Teddy KGB Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/25/2023 at 11:30 AM, C.Biscuit97 said: Did you just compare Jackson to Jones? Awful. Jackson wins 70% of his games and has won a MVP. Awful, awful comparison. Or he was limited in a run he’s at offense with terrible receivers. Jackson also sucks when the playoffs come around. Wgas about a MVP trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/24/2023 at 4:13 PM, Solomon Grundy said: I'd like to see Lamar with an alpha WR then we'll see if he's been figured out. Remember how Josh Allen looked before Stefon Diggs. Jalen Hurts before AJ Brown. Lamar has had Mark Andrews. He is a beast that I would put in the top 5 TE's in the league. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/24/2023 at 4:13 PM, Solomon Grundy said: I'd like to see Lamar with an alpha WR then we'll see if he's been figured out. Remember how Josh Allen looked before Stefon Diggs. Jalen Hurts before AJ Brown. Remember how John Brown looked with Lamar in 2018 and then bolted the next season for Buffalo and performed better with Josh Allen? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: Remember how John Brown looked with Lamar in 2018 and then bolted the next season for Buffalo and performed better with Josh Allen? And the Bills still felt they had to deal for Diggs... 16 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Lamar has had Mark Andrews. He is a beast that I would put in the top 5 TE's in the league. Andrews is still not an "alpha" receiver. Very good though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecos Bills Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) On 2/25/2023 at 1:00 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: Even dumber is Lamar almost has thrown for more tds in his mvp season than Jones has thrown in his whole career. In Jones’ “breakout” season, Lamar threw for tds than Jones did in 12 games. Awful, awful comparisons. Interesting math. Jackson threw for 36 TDs in his 2019 MVP season, while Jones has thrown for 60 TDs in his career. Jones also had a higher QBR and more wins than Jackson this past season, and won as many playoff games as Jackson has in his career. Edited February 27 by BayBuck 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Just happy Buffalo is not in this mess. The Mahomes and Allen contracts are going to look like theft in a couple of years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) Let him walk and draft a young QB. He is starting to get injury prone. Edited February 27 by Nitro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 8 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Just happy Buffalo is not in this mess. The Mahomes and Allen contracts are going to look like theft in a couple of years. They already are! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/23/2023 at 4:28 PM, The Wiz said: I hope it's not the jets. Even a best up Lamar is better than what they had last year and the rest of their team is pretty solid top to bottom. A better than average QB would make them better. As far as the cap hell, yes I agree. Jets would lose some of that roster to fit Lamar. They are 1mil in the hole without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 i would franchise Lamar if deal can not be worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Insane athlete. NFL arm strength. Outside of that, he's not even in my top 10. He can't be. Any QB that is dependent on running can't be in your top 10. It will get taken away when it matters and for most, you will miss significant time. If Lamar never had his rookie year when nobody knew how to defend him, then he wouldn't be seeing much more than average starter money at best. Roman has made every mobile QB he has seen have an efficient looking passing line, but none of them could ever get it done when it mattered nor play in more QB focused systems. The NFL knows everything I'm saying. He will not see anywhere close to what he is demanding. He will never see a Super Bowl. Sign him and you put a ceiling over your team. It is that simple. Edited February 28 by KzooMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 On 2/23/2023 at 5:07 PM, Airseven said: Every new contract for an upper echelon player will be negotiated to exceed the one that came before it. Kyler Murray provided the template to hold one's team hostage. These guys have no reason not to ask for the moon. Murray also proved why you don’t give in. I think the Ravens backup was adequate. If the Ravens can get a first for him, then grab RB Robinson and a WR that offense will be above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 But in a way don’t you just WANT them to go full Browns and cave, and then watch the total meltdown that happens. That’s entertainment WWE style! What would the talking heads say? Would they blame Lamar or the team management for failure? Daily watch of the injury report. Why does he only play 12 games a year for a gazillion dollars. SO MUCH FUN cause it ain’t us and I hate the fu$$ing Ravens get me some buttered popcorn and a coke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Jets would lose some of that roster to fit Lamar. They are 1mil in the hole without him. They would, but they have great player at rb1, wr1 and cb1 on rookie contracts for 5 years(4 more now). Those will keep them competitive even is they loss others. Also Q. Williams for another 2 on rookie deal when they use his 5th year option. Edited February 28 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 13 hours ago, Eastport bills said: The problem is the skills required to extricate a team from a really bad QB contract(DeSean Jackson, Murray, Wilson) are not in the DNA of most GMs. How many GMs are ready to give up the draft capital to surround a Stafford with the personnel to get a SB and be bad for years to come? I think the idea of putting a team in purgatory because they make a decision out of desperation and destroy loyal fan bases who live and die with their fortunes is bad for the NFL. If QB contracts are partially separated from the cap it gives teams wiggle room and the owners can afford the extra overhead. The free market (under a socialist salary cap system ironically) will sort this out and you don't need to separate QB contracts from the cap. The more these QB contracts blow up in teams faces the less likely some franchises will be to shell out Kyler Murray type money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Just a reminder that the Browns gave Watson a $230 Million guaranteed contract. It happened. Any QB who doesn’t ask for at least that afterwards is admitting he doesn’t bring as much to the table as a 25 time accused sexual assaulter. So Kyler Murray. Lamar thinks more of himself than Kyler Murray. Now that the XFL isn’t a tour de force and March Madness is too far away, the media wants to pick up old stories and refurbish them for content about Lamar. Edited February 28 by benderbender 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 13 minutes ago, benderbender said: Just a reminder that the Browns gave Watson a $230 Million guaranteed contract. It happened. Any QB who doesn’t ask for at least that afterwards is admitting he doesn’t bring as much to the table as a 25 time accused sexual assaulter. So Kyler Murray. Lamar thinks more of himself than Kyler Murray. Now that the XFL isn’t a tour de force and March Madness is too far away, the media wants to pick up old stories and refurbish them for content about Lamar. The Browns definitely screwed up the market (and hopefully themselves) by signing that serial abuser. I don't think you can possibly make that deal for Lamar though given the way he plays and the injury potential. It's a tough pill to swallow, but I think you have to let him walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The free market (under a socialist salary cap system ironically) will sort this out and you don't need to separate QB contracts from the cap. The more these QB contracts blow up in teams faces the less likely some franchises will be to shell out Kyler Murray type money. Unfortunately the perfect storm of the NFL being a QB driven league and the scarcity of high quality,SB capable QBs makes the pressure on ownership to overvalue marginal talent extremely high. That’s why agents know the Daniel Jones’s and Lamar Jackson’s of the world will be get Mahomes money by a desperate franchise one way or the other. With the protection of the hard cap, the only people that will suffer are the devoted fans who will be in purgatory for long periods of time.ie(Az, Cleveland, Dallas) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 On 2/23/2023 at 3:10 PM, SCBills said: Two things can be true. 1) He is twice the QB Watson is. 2) Baltimore should absolutely not give him the contract he is asking for. THREE things can be true. 1) He is twice the QB Watson is. 2) Baltimore should absolutely not give him the contract he is asking for. 3) I want that money so badly. Even some of it. Oh please, please, please, please, please, please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 22 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Lamar has had Mark Andrews. He is a beast that I would put in the top 5 TE's in the league. Andrews is a beast but he came into the nfl as rookie with Lamar after being drafted in the 3rd round. So apparently he wasn’t that much of a beast to nfl teams. Lamar deserves credit for soem of his success. Isiah’s likely stepped in when Andrews got hurt and also was successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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