurts himself much more than help himself with this.

[RoyBatty is alive]

25 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

What has he proven for a guarantee $133M 3 year deal? He continues to refuse to get an agent even though he brags about this offer he turned down.  He wants more than that! His value isn’t worth his ask. And he’s demonstrating a huge self awareness maturity issue. And he’s getting the same result. No contract. For an oft injured 1-3 playoff qb that has to have an O created around his skill set. He’s a good qb (8-12) but many going back to his draft year aren’t convinced he’s a SB qb. 

Nothing beyond league MVP and leading his team in rushing and passing every year.

 

Worth is what any team will pay for him, as simple as that.

 

You are correct, he is oft injured and a maturity issue.  If he persists in insisting on being a Raven and the highest paid QB, then no team will likely bend to his wishes.

[starrymessenger]

I wonder what happens when later this afternoon nobody beats a path to his door ready to give him whatever he wants. So maybe he signs the franchise tag and stays in Baltimore. I don't think sitting out the year is in his best interests. 
I think maybe his MVP went to his head. 

[appoo]

7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Nothing beyond league MVP and leading his team in rushing and passing every year.

 

Worth is what any team will pay for him, as simple as that.

 

You are correct, he is oft injured and a maturity issue.  If he persists in insisting on being a Raven and the highest paid QB, then no team will likely bend to his wishes.

Also one of the highest rated QBs from inside the pocket last season without a real NFL WR Corps.

 

Dude is elite.  Also, where are the maturity issues? Everything I've read about him is that he is one of the best dudes in the league as a star

Edited March 14, 2023 by appoo

[Albany,n.y.]

41 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

Can’t recall where I read it but Lamar may sit out this year and not sign the tag-if that’s possible. 
 

what happens to his value then?  I would think it tanks.  I mean has sitting out ever actually worked?  
 

 

Even though he got paid the year he sat out, it worked for Watson.  

[appoo]

8 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

I wonder what happens when later this afternoon nobody beats a path to his door ready to give him whatever he wants. So maybe he signs the franchise tag and stays in Baltimore. I don't think sitting out the year is in his best interests. 
I think maybe his MVP went to his head. 

There's a huge collusion whiff coming from LJ and the Owners that has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with that insanely stupid contract the Browns paid for Watson. 

 

The NFL Owners believe building on that contract would break the Salary Cap as its currently structured - they're probably not wrong either - but if they are collectively black balling Lamar because they don't want to pay any QB more than what Watson got, that's really unfair to LJ, who's done nothing but earn being a top 5 QB, after being told he should be a WR coming into the draft.

 

Like, LJ is the kind of person you WANT being the face of the league. 

 

Young, Charismatic, the local population absolutely loves him as a human being, philanthropic minded, personable, funny, and a truly special athlete and QB. They're picking on the wrong dude here. He's essentially the opposite of Jay Cutler

Edited March 14, 2023 by appoo