NFLPA initiating investigation into Tua’s concussion protocol

[pi2000]

insider footage of the independent neurologist interviewing Tua at half-time.....
 

 

[Orlando Tim]

There a few levels I can see the doctor saying he does not have a concussion, all predicated on dolphin organization not sharing full info with doctor 

1) not seeing video, that alone should have required he go into protocol and be done for day.

2) delay the exam for 15 minutes until he gets his wits about him 

3) doctor being given a strict set of standards that the NFL and NFLPA agreed to, which Tua did not fulfill. 

 

I would be shocked if a doctor would put his license on line to help the dolphins win the game.

 

[quinnearlysghost88]

I would like to see figures on times a player has shown concussion-type symptoms on the field and they are evaluated and allowed to continue playing in the game. 

[Pokebball]

2 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

I would like to see figures on times a player has shown concussion-type symptoms on the field and they are evaluated and allowed to continue playing in the game. 

The optics sure don't look good. For that reason, I think an investigation is warranted. 

[The Wiz]

3 hours ago, pi2000 said:

insider footage of the independent neurologist interviewing Tua at half-time.....
 

 

Sounds like some of the PhDs I work with on campus. 

[quinnearlysghost88]

1 minute ago, Pokebball said:

The optics sure don't look good. For that reason, I think an investigation is warranted. 

Same. And honestly I’m not even complaining that we had to Tua. It’s just fair play. We had to pull Josh some years ago vs the Pats at home in a close game we lost by 6. Fair is fair. 

[Airseven]

All this goes into the "old news, who cares, nothing will come of it" bucket.

[Gugny]

16 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Same. And honestly I’m not even complaining that we had to Tua. It’s just fair play. We had to pull Josh some years ago vs the Pats at home in a close game we lost by 6. Fair is fair. 

 

Fair is fair and right is right.

 

I couldn't give a rat's ass about how Tua coming back affected the game.  This is a 24-year-old (young) man who has his entire career and life ahead of him.  It is ABUNDANDLY clear that he should not have been allowed to return to the game.

 

Even if this independent neurologist cleared him, someone on the Dolphins staff should have immediately asked, "What?  Are you f*cking kidding me?  Did you not see that this kid was literally out on his feet just minutes ago??!"

 

Someone has to advocate for the long-term safety of these players.  Especially the high-profile ones - AKA, the ones who line the pockets of the NFL/Owners.

 

This situation has made clear that the current concussion "protocol" rules don't do that across the board.

[jlgarsh]

On 9/26/2022 at 1:48 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

They should also look into shade for the opponents 

 

Are they going to wait until someone dies from heat stroke ?

 

for a guy who has suffered bad back issues 

 

that is not how one walks when you suffer from disc problems 

This. I had a ruptured disc that made my left leg drag like a zombie (luckily surgery helped). He grabbed at his head, sat there stunned, then fell over trying to walk off the field. When your back flares up, the last thing you’re going to do is sit like that. 

[H2o]

I wish they'd stop with the Tua back injury bs. When Milano hits him, he whiplashes, and his head slams into the ground. He gets up, goes to walk, shakes his head, and proceeds to wobble like a punch drunk boxer. The fact that these idiots in sports media are feeding the story is stupid af. 

Edited September 29, 2022 by H2o

[nucci]

11 minutes ago, H2o said:

I wish they'd stop with th Tua back injury bs. When Milano hits him, he whiplashes, and his head slams into the ground. He gets up, goes to walk, shakes his head, and proceeds to wobble like a punch drunk boxer. The fact that these idiots in sports media are feeding the story is stupid af. 

It's past ridiculous. People just lie

[co_springs_billsfan]

As Bills fans we really need to lay off the Dolphins and Tua here. None of us has given Tua a medical exam. And it's not like the Dolphins have any recent history circumventing the NFL's rules

[4merper4mer]

25 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

As Bills fans we really need to lay off the Dolphins and Tua here. None of us has given Tua a medical exam. And it's not like the Dolphins have any recent history circumventing the NFL's rules

You’re right.  I wonder who they will pick with their first rounder this year.  Oh, wait.

[KHAN]

35 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

As Bills fans we really need to lay off the Dolphins and Tua here. None of us has given Tua a medical exam. And it's not like the Dolphins have any recent history circumventing the NFL's rules

[Freak-O]

If he has a back injury that makes him lose the ability to walk he definitely shouldn’t be allowed to play football. 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

I wish they'd stop with the Tua back injury bs. When Milano hits him, he whiplashes, and his head slams into the ground. He gets up, goes to walk, shakes his head, and proceeds to wobble like a punch drunk boxer. The fact that these idiots in sports media are feeding the story is stupid af. 

I heard Sal C. say on GR earlier that when he first went out of the game, they referred to his injury as a head injury. 

[Scott7975]

11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I heard Sal C. say on GR earlier that when he first went out of the game, they referred to his injury as a head injury. 

 

They did.  The sideline reporter reported that on TV or at least someone from the media there did.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Scott7975

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

They did.  The sideline reporter reported that on TV or at least someone from the media there did.

They must have eyes or something.

[LabattBlue]

For days now I have been studying the thread title, and still can’t wrap my arms around what was violated in regards to the concession protocol.

 

Did Tua grab a hot dog and a beer prior to being checked out by the doctors, when protocol dictates no eating prior to seeing the medical staff?

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, H2o said:

I wish they'd stop with the Tua back injury bs. When Milano hits him, he whiplashes, and his head slams into the ground. He gets up, goes to walk, shakes his head, and proceeds to wobble like a punch drunk boxer. The fact that these idiots in sports media are feeding the story is stupid af. 

 

 

The unspoken truth is that most fans, media, network execs, team management, owners, fellow players.........basically anyone with a vested interest in the quality of the game..........don't want players to have to leave games for getting their "bell rung" like that.    It's why it's so hard to actually enforce.    

[Ralonzo]

They have to investigate this in the light of day now, after a pretty regular tackle causes a stretchering. There will be no sweeping this under the rug any longer.

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

They have to investigate this in the light of day now, after a pretty regular tackle causes a stretchering. There will be no sweeping this under the rug any longer.

 

My mother has worked in Neurology for nearly 50 years. As soon as she saw that she said that’s either head trauma or a spinal issue as the nerves to his hand were clearly not working.

[aristocrat]

Dolphins gonna be like we lost all our medical stuff in the hurricane. 

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

My mother has worked in Neurology for nearly 50 years. As soon as she saw that she said that’s either head trauma or a spinal issue as the nerves to his hand were clearly not working.

I did mention in one of the threads that the argument over concussion vs back injury seemed inconsequential last week. As if a back injury of that scope would be fine to play with?

[Scott7975]

Cant tell me now that it wasnt a concussion last week. (never thought it wasnt)

Edited September 30, 2022 by Scott7975

[Ralonzo]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

My mother has worked in Neurology for nearly 50 years. As soon as she saw that she said that’s either head trauma or a spinal issue as the nerves to his hand were clearly not working.

 

I mean, his fingers were palsied. There's no explaining that away like, I dunno, grabbing his head and stumbling around like closing time.

[Royale with Cheese]

That was awful.  I really hope he’s okay…I hated seeing that.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I did mention in one of the threads that the argument over concussion vs back injury seemed inconsequential last week. As if a back injury of that scope would be fine to play with?

 

I think this deserves it’s own thread at this point. This is deep $#@%. 

 

 

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Edited September 30, 2022 by Augie

[Seoulofstone]

I hate this for Tua. Just horrible to see.

[Scott7975]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

That was awful.  I really hope he’s okay…I hated seeing that.

 

Totally agree. Its pretty serious if he is going to level 1 trauma.  The NFL needs to not cover this ***** up though.  If they did their job last week this might not have happened.

Here is the other thing... if his back got hurt so bad that he collapsed on the field but didnt find it necessary to get xrays, mri's, ct scans?  Come on now.

[Herc11]

The worse part is he just hit his head in the same manner and his brain suffered a second injury on top of a pre-existing brain contusion. Its going to be a long time until he is able to clear protocol.

[blacklabel]

Dolphins are gonna ruin that kid. The BS they pulled last week with the back injury is abysmal. The dude slammed his head, then showed telltale signs of a concussion and they go, "oh uh, it was this back thing." Frickin' crap. And now tonight he takes a shot and needs to be taken off on a stretcher. 

 

Absolutely eff the Dolphins. Hope they lose every game, McDaniel gets fired and they lose draft picks for being negligent, irresponsible jerks. Clearly player safety doesn't mean crap to them considering they designed their stadium renovations to force the opponent to bake in unbearable heat. A "genius move" according to ol' Tua. 

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

They have to investigate this in the light of day now, after a pretty regular tackle causes a stretchering. There will be no sweeping this under the rug any longer.

 

 

It had better.

 

CTE could have cancelled pro football.........it's put a big hit on youth football enrollment.........the league had done a pretty good job of limiting the amount of nasty concussions that we see by being extra careful in recent years.

 

But leave it to the douchebag Dolphins organization that has spent the last couple years acting like rules don't apply to them to pretend like the concussion crisis never happened and let Tua get annihilated 5 days after clearly suffering a concussion against Buffalo.

[ehfeuh57]

Too bad he was playing in a game 4 days after the "Back Injury"

[Captain Caveman]

I know people are upset with the Dolphins, but really the doctor that cleared him needs to lose his job.  Most NFL teams would possibly skirt rules to try and pull out a win, and the independent physician is supposed to be a safeguard against that.  He failed at his job and is responsible for Tua's health. 

[ArtVandalay]

Looks like he's got a finger injury now. 

[Playoffs?]

1 minute ago, Captain Caveman said:

I know people are upset with the Dolphins, but really the doctor that cleared him needs to lose his job.  Most NFL teams would possibly skirt rules to try and pull out a win, and the independent physician is supposed to be a safeguard against that.  He failed at his job and is responsible for Tua's health. 

We have no idea what happened from when Tua hit his head on the ground (last week) to when he came back out.m in second half. We have no idea who was responsible for what, or who was pulling strings.  We don’t know sh!t. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

23 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Dolphins gonna be like we lost all our medical stuff in the hurricane. 

people have died and you are making jokes?

 

WTF is wrong with you 

[Captain Caveman]

1 minute ago, Playoffs? said:

We have no idea what happened from when Tua hit his head on the ground (last week) to when he came back out.m in second half. We have no idea who was responsible for what, or who was pulling strings.  We don’t know sh!t. 

We know that there is supposed to be an independent doctor who has the final say, who is supposed to ultimately be responsible for concussion monitoring, and obviously they failed.

[Augie]

I smell the Pats* getting an extra comp pick. 

 

 

I apologize, that was horrific because letting him back in the game was ridiculous. And I’m not talking about winning or losing.