Roquan $mith agrees to deal with Ravens - highest paid LB in NFL history

[DCofNC]

8 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

So this confirms that Lamar is definitely a goner

You spelled Edmunds wrong.

[HappyDays]

I think we pretty much have to re-sign Edmunds. We have too many holes elsewhere on the roster to create another one by letting Edmunds walk. The initially reported numbers will be eye-popping but Beane is smart enough and Pegula is rich enough to structure the contract well. Edmunds strikes me as a pretty low-key guy, I don't think he's hunting for the biggest contract in NFL history.

[Shortchaz]

5 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

With 17 getting 40 mil per now, the Bills loyalists will have to get used to  some of our guys leaving.  That is the purpose of the  cap....to balance talent across the league.

obviously locker room chemistry is important to this staff, but as a fan there’s not many players on this team I’m worried about losing, I.e. would care if they were gone after the season. 
 

milano, Hyde, diggs, and josh are about it. (Maybe groot) 

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

One thing to keep in mind is that the cap is likely to go WAY up. Bear in mind that it went down in the covid year and the league has had a banner year revenue wise this year. It's expected to go up by $15 million or so: https://www.nfl.com/news/salary-cap-for-2023-nfl-season-could-exceed-220-million-but-questions-remain .

 

 

 

We also still have a number of contracts we can restructure, most notably Allen's, to open up a lot more cap space. A lot of Bills fans have the view that we will be extremely tight this offseason. I don't agree. Beane has left plenty of breathing room in the outstanding contracts, and we have an owner who is cash-rich enough to front load future contracts with bonus money. No doubt in my mind we could re-sign Edmunds, Poyer, and Oliver if we really wanted to, although realistically I expect one of those three to be the odd man out. And then I still think we'll have enough room left over to sign a starting caliber WR and G. 

[Nextmanup]

8 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Who cares about Lamar. What does Edmunds think?

Edmunds can take his $20 million a year K somewhere else!

 

Beane is too smart for this crap.

 

 

[BarleyNY]

5 hours ago, H2o said:

They have the FT to use on Edmunds if need be and Oliver is on his 5th year option next season. I assume you are talking about going into 2024? 

Doubtful on using the FT on Edmunds. LB tag includes pass rushing OLBs so it is projected to be $21M in 2023. No bueno. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Doubtful on using the FT on Edmunds. LB tag includes pass rushing OLBs so it is projected to be $21M in 2023. No bueno. 

Hefty but I wouldn’t rule it out. 
 

You could argue that guaranteeing a guy 21M for a year might be okay, to get you by while you find a cheaper replacement, instead of leaving yourself with limited options or having to guarantee a player 45M like Roquan got. 
 

I don’t foresee a tag either, but I wouldn’t count it out. It’s entirely plausible they’d want to spend a bit more for a single year than invest twice that or more. 
 

The bottom line is this:

 

We can’t pay everyone. Beane and company will be afforded less and less wiggle room with their draft picks. The luxury days of picking rotational players and special teams contributors in the first three rounds is over. 

[gobills404]

1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

Not appropriate.

Wet blanket

[Kiva]

9 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Edmunds is half the player of Roquan. Can we get him for half the price?

Was just about to post maybe a 1/4 of the player. Edmunds is average at best. 

[ganesh]

4 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Hefty but I wouldn’t rule it out. 
 

You could argue that guaranteeing a guy 21M for a year might be okay, to get you by while you find a cheaper replacement, instead of leaving yourself with limited options or having to guarantee a player 45M like Roquan got. 
 

I don’t foresee a tag either, but I wouldn’t count it out. It’s entirely plausible they’d want to spend a bit more for a single year than invest twice that or more. 
 

The bottom line is this:

 

We can’t pay everyone. Beane and company will be afforded less and less wiggle room with their draft picks. The luxury days of picking rotational players and special teams contributors in the first three rounds is over. 

A 1 year Franchise Tag also means $21M against the Salary cap.  Teams will not do that.

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 hours ago, DCofNC said:

You spelled Edmunds wrong.

I don’t think edmunds is a goner. I think they resign him while restructuring contracts like Allen,Diggs, Morse, maybe an early extension on Oliver. I think Edmunds stays a Buffalo Bill

[BillMafia716ix]

The days of having a thumper at LB are over. Edmunds is the type of LB teams are looking for at the position. No doubt he will get paid. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

7 hours ago, ganesh said:

A 1 year Franchise Tag also means $21M against the Salary cap.  Teams will not do that.

 

Again, I don’t think the bills will do it, I just wouldn’t rule it out.

 

To say that teams won’t do that is not accurate. Teams use the tag regularly for all different reasons. The 2023 tag numbers are high because contracts are reflecting likely higher cap figures in years to come.

 

Just last year, Orlando Brown signed his franchise tag (16M) and he may not be re-signed in Kansas City. On the other hand, it could be used to extend negotiations.

 

Two seasons ago, Chris Godwin was tagged and played out the year. He was tagged again this past off-season, this time extending him a long term contract surplanting the second tag.

 

Two big name players, two likely different outcomes, 1 similar strategy: using the tag as a tool (albeit an expensive one) to keep a player around before investing even heavier dollars into that player. Whether teams choose to eventually extended or not, regardless the cause being financial or performance based, is a real possibility used by many teams in this league.

[Bill from NYC]

17 hours ago, colin said:

edmunds will prolly get 16-18, some room on the guaranteed amount, length and structure.

 

From who?

[H2o]

8 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Doubtful on using the FT on Edmunds. LB tag includes pass rushing OLBs so it is projected to be $21M in 2023. No bueno. 

Wow. Yeah, the FT is not really an option then. They could try to use the Transition Tag. That would at least give them the chance to match an offer. That runs around $16M. Hopefully Edmunds pulls a Milano and gives us a hometown discount to stay for 3-4 more years. He could still get one more sizeable contract after that as he would still be under 30 years old. 

[colin]

21 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

From who?

from an nfl team who signs him, most likely the bills.  who do you think?

[Bill from NYC]

52 minutes ago, colin said:

from an nfl team who signs him, most likely the bills.  who do you think?

I don't know. I'm not sure it is a great idea in the modern NFL to pay a LB huge money.

 

I know the man is young and talented. I personally think that the Bills need to spend money protecting the best QB in football and providing him with more targets. 

 

Jmo.

Edited January 11, 2023 by Bill from NYC

[colin]

32 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I don't know. I'm not sure it is a great idea in the modern NFL to pay a LB huge money.

 

I know the man is young and talented. I presonally think that the Bills need to spend money protecting the best QB in football and providing him with more targets. 

 

Jmo.

 

could be, but look at what SF and baltimore paid their top flight MLBs.  bobby wags gets huge money too.

 

to me, mcd is all about his d, and loves to spend money on it, and edmunds is our most consistent player by far in terms of number of snaps he's on the field.  don't think mcd wants to lose that.

 

also, based on current trend whatever he signs will be cheap 2 or 3 years into it.

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

From who?

If he makes it to free agency some team with 100m cap space like Jacksonville will just to say they are trying. I mean, look what they gave wild man Zay Jones😳. Matter of fact, if he makes it to free agency, I guarantee he gets 20m per year. Salaries are just going to get more ridiculous year after year.

[H2o]

7 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

If he makes it to free agency some team with 100m cap space like Jacksonville will just to say they are trying. I mean, look what they gave wild man Zay Jones😳. Matter of fact, if he makes it to free agency, I guarantee he gets 20m per year. Salaries are just going to get more ridiculous year after year.

Chicago also has $118M in projected cap space and there is DEFINITELY a need there after the trade of Roquan. 

[RunTheBall]

Been saying this for years - McBeane LOVE them some Edmunds. He’s getting paid, and paid 18+. 

 

All you capologists have no idea what you are talking about. It’s fantasyland. If they want a guy, they can fit a guy with restructuring and the increased cap from TV and even more so from legalized gambling. The cap is now an excuse to give to fans who are pissed their team let a player they wanted walk.

 

Ed gets the 5th year so you kick his can down the road like we did Edmunds and see if he produces.

 

Poyer will stay on a 2 year deal, then we draft O-line, WR and Safeties.

[T master]

By By Tremaine Edmunds it's been a nice ride & thanks for all you've done while you were here !! 

Edited January 17, 2023 by T master

[PetermansRedemption]

8 minutes ago, T master said:

By By Terrell Edmunds it's been a nice ride & thanks for all you've done while you were here !! 

The safety who plays for the Steelers? 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

If he makes it to free agency some team with 100m cap space like Jacksonville will just to say they are trying. I mean, look what they gave wild man Zay Jones😳. Matter of fact, if he makes it to free agency, I guarantee he gets 20m per year. Salaries are just going to get more ridiculous year after year.

 

They stole Paul Poz that time too! But yeah I agree.

 

A team with a QB on a rookie contract with a need at LB could go all in on Tremaine. Honestly, I could see the Giants poaching him. I know they need to re-sign Jones and Barkley, but Tremaine would crush it in that defense. The Bears and Falcons could make that move as well and have a need at the position. The Bears have a ridiculous amount of cap space and a QB on a rookie contract. 

[RyanC883]

Love watching other teams make stupid deals like this.   
 

Likely means Ravens will try to get a rookie an and win on his rookie deal.   

This representing yourself only works if you and the team want the deal done.  Larvae is an idiot because it’s clear the Raven's want to move on, but he has no agent talking to other teams for him.  

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

What is it with the Ravens and players representing themselves?

 

Lot of money for an off the ball backer. Don't think it means anything good for the Edmunds negotiations. 

Ravens players are nuts. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

11 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Wet blanket

 

"Congrats on waking up from your coma 🙏" making light of it 10 days after Damar is total BS and you know it.

[Orlando Tim]

We should link back to the thread of people saying he would top out around 10-12 million a year. Edmunds was a beast this year and I think starts at 5 years at $18 per year. I would not be surprised if he gave a little bit of a discount to play in a certain system but I would not be shocked if he is paid $20+.

[LABILLBACKER]

On 1/10/2023 at 10:36 AM, Matt_In_NH said:

 

 

After seeing this, he is probably seeing dollar signs and very very happy

They won't be our $ signs.

[starrymessenger]

20 hours ago, SCBills said:

Why would Lamar be upset they signed Roquan long term?.. He’s the one who said no in-season contract negotiations.  
 

Im not sure why the Ravens should be giving the “Watson contract” to a guy that hasn’t finished (as of now) the last two seasons… and hasn’t performed at an elite level in the playoffs. 
 

His only shot is to go to a team like NYJ, with a lot of young talent, that can pay him elite franchise QB $$$ and have a stacked roster around him.  QB6 in the AFC is going to need an elite roster to compete with the 5 AFC QB’s better than him (Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Lawrence). 

I think the Ravens will franchise and look to trade Lamar. Jets are a definite possibility but I wouldn't count Miami out. He's a Florida guy who hates the cold weather. And if you're the Fins who would you rather give a golden long term contract to, Tua who is one head shot away from retirement, or Lamar? The Ravens even after Ozzie's retirement are too smart to give Lamar the contract he thinks he deserves. Roquan was a very good move though imo. Has already taken that D to another level. If they had a decent QB who was interested in playing I think Cincinnati would have their hands full with the Ravens.

Edited January 11, 2023 by starrymessenger

[78thealltimegreat]

This was a topic on the radio today. It seems like the Ravens locking up Roquan means they are just going to franchise Lamar for one more year before he gets to expensive to keep. 

I guess they believe they can compete in the division with the Tyler Huntleys of the world in the future and build around their defense. 

Interesting strategy considering Burrow, Watson, and even Kenny Pickett showing some promise  are in the same division now. 

[T master]

23 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

The safety who plays for the Steelers? 

 

Sorry i meant Tremaine to many T's in that family 😜 .

[mannc]

23 hours ago, T master said:

By By Terrell Edmunds it's been a nice ride & thanks for all you've done while you were here !! 

I can tell he’s one of your favorite players…

[LeGOATski]

Tremaine is the epitome of the type of player the Bills re-sign. Drafted and developed into a star, leader, young core player for this squad.

 

I think some people in this thread are going to be super disappointed.

[KHAN]

It will all work out because Beane has a secret weapon:

 

 

[T master]

13 minutes ago, mannc said:

I can tell he’s one of your favorite players…

 

Actually he is but i have found especially since the salary cap has been implemented years ago that there is no way to keep all your players any more with the money that they throw around & then the change in how much loyalty the new young players have is nothing like it use to be .

 

There are very few players any more that play their entire career with 1 team is basically all i was saying i wish we could keep all of our players but there are only a core few that Beane will be able to pay & with Smith reseting the market I feel he could be gone after this season which is not truly what i want .

 

But it is the NFL & money os what drives it .

[bigK14094]

49 did have a good game last night.  I haven'[t seen him make those plays before.  Even crushed a runner head on.....

[MiltonWaddams]

On 1/12/2023 at 5:49 AM, T master said:

 

Actually he is but i have found especially since the salary cap has been implemented years ago that there is no way to keep all your players any more with the money that they throw around & then the change in how much loyalty the new young players have is nothing like it use to be .

 

There are very few players any more that play their entire career with 1 team is basically all i was saying i wish we could keep all of our players but there are only a core few that Beane will be able to pay & with Smith reseting the market I feel he could be gone after this season which is not truly what i want .

 

But it is the NFL & money os what drives it .

Calling him Terrell let us know how much you really favor and appreciate Tremaine.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

This is the first year I've thought Tremaine Edmunds was a quality starter in the league, and that includes when he made the Pro Bowl early on. I'm surprised and impressed —he has clearly worked hard on his game and has finally won me over.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

This is the first year I've thought Tremaine Edmunds was a quality starter in the league, and that includes when he made the Pro Bowl early on. I'm surprised and impressed —he has clearly worked hard on his game and has finally won me over.

Same

[EasternOHBillsFan]

On 1/11/2023 at 8:26 AM, RunTheBall said:

Been saying this for years - McBeane LOVE them some Edmunds. He’s getting paid, and paid 18+. 

 

All you capologists have no idea what you are talking about. It’s fantasyland. If they want a guy, they can fit a guy with restructuring and the increased cap from TV and even more so from legalized gambling. The cap is now an excuse to give to fans who are pissed their team let a player they wanted walk.

 

So you are the expert in these matters and know EXACTLY what you are talking about?

 

What position do you/did you work in in the NFL to be the expert? Curious.