JoPoy88 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said: Better to shut up and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.. Jackson has hurt himself (no pun intended) by playing and showing he’s now a fragile franny. Watson is/was a much different QB than Jackson, specifically.. Watson can throw. I don’t want to sound like a jerk, but anyone thinking Jackson can throw with the top half of NFL QBs is wrong. I’m over that silly discussion. The last time we saw Watson he was making plays and leading his team in the playoffs. He was absolutely a difference maker, and you’d be nitpicking to say he had flaws that hurt the Texans ROI. So here we have Jackson, the one dimensional (in a bad way) hurt QB vs Watson, a stud QB by every form of the definition. No comparison imo. nothing in your biased tangent has anything to do with my single comment about availability. Watson pouted for an entire season and was then hit with a lengthy suspension. I never said anything about either QBs’ respective abilities. But I’m the fool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: If I'm Baltimore, I'm tagging Lamar and telling him to come play 1 more year with the new OC, and if it goes well, I'll give him $300M all guaranteed. And if not, we'll let him hit FA and never tag him again. He’s just going to sand bag late in the year again under the tag. They ought to tag and trade at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said: Better to shut up and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.. Jackson has hurt himself (no pun intended) by playing and showing he’s now a fragile franny. Watson is/was a much different QB than Jackson, specifically.. Watson can throw. I don’t want to sound like a jerk, but anyone thinking Jackson can throw with the top half of NFL QBs is wrong. I’m over that silly discussion. The last time we saw Watson he was making plays and leading his team in the playoffs. He was absolutely a difference maker, and you’d be nitpicking to say he had flaws that hurt the Texans ROI. So here we have Jackson, the one dimensional (in a bad way) hurt QB vs Watson, a stud QB by every form of the definition. No comparison imo. Actually, the last time we saw Watson, he lost to N.O. Scoring all of 10 points. Missing the playoffs. The Browns did miss the playoffs, right? Talk about removing all doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 One way to put things in perspective is to ask: would Bills fans prefer the Jets land Carr, or Lamar? Our answers (and rationale) to that will be revealing. (I'm not immediately sure which I prefer; my brain wants to shout out Lamar Jackson due to availability concerns and his less-than-optimal WR utilization (stunting Wilson's progression would be a bonus). I worry that Derrek Carr, under favorable conditions, can competently steer the Jets offense. Just as long as they keep him extra clean. For a guy who wants to be a leader, he sure does appear to wilt under duress.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Honestly I don't see the big deal. Lamar will be signed to a massive 4 year deal anyway. What are the odds he won't be 'the guy', where ever he is, for the next 4 years? This is more about the league not wanting to set a precedent for fully guaranteed contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Honestly I don't see the big deal. Lamar will be signed to a massive 4 year deal anyway. What are the odds he won't be 'the guy', where ever he is, for the next 4 years? This is more about the league not wanting to set a precedent for fully guaranteed contracts. Unfortunately for them one of their own owners already set that precedent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said: Unfortunately for them one of their own owners already set that precedent. Yeah, but the Browns franchise doesn’t command the respect that Baltimore does. It means more if the Ravens were to shell out a fully guaranteed deal. I think the NFL is headed in that direction anyway with the upper echelon QBs. Their deals are virtually guaranteed anyway, unless something truly unexpected were to happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 10 hours ago, Don Otreply said: So, it appears that he wants out of Baltimore…, Was thinking the same thing. He doesn't want to be there, but if they pay him what he wants, he'll stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 remember when some here and on WGR wanted to draft Lamar? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Lamar IMO is not getting any team to the promised land. Not ever. Good QB, blah blah, but, eg. RGIII was better than him when healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: nothing in your biased tangent has anything to do with my single comment about availability. Watson pouted for an entire season and was then hit with a lengthy suspension. I never said anything about either QBs’ respective abilities. But I’m the fool? No pouting. The Texans were not going to put Watson on the field in 2021. Him sitting but getting fully paid for the season was a negotiated settlement between him and the Texans - and blessed by the league. He wanted to play, but not for the Texans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 14 hours ago, Jauronimo said: They offered him what is overwhelmingly considered to be a fair and generous offer and he turned it down. I do not fault the Ravens if they are no longer interested in wasting their time negotiating with a delusional amateur who insists on representing himself to his own detriment. Heard an interesting point on Sirius NFL Radio today. Maybe Lamar has, in fact, tried to get an agent. Maybe he has interviewed a couple. And no agent will take him. If lamar starts agent interviews with "I want a fully guaranteed contract like Watson. Nothing Less" then none of the top agents would sign up for that, waste a couple months trying for the impossible, then have their reputations tarnished when they got fired and/or quit repping Lamar. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Is it possible that Lamar Jackson's career is over because he's just plain stubborn and unrealistic? It is not over. But, he is being extremely stubborn and unrealistic and it is negatively effecting his career. He does not have an agent, correct? Another example of being stubborn and counting every penny. Rarely can someone double dip both ends AND win. He seems to not be the exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Tag him and move on. This next year is critical in determining who he is moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 16 hours ago, SCBills said: Two things can be true. 1) He is twice the QB Watson is. 2) Baltimore should absolutely not give him the contract he is asking for. Before Watson's suspension, he was a pretty darn good QB. He was a more complete passer for sure. Jackson's uniqueness is purely and simply his running ability of which a couple more injuries to his wheels.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Was thinking the same thing. He doesn't want to be there, but if they pay him what he wants, he'll stick around. Yup, and the thing is no other team is going to give him what he is demanding, he is doing the “ who’s going to blink first” thing, imo, he is as good as gone from Baltimore, I suspect they are fine with that and already have plans set in place for his eventual departure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 I hope Lamar gets paid and resets the market. Allen is already signed long term to relatively team friendly deal. A monster deal to Lamar early in the off-season would put a ton of pressure on the Bengals, Chargers, and possibly Jaguars later to tie up their cap with exorbitant QB contracts and guarantees moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 36 minutes ago, Manther said: It is not over. But, he is being extremely stubborn and unrealistic and it is negatively effecting his career. He does not have an agent, correct? Another example of being stubborn and counting every penny. Rarely can someone double dip both ends AND win. He seems to not be the exception. Richard Sherman and Roquan Smith did it, but there are a couple notable differences. Neither are QBs, and they both scored much higher on the wonderlic. Sherman graduated from Stanford. Roquan Smith majored in economics and has a track record of shrewd contract manipulation going back to national signing day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartjohn Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 17 hours ago, Limeaid said: Ravens front office is not as good as I thought making that offer. Lamar isn’t Worth 250 million Guaranteed! Have fun Baltimore LOL! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, BarleyNY said: No pouting. The Texans were not going to put Watson on the field in 2021. Him sitting but getting fully paid for the season was a negotiated settlement between him and the Texans - and blessed by the league. He wanted to play, but not for the Texans. So he wanted to play but not for the team for which he was contracted to play. He also made clear he would utilize his no trade clause to torpedo any deal he didn’t like (and to ensure he got the deal he liked from his new destination.) You can find a different verb other than “pout” I suppose to describe his actions, but it certainly seems appropriate to me. People in here are dumping on Jackson for allegedly refusing to play for his team through a documented injury late in the season, while a healthy Watson did something worse (among other, far worse, things.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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