LeGOATski Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Not saying he cannot help but the Bills offense is doing fine without him. Top 5 in yards and points. They are throwing for about 30 yards more per game than when he was here last season. TD passes are on the same clip. Third down conversion rate at the top of the league. There seems to be an assumption that is some huge dropoff, there is not. What is different is redzone performance, and especially turnovers in the redzone. Not sure how much of that a guy like Beasley can fix, he is more a move the chains guy which they are still doing. While it would be fun for him to come back, I dont think it solves their issues. IMO the issues are Josh making decisions and maybe play calls in the redzone. On top of the fact that Beasley secretly wants to sabotage Buffalo's season. Don't forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: That’s ludicrous honestly asinine You wouldn’t say that if we were discussing Antonio Brown 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Dick_Cheney said: Hell yes. Next, let’s bring back Incognito and Stevie Joshnson. Let’s go all out. Only if Ritchie sticks his fathers head on the top shelf of his locker. Otherwise, no deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 hours ago, uticaclub said: Didnt he plays two games with Tampa this year and then retire to spend more time with his family? It looks like he had a few glasses of wine and is ***** around on Twitter. If hes got anything left in the tank and can get seperation, I’m in! I think he’s absolutely toast. He was picked up by TB when they were a little banged up. He caught 4 balls for 17 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Dick_Cheney said: Hell yes. Next, let’s bring back Incognito and Stevie Joshnson. Let’s go all out. Should have brought Richie back from the get go.....> Saffold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I would love for the 2020 beasley to come back. That guy doesn't exist any more. He's oft injured and slower than he used to be. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I wish Beas never left. I certainly would like to have his clutch catching ability back but I worry that just as the RB position we're getting a little congested at the slot receiver spot if we do so. I mean I thought we were gonna have Hines line up in the slot on some plays but we haven't even managed to do that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said: Not saying he cannot help but the Bills offense is doing fine without him. Top 5 in yards and points. They are throwing for about 30 yards more per game than when he was here last season. TD passes are on the same clip. Third down conversion rate at the top of the league. There seems to be an assumption that is some huge dropoff, there is not. What is different is redzone performance, and especially turnovers in the redzone. Not sure how much of that a guy like Beasley can fix, he is more a move the chains guy which they are still doing. While it would be fun for him to come back, I dont think it solves their issues. IMO the issues are Josh making decisions and maybe play calls in the redzone. They’re scoring but the passing game isn’t fine. I don’t think Beasley is the answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I remember recently reading that Beane would welcome Beasley back on the team on the condition that Beasley would have to be the one that would have to call Beane due to Cole wanting to leave in the 1st place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Well, you know he is a team first guy👍 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 You know which Bills receiver is generating the highest average separation per route so far this season as per Next Gen stats? Isaiah McKenzie. The issue is we are not getting the ball to him and Knox (whose average separation is even higher) consistently enough. The last two weeks have been better - 7 targets for Knox vs Cleveland. 10 targets for McKenzie vs Detroit. When teams are trying to take Diggs away we have to find ways to get those two guys the ball to force opponents to change their coverage and then bring Diggs into the game. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: You know which Bills receiver is generating the highest average separation per route so far this season as per Next Gen stats? Isaiah McKenzie. The issue is we are not getting the ball to him and Knox (whose average separation is even higher) consistently enough. The last two weeks have been better - 7 targets for Knox vs Cleveland. 10 targets for McKenzie vs Detroit. When teams are trying to take Diggs away we have to find ways to get those two guys the ball to force opponents to change their coverage and then bring Diggs into the game. I agree with this. I think a lot of us have a fear of McKenzie's consistency though. If he keeps having games like last week the detractors will fade away. I'd rather the Bills go after OBJ or another WR2 that can either get real separation or challenge contested balls vertically, especially in the red zone. Gabe is a decent route runner but seems to lack the other 2 qualities. Edited December 1, 2022 by Lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lost said: I agree with this. I think a lot of us have a fear of McKenzie's consistency though. If he keeps having games like last week the detractors will fade away. It's not that he can't get open, he's so small that if any defender gets near him he drops the ball. Not sure-handed and doesn't have the size you need as an every down player. And they clearly don't trust Shakir enough at this point. They are still warming up to Cook too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: You know which Bills receiver is generating the highest average separation per route so far this season as per Next Gen stats? Isaiah McKenzie. The issue is we are not getting the ball to him and Knox (whose average separation is even higher) consistently enough. The last two weeks have been better - 7 targets for Knox vs Cleveland. 10 targets for McKenzie vs Detroit. When teams are trying to take Diggs away we have to find ways to get those two guys the ball to force opponents to change their coverage and then bring Diggs into the game. Maybe the answer to the passing game is to phase out Gabe Davis. He’ll still dominate snaps but make him a 3rd or 4th option on most passing plays. Only problem with McKenzie is his route tree is limited. He’s mostly running crossers. Knox is also catching mostly check downs. We need someone else that can run some routes and get open. Edited December 1, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 This thread kind of reminds me of the time I wanted to call my ex to see if maybe we could make another go of it but then remembered that I had an order of protection against them after they broke into my apartment, pulled every picture of an old gf I had, tore them into pieces and then set them on fire on the living room floor. Landlord was not amused. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: It's not that he can't get open, he's so small that if any defender gets near him he drops the ball. Not sure-handed and doesn't have the size you need as an every down player. And they clearly don't trust Shakir enough at this point. They are still warming up to Cook too Shakir is, in contrast to McKenzie, struggling to separate. But the answer isn't Beasley. He is toast. He is washed. He knows that himself which is why after a week of not being capable of playing anymore in Tampa he retired. The idea he magically becomes 2019-2020 Beas again simply because he wants to or the Bills want him to is for the birds. Just throw Isaiah the ball more. Use Knox. Force defenses to come up and play the underneath stuff and then hit them. 4 minutes ago, Mickey said: This thread kind of reminds me of the time I wanted to call my ex to see if maybe we could make another go of it but then remembered that I had an order of protection against them after they broke into my apartment, pulled every picture of an old gf I had, tore them into pieces and then set them on fire on the living room floor. Landlord was not amused. It's exactly that. There is a reason the Bills and Beasley broke up (and before anyone starts it wasn't Covid). It is also the reason he then stayed single all summer and his most recent relationship lasted less than a fortnight. Edited December 1, 2022 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Devilmann said: I’d take Beasley over McKenzie and Shakir any day of the week and to be honest I wish he never left. We need a good slot receiver and McKenzie hasn’t been the answer. I love Cole, but why kill McKenzie after he saved our ass with his best game in 2 years against Detroit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp566 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Watched his highlights last night. This team needs a player like him starting next year ASAP. McKenzie, despite all the hype, is not in the same league. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Grundy Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I'd love him back if he's still got it. He was a 3rd down machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: I love Cole, but why kill McKenzie after he saved our ass with his best game in 2 years against Detroit? I think people are dissing McKenzie because of incorrect expectations. When I look at his stats for the season, he is actually around his averages or above in most cases since being here. Reality is, he is not Beasley and won't be. If the coaches thought he would be, they wouldn't have drafted Shakir or brought in Crowder. Team knows what they have. McKenzie is a Man match up wr and not a zone wr. His best plays are on the move, not sitting down in a zone. Hopefully we will see him go off again tonight. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I think Crowder was meant to replace Beasley this year. They don't have that 3-7 yard zone killer. But I'm not sure how much gas (if any) he has left. He probably has more than Brown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 53 minutes ago, Mickey said: This thread kind of reminds me of the time I wanted to call my ex to see if maybe we could make another go of it but then remembered that I had an order of protection against them after they broke into my apartment, pulled every picture of an old gf I had, tore them into pieces and then set them on fire on the living room floor. Landlord was not amused. That's okay Mickey, by the sounds of it Minnie was ***** Goofy. 3 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: Since he retired under contract to Tampa… wouldn’t he need to unretire and have Tampa waive him? Had the same question. Sounds like he was on the practice squad & only elevated for games (I'm reading between the lines on this). So if he returns he can be signed to anyone's active roster from there. Anyone else know for sure? (Not that I think Beane will do this unless he's desperate bc I think Beane thinks he's washed, IMO) https://sports.yahoo.com/buccaneers-wr-cole-beasley-retires-2-weeks-after-signing-with-tampa-bay-163441927.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Dick_Cheney said: Hell yes. Next, let’s bring back Incognito and Stevie Joshnson. Let’s go all out. Is Kyle Williams still in shape? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 A guy that spent 2 years starting ***** in Buffalo suddenly says he wants to return? Call me skeptical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 34 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: I think people are dissing McKenzie because of incorrect expectations. When I look at his stats for the season, he is actually around his averages or above in most cases since being here. Reality is, he is not Beasley and won't be. If the coaches thought he would be, they wouldn't have drafted Shakir or brought in Crowder. Team knows what they have. McKenzie is a Man match up wr and not a zone wr. His best plays are on the move, not sitting down in a zone. Hopefully we will see him go off again tonight. 😁 I am assuming he is seeing a lot more time on the field and a much more regular role on offense this year so we are right to expect more production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Bring em back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 36 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: I think people are dissing McKenzie because of incorrect expectations. When I look at his stats for the season, he is actually around his averages or above in most cases since being here. Reality is, he is not Beasley and won't be. If the coaches thought he would be, they wouldn't have drafted Shakir or brought in Crowder. Team knows what they have. McKenzie is a Man match up wr and not a zone wr. His best plays are on the move, not sitting down in a zone. Hopefully we will see him go off again tonight. 😁 Sounds right on the money. Why do you think Shakir has not been targeted at all? He’s got ability. I wonder if Josh just has him buried in the back of the progressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Eastport bills said: Sounds right on the money. Why do you think Shakir has not been targeted at all? He’s got ability. I wonder if Josh just has him buried in the back of the progressions. I think he has had trouble learning to read NFL defenses and making hot reads on the fly. The physical ability is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I am assuming he is seeing a lot more time on the field and a much more regular role on offense this year so we are right to expect more production. And he is doing that. But when you have 5+ years of data and averages, you can't really expect a LOT more than what he's alrready shown. If you expected 80+ catches and 800-1,000 yards, your expectations are way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 We miss him in the offense way more that I thought we would. At the end of the day, if Allen wants him back, do it. Should be his call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 3 hours ago, NUT said: I thought he was done? He sucked in Tampa? Obviously his health preferences caused them to all get sick. Good thing he's not an "I told you so" type of guy, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 He's washed. He's a punk. He wanted out of Buffalo, and now that he has seen reality of the outside world, wants back in. Tough. If he could play at all, I might be interested. But he's physically done and not worth the hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Sounds right on the money. Why do you think Shakir has not been targeted at all? He’s got ability. I wonder if Josh just has him buried in the back of the progressions. I thinks there's a multitude of reasons. We know the Bills tend to bring rookies on slowly and with the vets of Crowder early on and McKenzie, he wasn't getting time to build the trust with Josh and as I said in other posts a 47% catch rate doesn't help. With McKenzie not being great against zone, I would have expected more snaps for Shakir and I do expect more going forward. He's still got time to learn and find ways to get seperation, but he's got to catch it when he IS targeted. I think tonight will be a good time for him to show what he's learned and what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Would love to see it. His best game as a Bill ever may have been last season's Halloween game against the Dolphins. Something like 11 receptions and 6 or 7 of them for first down conversions. All of them seemingly bigger than the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Dick_Cheney said: Hell yes. Next, let’s bring back Incognito and Stevie Joshnson. Let’s go all out. Let's go old school too and get Eric Moulds back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Bease had an innate knack for finding the open spot to get a first down, and rarely dropped one of Josh's bullets. He kept the chains moving. Yeah, if he's still got anything, I'd love to have him back. Besides, my wife has the #11 Beasley shirt, so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, SoMAn said: Bease had an innate knack for finding the open spot to get a first down, and rarely dropped one of Josh's bullets. He kept the chains moving. Yeah, if he's still got anything, I'd love to have him back. Besides, my wife has the #11 Beasley shirt, so there's that. Same. My wife’s first jersey. She feels she cursed the whole thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, Sundancer said: I think Crowder was meant to replace Beasley this year. They don't have that 3-7 yard zone killer. But I'm not sure how much gas (if any) he has left. He probably has more than Brown. i really think he's the "hidden MVP" in that he had an outsized value to the team vs how visible he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfBubbleGum Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Bring back Beasley! Definitely a fan favorite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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