TheBrownBear Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Am I concerned about Elam? Yes, I'm concerned about the future health of any member of the Bills secondary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I feel pretty darn good about that measurement already. A running back with 112 rushing yards through 3 games does not = a starting cornerback. I think Hall is a solid player but you never prioritise starting running back over starting corner. Never. He would have to be an elite running back and Elam a kind of Levi Wallace borderline starter for Hall to win that measuring competition. You should include Halls pass catching too, he's far more physically gifted than any RB on our roster and if you include his receiving works he's out produced them all too, while playing for the Jets. Also, if your want to take this route, Elam wasnt a starting CB until Dane Jackson and Benford got hurt. And i competely disagree that you need to be an elite RB vs a mediocre CB to be valued more, that's crazy. 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I’ve never seen anyone measure him against Breece hall - what does that mean That was both a fan and media favorite pick for the Bills, top RB in the class. Essentially the most popular guy they passed up that fit their offense, at a need, and was considered a BPA. Edited September 27, 2022 by ArtVandalay 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: You should include Halls pass catching too, he's far more physically gifted than any RB on our roster and if you include his receiving works he's out produced them all too, while playing for the Jets. Also, if your want to take this route, Elam wasnt a starting CB until Dane Jackson and Benford got hurt. And i competely disagree that you need to be an elite RB vs a mediocre CB to be valued more, that's crazy. That was both a fan and media favorite pick for the Bills, top RB in the class. Essentially the most popular guy they passed up that fit their offense, at a need, and was considered a BPA. I agree Hall is better than all their backs. But I stand by if Elam turns out to be a good NFL starting corner then I'd take that even if Hall becomes elite. Running back is the last valuable position on the field. If Elam is just mediocre guy who can hold down a starting job but you are always trying to upgrade then fine, take the elite back. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He’s a rookie who just went against the fastest two receivers in the nfl. Next to quarterback, cornerback is the hardest position in the nfl to play. Grab 2 friends, play cb, have them run a pass route, and you can’t touch them after 5 yards. Now imagine if one of them runs a 4.3. I think Hill's 40 time actually starts with a 4.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Krentist Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Solid game today. Don't know if Lamar threw it in his direction. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 shout out to Elam had a solid game..... look at the secondary depth growing on this team 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 When you don't hear a corner's name (outside of an interception) that's usually a good sign. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: shout out to Elam had a solid game..... look at the secondary depth growing on this team Can’t wait to get Rhodes back /s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Can’t wait to get Rhodes back /s White will be back soon. He is already eligible to come off PuP now. Rhodes shouldnt really matter unless we get more injuries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: White will be back soon. He is already eligible to come off PuP now. Rhodes shouldnt really matter unless we get more injuries. Yeah, that’s what the /s was there for. We sign the guy and he immediately goes on PS IR for 4 weeks😅 Kinda defeats the purpose he was brought in for. Edited October 3, 2022 by HurlyBurly51 Update 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Elam is a stud. I've barely noticed him for 2 weeks which means he's doing his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I am not convinced he is a pro bowler yet but the past two weeks make it seem he and Benford are gonna be good players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Nope.. not worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Yeah, that’s what the /s was there for. We sign the guy and he immediately goes on PS IR for 4 weeks😅 Kinda defeats the purpose he was brought in for. Yeah that was kinda a bummer for sure. Thank god we got Dane back this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 He's mastered the goalie academy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 1 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 It would appear Elam has done his homework…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobills89 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 With the rookies playing well white and now Rhodes. One of the guys could be switched to FS. Although Hamlin hasn't played bad either. Going to be a great secondary once everyone's healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Elam has been very unnoticeable which is a great thing as a rookie CB 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) If he's as good as his numbers so far indicate, then I am very concerned - Where are they going to find the money to pay this guy in four years? Edited October 3, 2022 by skibum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Elam has done very well I think. Now imagine White, Elam and Benford all healthy at one time on the field... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 2:58 PM, ArtVandalay said: Singletary isn't even in the same stratosphere as Breece Hall. Come on dude. Hall has 21 total yards more(291 vs 270) and an additional TD(2 vs 1) with 2 more touches(53 vs 51) than Singletary. Through 4 games that's about as close as it gets. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Elam has done very well I think. Now imagine White, Elam and Benford all healthy at one time on the field... I think Jackson is the number 2 opposite Tre when he comes back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I think Jackson is the number 2 opposite Tre when he comes back. Yeah, I was going to mention him. Having Tre, Dane and Kair, and don't forget about Taron, and you have a strong secondary. It will allow Benford more time to heal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Doc said: Yeah, I was going to mention him. Having Tre, Dane and Kair, and don't forget about Taron, and you have a strong secondary. It will allow Benford more time to heal. Taron is a defacto starter since the Bills are in nickel the vast majority of the time as their base defense, and he is one of the best nickel corners in the NFL... Noticed him on Andrews a bunch yesterday...he had a pretty quiet day 2 for 15 yards...after Hill was limited to 2 for 33. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 24 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Elam has done very well I think. Now imagine White, Elam and Benford all healthy at one time on the field... Is Benford a Safety in your scenario? He looks too good to keep off the field, and - as good as he looks - I think he's 4th in the outside CB pecking order once everyone is healthy. Not sure if there's precedent to convert a guy mid-season, but might make sense to start having him practice at Safety over the bye week to see if he can unseat Hamlin/Johnson as the guy opposite Poyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not sure if there's precedent to convert a guy mid-season, but might make sense to start having him practice at Safety over the bye week to see if he can unseat Hamlin/Johnson as the guy opposite Poyer. I don't understand this thinking at all. Hamlin and Johnson have been in the Bills system for years and have filled in admirably when called upon. I don't see any situation where Benford unseats them, especially this season. Now, if you want to start converting Benford to serve as a backup to these guys in case of further injury, then I get that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I’m sensing a pattern from the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 This team is absolutely loaded at the DB spot. White, Jackson, Benford, Elam and Taron. That probably is the best 5 CB combo in the league and when you look at the safeties it's the same, Hyde, Poyer, Hamlin and Johnson. We are stacked with DB's which is why we can have multiple injuries on this front and still perform at a high level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 No!! Next question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: I don't understand this thinking at all. Hamlin and Johnson have been in the Bills system for years and have filled in admirably when called upon. I don't see any situation where Benford unseats them, especially this season. Now, if you want to start converting Benford to serve as a backup to these guys in case of further injury, then I get that. This is what I think the plan has been for Benford since we drafted him. I think he just played so well at CB to start that they had to get him on the field. Long term I think he is viewed as a safety replacement for Hyde/Poyer. And I would imagine that transition starts this season (in practice). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Magox said: This team is absolutely loaded at the DB spot. White, Jackson, Benford, Elam and Taron. That probably is the best 5 CB combo in the league and when you look at the safeties it's the same, Hyde, Poyer, Hamlin and Johnson. We are stacked with DB's which is why we can have multiple injuries on this front and still perform at a high level. It seems that pretty much everyone the Bills put in at DB performs well. I believe it starts with them being exceptional at finding players who fit their scheme well which then allows to perform at a high level when they are forced into action, even when they don't have much experience. These players might not be the "best" in terms of overall talent, but they are perfect fits for what the Bills need them to do. Edited October 3, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 DBs develop fast under McDermott, Frazier, Butler and Salgado (Safeties Coach)....the injuries suck, but man oh man, the Bills are going to have a plethora of options at CB by the time December and January roll around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Hall has 21 total yards more(291 vs 270) and an additional TD(2 vs 1) with 2 more touches(53 vs 51) than Singletary. Through 4 games that's about as close as it gets. So you are comparing the stats of the first 4 games of a rookie's career on a garbage offense vs those of a 4th year vet mid prime on the highest powered offense in football, he's still ahead, and that proves a point? Look at their talentc and athletic profile. Singletary can't hold a candle to Hall. Singletary is one of the least athletic starting RBs in the entire league... Hall is a physical specimen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, ArtVandalay said: So you are comparing the stats of the first 4 games of a rookie's career on a garbage offense vs those of a 4th year vet mid prime on the highest powered offense in football, he's still ahead, and that proves a point? Look at their talentc and athletic profile. Singletary can't hold a candle to Hall. Singletary is one of the least athletic starting RBs in the entire league... Hall is a physical specimen. Why not? You're comparing a RB who was selected early in the 2nd round(36th) and the first RB off the board with a RB drafted in the middle of the 3rd round(74th) and the 5th RB drafted that year. RB is not a position you need time to become good when your considered the top RB of your class. Plug and play. Devin's also at a disadvantage running behind this offensive line. A line no one's been able to run behind over the last 3-4 years not named Josh Allen. Running is an after thought here and is mostly done on obvious running downs. Point is their stats are nearly identical. FYI....Have you watched any Jets games this year, cause by your description of their offense it doesn't appear you that you have and you're going off old information. Their offense ranks 8th this year, only 5 slots behind us. That's far from being garbage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Apologies for double posting, but I earlier put this in @Virgil thread. Seems relevant here: Kaiir Elam vs Ravens: 43 coverage snaps 1 target 0 receptions allowed The Bills rookie CB was LOCKDOWN. (Twitter: NFL rookie watch) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, PaattMaann said: This is what I think the plan has been for Benford since we drafted him. I think he just played so well at CB to start that they had to get him on the field. Long term I think he is viewed as a safety replacement for Hyde/Poyer. And I would imagine that transition starts this season (in practice). Why would they do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Magox said: This team is absolutely loaded at the DB spot. White, Jackson, Benford, Elam and Taron. That probably is the best 5 CB combo in the league and when you look at the safeties it's the same, Hyde, Poyer, Hamlin and Johnson. We are stacked with DB's which is why we can have multiple injuries on this front and still perform at a high level. 👍🏻 McD and Frazier are DB masterminds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 This guy has been shutting it down completely 2 games in a row 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just wait until this dude gets burned once. People will be jumping out of the woodwork with their concerns citing stuff from training camp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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