Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 17 hours ago, first_and_ten said: This is why the owners were so upset with the Browns, and I agree with them. Giving this pervert a guaranteed huge contract was moronic!! I don't blame Lamar at all. A healthy Lamar is worth more than Watson, but he made a big mistake stepping on the field last year without a new contract in place. Now this makes two years in a row he got hurt and couldn't finish the season. The ravens have just two decisions: Pay him a fully guaranteed contract or trade him for as much as you can get. I doubt he plays under a franchise tag. So how would that work under salary cap? The team would be committing $xx mil towards the 2023 cap. But if he didn't play at all, he wouldn't get paid. Would the Ravens then get that money credited back towards the 2024 cap? Would make it easy to tag him again as wouldn't cost that much more for 2nd year tag. Would it even be considered a 2nd year cap, could be a bog league NFLPA argument over that one. Believe too the rules changed in last CBA that he needs to report by week one to have the year count as accrued, used to be around week 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 10 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: nothing in your biased tangent has anything to do with my single comment about availability. Watson pouted for an entire season and was then hit with a lengthy suspension. I never said anything about either QBs’ respective abilities. But I’m the fool? Well that escalated quickly. I’m talking about Jackson.. playing and getting hurt.. and removing all doubt. I wouldn’t call you a fool. No personal attacks on you. Okay. 10 hours ago, Dopey said: Actually, the last time we saw Watson, he lost to N.O. Scoring all of 10 points. Missing the playoffs. The Browns did miss the playoffs, right? Talk about removing all doubt. Watson had a terrible 6 or 7 games last year. We’ll see how he looks going forward. The Browns are about twice as talented on offense as those Texans teams were, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Watson name another name for himself in 2023-24. Question is, what direction is Jackson headed in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 5 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: Yeah, but the Browns franchise doesn’t command the respect that Baltimore does. It means more if the Ravens were to shell out a fully guaranteed deal. I think the NFL is headed in that direction anyway with the upper echelon QBs. Their deals are virtually guaranteed anyway, unless something truly unexpected were to happen. That’s true and for good reason. But Jackson doesn’t need Baltimore to be the one to shell out for a Watson-adjacent deal, and frankly he probably doesn’t want them to given the way negotiations have gone to this point. But it only takes one other team to be willing to do so (franchise tag complications set aside) and in a QB starved league (especially in the NFC) he knows there’s an owner or two out there desperate and dimwitted like the Haslems who will pony up. Edited February 24 by JoPoy88 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Other owners are probably really happy with the Browns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 18 hours ago, SCBills said: I'm sure Lamar knows that some team will give him something like 50M per, fully guaranteed, 6-7 year contract. Easy for us to say that's crazy, given we have Josh Allen, but I'm sure quite a few would pay whatever it takes to someone like Lamar Jackson when we were wandering in the QB wilderness after Jim Kelly. Let's hope the Jets are that team. Kill their cap and deplete their picks... Woody Johnson said he'd do whatever it takes to bring in a top tier QB, didn't he? Lamar, debatable, but most would say he's that. Lamar is the "elite" QB that scares me the least. McFrazier seem to have a good recipe/gameplan for limiting him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Seriously, how freaking stupid are the Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 This is a play for Lamar to get out of Baltimore. I bet if he gets to go where he wants he’ll accept a more reasonable offer. Still in the 40’s per year, but not all guaranteed. He’s an idiot if he thinks he can strong arm any owner into that one. He’s from South FL, so how desperate is Ross to get him and drop Tia before they commit to Tua. Where they don’t have tons of cap but it is SW FL is Tampa. Brady’s gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said: So he wanted to play but not for the team for which he was contracted to play. He also made clear he would utilize his no trade clause to torpedo any deal he didn’t like (and to ensure he got the deal he liked from his new destination.) You can find a different verb other than “pout” I suppose to describe his actions, but it certainly seems appropriate to me. People in here are dumping on Jackson for allegedly refusing to play for his team through a documented injury late in the season, while a healthy Watson did something worse (among other, far worse, things.) It seemed like the Texans and league didn’t want him playing that season either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 17 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: He showed his character by playing at all. He risked playing and got injured believing the Ravens were going to do right by him. Lamar is a better QB than Murray/Wilson. The Ravens offered him a contract less than theirs. Total disrespect IMO. Lamar Jackson is the main reason Ravens stadium is filled. That alone should warrant the money funnt that the ppl defending him are commonly using watson, murray, and wilson as comparable situations lol i agree, but not for the reasons they think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said: So he wanted to play but not for the team for which he was contracted to play. He also made clear he would utilize his no trade clause to torpedo any deal he didn’t like (and to ensure he got the deal he liked from his new destination.) You can find a different verb other than “pout” I suppose to describe his actions, but it certainly seems appropriate to me. People in here are dumping on Jackson for allegedly refusing to play for his team through a documented injury late in the season, while a healthy Watson did something worse (among other, far worse, things.) were not discussing morality here. were talking talent on the field and being healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: were not discussing morality here. were talking talent on the field and being healthy “We” are? Thanks for framing that for all of us. i’ll try to stay within your lines. My reply was just concerning availability. Doesn’t really matter why. A statement was made that Jackson shouldn’t expect to get anything close to Watson due to missing some time injured. Well Watson missed a whole heap of time. Cleveland still shelled out. As far as talent goes, Watson looked like trash last year in his abbreviated season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 24 Author Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Mark80 said: Seriously, how freaking stupid are the Browns. Theres a theory, that’s likely wrong - but interesting, that states the Browns knew what they were doing and are actually genius because they knew who was coming up for deals next… Jackson, who they knew would demand the same deal, likely more… and Burrow, playing for a team that has money issues. Both in their division, both using the Watson deal as a template that becomes a major headache for their owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 12 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Idk. I’d take Lamar’s MVP year over Watsons best season. I don't think I'd take any other Jackson season over any other complete Watson season. Its been all down hill since Jackson's MVP season. If 2019 was prime Jackson, it was the shortest prime ever seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 I just don’t believe Jackson is worth 10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: One way to put things in perspective is to ask: would Bills fans prefer the Jets land Carr, or Lamar? Our answers (and rationale) to that will be revealing. (I'm not immediately sure which I prefer; my brain wants to shout out Lamar Jackson due to availability concerns and his less-than-optimal WR utilization (stunting Wilson's progression would be a bonus). I worry that Derrek Carr, under favorable conditions, can competently steer the Jets offense. Just as long as they keep him extra clean. For a guy who wants to be a leader, he sure does appear to wilt under duress.) I’d rather the Jets get Lamar. I’m not scared of either of them, the least being Jackson. Jackson is an exceptional athlete, but he is an average QB. I just don’t think he is a good enough QB to warrant contract numbers greater than watson. To that end, I definitely don’t believe watson is worth his contract numbers either. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBilliams Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 17 hours ago, CNYfan said: He may be, if he ends up on the Jets. Let him go to the Jets. You can't really restructure money the way other teams can. Jets pay Lamar what he wants, then these awesome players they just drafted comes up for deals and they can't pay them. I'm good with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidiehard Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 13 hours ago, Dopey said: Exactly. This is the reason I don’t resort to that kind of crap. I will say this: Once the regular season is over, players have been paid what the contract says. Playoff games are paid separate of the contract. He was essentially a free agent, with no guarantee other than the playoff check. From what I’ve read, he would have earned around $42k. Some here question his character and/or his intelligence. That was a smart move. If you reply that you would have played because you are a high character guy, you’re either lying or dumb as 💩. Think about it, if you get hurt, I guarantee your teammates that you fought for won’t pony up the potential $$ you would lose. Maybe they’ll start a gofundme for you. You keep saying you don't resort to that crap, yet you are are going to the other side that he was smart about it and played it well. You make assumptions that I would be lying or dumb as $h*t if I say I would have played. Well we know what happens when you assume. Too many examples of good to great players battling through injury with teammates in the playoffs to show that what Lamar did was selfish and undeserving of the contract he is asking for. On the other comment of him basically being a free agent as soon as the regular season ended is just a BS statement by someone looking to defend him. He becomes a free agent at the same time as everyone else, at the start of the new league year which is March 15th. Was he also getting paid to milk his injury at the end of the regular season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) Why not try, I don't blame him. The team ran his contact out it's also on them for waiting around and it just so happens another guy got a crazy payday. I don't care if he is worth it or not and we will know his real value when some one pays him. If he shoots for the stars and has to settle back down because no one will pay him that much so be it. If he gets that bag then good on him and momma. Edited February 24 by Lfod 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeaid Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, somnus00 said: Lamar is the "elite" QB that scares me the least. McFrazier seem to have a good recipe/gameplan for limiting him. He is the one who came up with strategy to contain him and frustrate him in playoffs which other teams copied. Isaiah McKenzie was used to emulate him in practice for that game. https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/01/inside-the-buffalo-bills-game-plan-that-shut-down-ravens-lamar-jackson.html Quote Jackson was under pressure all game long. According to ESPN’s NextGen stats, the Bills generated pressure on nearly 37% of Jackson’s drop backs. Hughes led the way with seven of his own. When the Bills sent six or more pass rushers, they generated QB pressure on nearly 56% of those plays. Quote Defensive end Trent Murphy was activated for just the second time since the Bills’ bye week in the middle of November because of an injury to second-year DE Darryl Johnson. Murphy helped set the edge and contain Jackson for all three quarters before he left with a concussion on the final play of the third quarter. Murphy had a tackle for a loss where he read Jackson’s fake on a zone read keeper and take him down. Murphy also put the hit on Jackson that ended his night after a bad snap. The key was while Bills were pressuring him on one side Murphy was doing contain on opposite side not allowing him to get our nor failing for fakes going into backfield and giving an escape valve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Jackson (who desperately needs to hire a quality agent) has to get it through his head that the Browns deal with Watson was an aberration and is accepted as such around the league -- and should not be viewed in any way as some sort of "starting point" in negotiations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 19 hours ago, Gregg said: Lamar should have taken the 250M/133M guaranteed. Yes. he should have signed right after Josh Allen did. He was offered more than Josh and 2 years would already have been serviced. Josh has already been paid over $85M with another $28M coming immediately when he gets restructured in a couple of weeks. Next month Josh also gets another $13.5M of his 2024 salary guaranteed AND $16.5M of his 2025 Roster Bonus! Let's not forget all the money Josh has already received (way more than Lamar's $32M) has been invested and is getting a return. Josh has zero fear if he has a devastating injury. Lamar stands to lose a boatload is he is injured playing under a tag. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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