JMM Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Are you familiar with the following concepts: RB screen, TE screen, bubble screen, draw, delayed draw, quick slant, quick out, go and stop, etc. I'm no OC, but it seems to me that there are experts in the NFL that believe these are effective concepts against cover zero. Thanks for your attention. Now...back to calling your seven step drop duo go routes..... 12 4 3 27 3 4 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 His offense scored 34 points despite having 3 turnovers. Solid. 5 5 4 2 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, JMM said: Are you familiar with the following concepts: RB screen, TE screen, bubble screen, draw, delayed draw, quick slant, quick out, go and stop, etc. I'm no OC, but it seems to me that there are experts in the NFL that believe these are effective concepts against cover zero. Thanks for your attention. Now...back to calling your seven step drop duo go routes..... I don’t think the Bills have run a non qb draw this year. They just run zone read left…zone read right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Hasn’t @Simonworked hard enough today? JFC… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 34 points Could easily have been 50 4 5 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, 78thealltimegreat said: I don’t think the Bills have run a non qb draw this year. They just run zone read left…zone read right. We have to get back to josh running the ball to have any chance against Bengals or Chiefs. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) If Shakir was able to hang onto a ball and Josh was a little more accurate on those deep balls the Bills would have hung a 50 burger on the Fish. Edited January 16, 2023 by Beast 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 He went a bit Dabollish a couple times but I thought he called a good game for most of the day 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Hopefully Josh has his 3 turnovers all in the first half next week so they have time to overcome them. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: His offense scored 34 points despite having 3 turnovers. Solid. His offensive play calling also put Miami back in this game. 6 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I do not think Dorsey called a good game at all really. But we have 34 points. Two touchdowns from short fields where you give the D an assist but you can't knock the results. It wasn't pretty but it got the job done. 7 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I don’t think the Bills have run a non qb draw this year. They just run zone read left…zone read right. Cook literally scored a long TD within the last few weeks on a draw. Do people even watch games anymore or do they just randomly comment with having no knowledge? 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I do not think Dorsey called a good game at all really. But we have 34 points. Two touchdowns from short fields where you give the D an assist but you can't knock the results. It wasn't pretty but it got the job done. I can’t believe we saw no crossers. Idk if they didn’t expect so much cover zero but Josh and Diggs have murdered cover zero with that crossing right and I’m not sure we ever ran that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: We have to get back to josh running the ball to have any chance against Bengals or Chiefs. Anyone know why that didn’t work today? Were they spying him? Just seemed like Josh had nowhere to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Dorsey has a lot of faults. But Josh is not blameless in this either. Some questionable decisions. The interception down deep. The handoff to Cook that was supposed to be a run. He’s been making mistakes all season that we haven’t really seen for a few years. 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyBeets Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, VaMilBill said: Dorsey has a lot of faults. But Josh is not blameless in this either. Some questionable decisions. The interception down deep. The handoff to Cook that was supposed to be a run. He’s been making mistakes all season that we haven’t really seen for a few years. Unfortunately this is very true. We can point the finger at Dorsey all we want, but at the end of the day Josh has made some very costly mistakes. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Simon said: He went a bit Dabollish a couple times but I thought he called a good game for most of the day The plays may have been fine but it’s a tempo/feel thing. Bills were up 17 nothing and ripped off two great long runs and he dials up a bomb that gets picked. Maybe it was Josh audibling and Smoke shouldn’t have stopped but it was the worst thing to call at that moment of the game and it seemed to completely change the rhythm of it all. It’s a game flow thing that gets me with Dorsey - he needs to be Josh’s governor but instead, it’s like he’s up in the booth eating pop rocks and chugging 4 Loco. 3 9 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: I can’t believe we saw no crossers. That was bothering me too. I do think the depth the Phish secondary was setting up in ahd something to do with that. They were still available with some minor tweaking though. 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: The plays may have been fine but it’s a tempo/feel thing. Bills were up 17 nothing and ripped off two great long runs and he dials up a bomb that gets picked. Maybe it was Josh audibling and Smoke shouldn’t have stopped but it was the worst thing to call at that moment of the game and it seemed to completely change the rhythm of it all. It’s a game flow thing that gets me with Dorsey - he needs to be Josh’s governor but instead, it’s like he’s up in the booth eating pop rocks and chugging 4 Loco. This is a great post. I hated the fact that the turnover came on first down but at that point in the game they were having really good success finding openings in the secondary on 1st downs and I get what he was trying to do on that particular down. I wonder what Josh passed up to chuck that prayer instead; I'd bet that one of his first two options was available and he couldn't help himself 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I don’t think the Bills have run a non qb draw this year. They just run zone read left…zone read right. They ran a draw 2 weeks ago and Cook broke a nice run off it. It would be nice to see more with Cook. Especially sprint draws with Josh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Simon said: I wonder what Josh passed up to chuck that prayer instead; I'd bet that one of his first two options was available and he couldn't help himself That looked identical to the one Brown caught last week against NE. A better throw and it could have been a TD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, Beast said: If Shakir was able to hang onto a ball and Josh was a little more accurate on those deep balls the Bills would have hung a 50 burger on the Fish. Well yea, but that’s the point isn’t it? Those are tough, low percentage throws. Easier, higher percentage plays are good too. And better is many circumstances. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 29 minutes ago, JMM said: Are you familiar with the following concepts: RB screen, TE screen, bubble screen, draw, delayed draw, quick slant, quick out, go and stop, etc. I'm no OC, but it seems to me that there are experts in the NFL that believe these are effective concepts against cover zero. Thanks for your attention. Now...back to calling your seven step drop duo go routes..... Dear JMM, You should have stopped at “I’m no OC” Sincerely, Ken OC Dorsey 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, mannc said: Anyone know why that didn’t work today? Were they spying him? Just seemed like Josh had nowhere to go. They spied him on nearly every play. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, peterpan said: Well yea, but that’s the point isn’t it? Those are tough, low percentage throws. Easier, higher percentage plays are good too. And better is many circumstances. The amount of points on a scoreboard at the end of a game will always matter the most. The Bills should have had 50 today. I guess bad things never happen in the short passing game…like that throw to Beasley that went for a pick, right? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, Einstein said: His offense scored 34 points despite having 3 turnovers, and working with 2 street FA at WR. Solid. Suggested modification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Don't they still, ya know, have Dabolls playbook? Can we just mix up the verbiage and use it? It schemed wide open guys a few times a game at least. We're too vanilla. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: The plays may have been fine but it’s a tempo/feel thing. Bills were up 17 nothing and ripped off two great long runs and he dials up a bomb that gets picked. Maybe it was Josh audibling and Smoke shouldn’t have stopped but it was the worst thing to call at that moment of the game and it seemed to completely change the rhythm of it all. It’s a game flow thing that gets me with Dorsey - he needs to be Josh’s governor but instead, it’s like he’s up in the booth eating pop rocks and chugging 4 Loco. The back to back deep shots once we started getting momentum in the third was PAINFUL from a rhythm standpoint. I get that the play was there to be made. Just felt like a low percentage call when we needed to generate a longer drive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Beast said: The amount of points on a scoreboard at the end of a game will always matter the most. The Bills should have had 50 today. I guess bad things never happen in the short passing game…like that throw to Beasley that went for a pick, right? But again, “should”. Maybe if we had more than one WR of the team the 7 step drop hail Mary’s would produce better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 And again no easy passes and minimal YAC and just disjointed again. And 7 sacks!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 the offense was much better in the redzone today, like the plays to cook and beas were nice. knox shoulda had a tuddy too. between the 20s was just straight up madden playcalling with the '***** it, just throw it deep.' it was out of control. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, peterpan said: But again, “should”. Maybe if we had more than one WR of the team the 7 step drop hail Mary’s would produce better Hail Mary’s. That’s rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Cook literally scored a long TD within the last few weeks on a draw. Do people even watch games anymore or do they just randomly comment with having no knowledge? Oh all hail bigturk and his massive football database Edited January 16, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 41 minutes ago, Einstein said: His offense scored 34 points despite having 3 turnovers. Solid. And our QB took SEVEN sacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: They ran a draw 2 weeks ago and Cook broke a nice run off it. It would be nice to see more with Cook. Especially sprint draws with Josh When you are talking draws in terms of a few weeks ago that’s a problem 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 IMHO - Dorsey has failed to develop a strategy for the opposition pass rush. Josh is getting rushed on many plays and they need more quick outlet options vs. having him wait to throw further downfield or get sacked. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Proof? C'mon man, I was listening to that game on the radio in the truck and know what it was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 21 minutes ago, JMM said: Are you familiar with the following concepts: RB screen, TE screen, bubble screen, draw, delayed draw, quick slant, quick out, go and stop, etc. I'm no OC, but it seems to me that there are experts in the NFL that believe these are effective concepts against cover zero. Thanks for your attention. Now...back to calling your seven step drop duo go routes..... What’s puzzling to me is that the Bills have Joe Brady and Mike Shula on staff. Both are tenured NFL offensive coaches with years of experience who should be available for counseling and mentoring the first year OC. Can they not help Dorsey to have more imagination with play design and implementation? In a previous posting I asked the question ‘is Dorsey a frustrated ex-QB who’s living vicariously through Allen and just wants to throw bombs all day?” in 2022, Josh has frequently regressed back to ‘the hero ball’ novice he was 3 or 4 years ago. He’s become impatient, careless with the ball, improvising too much, and his inconsistent accuracy has receivers often reaching high or scooping from the turf to make catches. The Bills are winning, but they’re living dangerously. Unless they eliminate sloppy play and start playIng like a Championship team, we may have just seen our last Bills victory of the 2022 season. 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 43 minutes ago, JMM said: Are you familiar with the following concepts: RB screen, TE screen, bubble screen, draw, delayed draw, quick slant, quick out, go and stop, etc. I'm no OC, but it seems to me that there are experts in the NFL that believe these are effective concepts against cover zero. Thanks for your attention. Now...back to calling your seven step drop duo go routes..... How about a trick play?! Not that it’s a trick play… but I’d like to see them run an actual option . Why not I just want to see the slightest bit of creativity!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Play calls should never stop momentum. The series with the two long ball incompletions did that. Whether Dorsey called that, or Josh tried to play hero ball, it was the opposite of what was needed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: That looked identical to the one Brown caught last week against NE. A better throw and it could have been a TD Romo did point out that Brown let up on the route. Seems to be lots of miscommunications like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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