Kiva Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 He will be out next DC. McD knows Leslie is out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saint Doug Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Hey was pretty good for a year when he played QB for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Can he coach how to rush the passer or jam a receiver? 🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Process Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: I'll take either one. From what I heard, Frazier's contract was up this year, so they signed a 1 year extension or something of the sort if he might be done after next year. I saw somewhere that that was a rumor that got shot down. His contract wasn't up. Maybe there is only one year left though. Edited February 9, 2023 by Process 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Success said: I wish there was not a Carolina connection. It really begs the question - are you only comfortable hiring guys you already know? If so, I wished it was Steve Wilks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 McDermott is lining this guy up be the new DC in 2024. Guess the writing is on the wall for Frazier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Success said: I wish there was not a Carolina connection. It really begs the question - are you only comfortable hiring guys you already know? The answer is yes… as seen below… 43 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: You made the comment they have a tough time going out of their comfort zone/circle with the Carolina connection. You really want me to do this? The Bills have 26 members listed under their coaching staff (not including McDermott)… Al Holcomb will be #27. These are the guys who crossed over in Carolina (6): Ken Dorsey Bobby Babich Mike Shula Eric Washington Matt Worswick Al Holcomb These are the guys who don’t have any Carolina connection (21): Leslie Frazier Matthew Smiley Rob Boras Joe Brady John Butler Joe Danna Chad Hall Aaron Kromer Jaylon Finner Austin Gund Cory Harkey Marc Lubick Kyle Shurmur Kelly Skipper Ryan Wendell Marcus West Eric Ciano Will Greenberg Hal Luther Nick Lacy Jason Oszvart Looking at the front office quick… they have 9 people with VP, Director or Assistant Director titles in football operations. No Carolina connection (9): Jim Overdorf Kevin Meganck Brian Gaine Terrance Gray Malik Boyd Matt Bazirgan Lake Dawson Chris Marrow Curtus Rukavina So what? 36 people across coaching and football operations and 6 of them have ties to Carolina. Could also point to people like Dan Morgan (SEA), Joe Schoen (NYG) and Brian Daboll (NYG) as guys outside their comfort zone who were brought in to fill roles on the staff. There’s also David Culley, Bobby Johnson, Shea Tierney, Bob Babich, Jim Salgado, Danny Crossman and Heath Farwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, DCbillsfan said: He supervises the junior defensive assistant lol Isn't that role the assistant to the senior defensive assistant? Edited February 9, 2023 by The Wiz 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Process said: Another Carolina connection. McBeane really have a tough time going out of their circle / comfort zone. Leslie Frazier not from Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Growth mindset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 48 minutes ago, Kiva said: He will be out next DC. McD knows Leslie is out. Eric Washington might debate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Chaos said: What does a senior defensive assistant do? Probably stand there while Frazier and McD pull their CBs 10 yards down the field when the opposing team only need 4 yards, and then gets fired for it next off season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Too bad this Carolina connection didn’t bring us James Bradberry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 Here’s the analogy folks …… Nate Hackett hired a senior assistant Hc or offensive senior assistant when he botched the first 3 games this year in Denver let that sink in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, balln said: Here’s the analogy folks …… Nate Hackett hired a senior assistant Hc or offensive senior assistant when he botched the first 3 games this year in Denver let that sink in Here’s some analogies…. Bengals have a senior defensive assistant (Mark Duffner). Chiefs have a senior offensive assistant (Matt Nagy). 49ers have an assistant head coach (Anthony Lynn) and Game Management Specialist (August Mangin). Positions like this aren’t uncommon. Let that sink in. Edited February 9, 2023 by JGMcD2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: What a toxic place this has become. Yikes. Fresh air and grass would do some of y’all some good. Grass always mellows me out 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, balln said: I mean ….. your head HC is a defensive coach. You don’t fire your DC….. so why hire a senior defensive coach????? It’s bizarre Don’t need a bandaid ! Need an overhaul ! This hiring is so embarrassing in so many ways I can't even comment anymore. What the hell is McD thinking. Your DC has struggled in the playoffs. He runs the exact same scheme using no adjustments ever. He doesn't have enough pass rush for this flawed scheme to even work. So let's turn to our beloved sister team for more random help that doesn't solve the problem. Is there a combo vomit-face palm-eye roll emoji? Edited February 9, 2023 by LABILLBACKER 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Success said: I wish there was not a Carolina connection. It really begs the question - are you only comfortable hiring guys you already know? yes and to be frank most head coaches are like this for right or wrong . Guys hire guys they know and trust more than the best guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Panthers defense was pretty aggressive in the few games I saw. Maybe it’s a positive hire. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Leslie Frazier not from Carolina. It may be in his retirement future. We are new to this, but it may come full circle. My sons were born in the Carolinas. Just sayin’…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoolhouserock Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Holcomb has been a DC before - on two different teams. This is the exact opposite of desperation. It is forward thinking/contingency planning. Frazier won’t be here for forever. I don’t see how folks think this is a bad hiring. 3 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) I mean I like his hire. Dude is a good coach and knows what McDermott wants. He developed Thomas Davis, Kuechly, Shaq Thompson. When he was with the Browns Joe Shobert had his best year and turned it into a huge contract. Like Joe Danna, Al Holcomb is a guy who learned a bunch under Perry Fewell, so more than being a Carolina guy, he’s a Ron Rivera-Lovie Smith guy in that Tampa 2 world. Honestly I think it could be one of two things..either Holcomb is being brought in to help implement some more of McDermotts stuff waiting to replace, or he is there to assist Frazier, essentially doubling down on it. With these hires you are probably getting further away from the Jim Johnson world and closer to the Tony Dungy world. Edited February 9, 2023 by MrEpsYtown 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, balln said: Hey remember beane traded for kelvin benjamin! Hahahahahhahahahahhahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I don't see this as desperation or insanity. I think it's quite logical. Holcomb is very familiar with McDermott's defensive scheme. This tells me that McDermott is absolutely committed to pursuing and tweaking the defensive scheme he has always used. Frazier, I think, has brought his own biases to the scheme. I think bringing Holcomb in actually shortens the leash a bit on Frazier. McDermott is actually saying to Frazier, "We're going to run this a little more like I used to run Carolina's defense." Specifically, I think that means being a bit more aggressive. McDermott is not into heavy blitzing, but I think he is inclined to do a little more than Frazier is, following the thinking of his mentor who coached defense for the Philadelphia Eagles, Jim Johnson. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, JackKemp said: Well to me this is a move to add a new voice and outsider who may have some fresh eyes on our defensive system. It may also mean Frazier is on his way out by next year. This is a reasonable take. Giving Frazier the boot after a string of playoff embarrassments is just not how this team operates. However, if OBD has come to the conclusion that some changes are needed, then this is the kind of first step they would make. It will be interesting to see how much Frazier is willing to give up - doubt we will know, but game planning has to be better, player prep better, and game day adjustments quicker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Jerry Jabber said: McDermott is lining this guy up be the new DC in 2024. Guess the writing is on the wall for Frazier. If you know he's horrible and you know he's done then why waste a final year with him calling the same crap? 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, schoolhouserock said: Holcomb has been a DC before - on two different teams. This is the exact opposite of desperation. It is forward thinking/contingency planning. Frazier won’t be here for forever. I don’t see how folks think this is a bad hiring. Frazier shouldn't be here tomorrow. Why are we tiptoeing thru an obvious firing and replacement. Good Lord enough of this adorable loyalty crap. Slap a pink slip on his ass. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Augie said: If we joined the ‘72 Dolphins as the only other undefeated team and SB Champs, our strength of schedule would be too weak, and our point differential would be disappointing. With some….. There needs to be a "confused" icon in the choices for reactions. 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: You made the comment they have a tough time going out of their comfort zone/circle with the Carolina connection. You really want me to do this? The Bills have 26 members listed under their coaching staff (not including McDermott)… Al Holcomb will be #27. These are the guys who crossed over in Carolina (6): Ken Dorsey Bobby Babich Mike Shula Eric Washington Matt Worswick Al Holcomb These are the guys who don’t have any Carolina connection (21): Leslie Frazier Matthew Smiley Rob Boras Joe Brady John Butler Joe Danna Chad Hall Aaron Kromer Jaylon Finner Austin Gund Cory Harkey Marc Lubick Kyle Shurmur Kelly Skipper Ryan Wendell Marcus West Eric Ciano Will Greenberg Hal Luther Nick Lacy Jason Oszvart Looking at the front office quick… they have 9 people with VP, Director or Assistant Director titles in football operations. No Carolina connection (9): Jim Overdorf Kevin Meganck Brian Gaine Terrance Gray Malik Boyd Matt Bazirgan Lake Dawson Chris Marrow Curtus Rukavina So what? 36 people across coaching and football operations and 6 of them have ties to Carolina. Could also point to people like Dan Morgan (SEA), Joe Schoen (NYG) and Brian Daboll (NYG) as guys outside their comfort zone who were brought in to fill roles on the staff. There’s also David Culley, Bobby Johnson, Shea Tierney, Bob Babich, Jim Salgado, Danny Crossman and Heath Farwell. You might want to read this https://theathletic.com/3169524/2022/03/09/joe-brady-wasnt-the-bills-first-choice-but-hiring-him-as-their-new-qbs-coach-is-a-coup/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Here is what I believe they desperately wanted to add Steve Wilkes to the staff the 49ers gave him an offer he couldn’t refuse…Bills went with plan B his defensive coordinator this could be true. It would make sense. I was hoping they'd offer Wilks the DC job. Maybe they did? The 49ers DC job has proven to be a quick way to a head coaching job, where as Buffalo's DC will always be in the shadow of McDermott. Even if buffalo offered Wilks the DC job I could see where he would pick SF. I am not disappointed by this hire nor do i think it reeks of desperation. I actually think it might show Frazier's seat is getting hot. I really don't get why so many are so upset by this hire. They aren't going to bring in someone who runs a completely different defense than what the head coach ran or what the current DC runs. Our problem on defense isn't McDermott's defensive system anyway IMO (which has proven to work with 3 different teams now - Philly, Carolina and Buffalo. Anyone who thinks MCDermott played it as safe as Frazier as a DC needs to go back and watch his defenses before he got to Buffalo). It's frazier's tendency to play it so safe and his inability to adjust in game. Maybe Holcomb will help? Or even possibly replace Frazier if he's unable to make the adjustments McDermott may want. I know people wanted Frazier fired. But it hasn't happened. At least Adding someone like Holcomb could help bring changes to the defense. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I think we can assume Frazier's on the hot seat. This is another guy who knows the defense inside-out and can step right in if they don't like what they see from Frazier early on. Not sure how "desperation" plays a part in it. It'd be desperation if, for instance, they fired Frazier in week 2 and just grabbed the first warm body available. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 hours ago, JackKemp said: Well to me this is a move to add a new voice and outsider who may have some fresh eyes on our defensive system. It may also mean Frazier is on his way out by next year. Yeah, but to be replaced by this jabroni? 🤢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I hear his responsibility will be to pick a play out of a hat on third and long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 4 hours ago, balln said: Hey remember beane traded for kelvin benjamin! Hahahahahhahahahahhahaha Benjamin, they grossly overpaid for Lotulolei, McD hired Beane from there, and I think at least two more players. It's gotten ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: This hiring is so embarrassing in so many ways I can't even comment anymore. What the hell is McD thinking. Your DC has struggled in the playoffs. He runs the exact same scheme using no adjustments ever. He doesn't have enough pass rush for this flawed scheme to even work. So let's turn to our beloved sister team for more random help that doesn't solve the problem. Is there a combo vomit-face palm-eye roll emoji? How was Carolina's defense following the Rhule firing? Take a moment to be an adult and breathe, think, and NOT vomit all over others. And of course, this could be Frazier's 2024 replacement. Edited February 9, 2023 by Richard Noggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 This feels like a balln troll thread and nothing more. Its like he just discovered the buttons on the keyboard type words 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 7 hours ago, balln said: I mean ….. your head HC is a defensive coach. You don’t fire your DC….. so why hire a senior defensive coach????? It’s bizarre Don’t need a bandaid ! Need an overhaul ! Fraziers contract is up so there is no need to fire him...This may be his replacement so they can keep the scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 8 hours ago, balln said: Beane traded for a Carolina panther kelvin Benjamin for a 3rd and a 7th on a rebuilding team and then released him the very next year And? What does this have to do with adding a guy to help bolster our defensive staff? If it’s pointing out what a failure Beane is as GM? Doesn’t work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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