OT: Belichick says that Mac's improvement is "dramatic"

[Success]

Outside of New England, I doubt any fanbase knows and understands the Sith Lord more than Bills fans.

 

He doesn't say stuff like that.

 

Just wanted to get a temperature out there:  there has been a ton of Jones hype this offseason, and at minimum, he IS in much better shape physically.

 

Any concern at all that we could be in for another run from that team?  Obviously, we're still top dog for the time being, but if Jones does pan out, I could see them being more like Miami was in the '90's to the team we had then.

 

My own 2 cents is that I still don't see it.  He can't really improvise, and arm strength will always be an issue. He also struggles against man coverage.  But he does have the cerebral thing.

 

[Beast]

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

"Dramatically?"

 

"Well, I like to think that the way he complains to officials for calls is already Brady like. He could be a soccer star."

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I understand that Jones has been really impressing

[17islongenough]

To bad he has no one to throw to

[Greg S]

The measure of greatness in a QB is how he handles those pressure packed moments from March to July.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

I don’t really see it…I think he’ll be consistently good but he came into the league pretty close to his ceiling and faded pretty hard against better competition down the stretch.  A qbs development isn’t always linear with improvements each year…a lot of guys have their best year their rookie year before defenses adjust to their tendencies then flame out 

[clayboy54]

Didn't he say the same thing about Brian Hoyer at one point?

[stevewin]

But is he thick?

 

The perpetual Mac Jones hype is a joke - his ceiling is game manager - give me a break.

[BillsfaninSB]

I don’t believe anything that is printed this time of year, including Bills related stuff.

 

Just training camp speak.

 

 

[Success]

20 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I don’t really see it…I think he’ll be consistently good but he came into the league pretty close to his ceiling and faded pretty hard against better competition down the stretch.  A qbs development isn’t always linear with improvements each year…a lot of guys have their best year their rookie year before defenses adjust to their tendencies then flame out 

 

That's how I feel about it. He's clearly pretty solid.

 

In a way, that could be a good scenario for the division.  The Pats have a Cousins/Alex Jones type of guy - good, but not close to great.  They have to overpay him in a couple of years, and he's their long-term guy, but he can only take them so far.

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

39 minutes ago, Success said:

Outside of New England, I doubt any fanbase knows and understands the Sith Lord more than Bills fans.

 

He doesn't say stuff like that.

 

Just wanted to get a temperature out there:  there has been a ton of Jones hype this offseason, and at minimum, he IS in much better shape physically.

 

Any concern at all that we could be in for another run from that team?  Obviously, we're still top dog for the time being, but if Jones does pan out, I could see them being more like Miami was in the '90's to the team we had then.

 

My own 2 cents is that I still don't see it.  He can't really improvise, and arm strength will always be an issue. He also struggles against man coverage.  But he does have the cerebral thing.

 

So if McD praises Edmunds it means he is getting an extension. If BB praises his QB it means nothing or something else.

 

It's all coach speak and we read way too much into it.  Myself included.

[Logic]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

That's how I feel about it. He's clearly pretty solid.

 

In a way, that could be a good scenario for the division.  The Pats have a Cousins/Alex Jones type of guy - good, but not close to great.  They have to overpay him in a couple of years, and he's their long-term guy, but he can only take them so far.

 

 

Oh dear.

[Juice_32]

Mac Jones sucks 

[FilthyBeast]

42 minutes ago, Success said:

Outside of New England, I doubt any fanbase knows and understands the Sith Lord more than Bills fans.

 

He doesn't say stuff like that.

 

Just wanted to get a temperature out there:  there has been a ton of Jones hype this offseason, and at minimum, he IS in much better shape physically.

 

Any concern at all that we could be in for another run from that team?  Obviously, we're still top dog for the time being, but if Jones does pan out, I could see them being more like Miami was in the '90's to the team we had then.

 

My own 2 cents is that I still don't see it.  He can't really improvise, and arm strength will always be an issue. He also struggles against man coverage.  But he does have the cerebral thing.

 

 

As long as Belichik is around there should be legitimate concern regarding the Patriots.

 

I don't think Mac Jones is quite Tom Brady and they are going to go on another 20 year run, but the information regarding his off season improvement has been consistent and do expect to see improvement on the field and I don't think this team is going to underestimate the Pats (and rest of division) like some of the fans are.

[DasNootz]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

Oh dear.

 

Stop... it's obvious the poster meant Tom Jones.

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2022 by DasNootz

[hondo in seattle]

BB also said Mac isn't 'there' yet.

 

"He’s worked hard to get better, and we’ve identified areas of improvement, as well. We’re not there yet, but we’ll keep working at it.”

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/belichick-on-patriots-qb-mac-jones-dramatic-improvement/ar-AAZZz4r

[Brand J]

If Mac Jones had Buffalo’s weapons I think he’d be a legitimate concern. His arm strength is much talked about, but it’s decent enough, better than a Chad Pennington. He can get the ball to where it needs to be. Stop comparing his arm talent to Josh Allen, it’s not fair to him. And he doesn’t need Allen’s arm strength, he just needs to know where to go with the football, but needs playmakers to be able to do something with it. He lacks those weapons.

[eball]

This is all well and good, but I just don't think we're going to hear Sean McDermott telling local media "Mac Jones is a problem."

 

[716er]

Can one please define whatever the hell "the cerebral thing" means?

[PromoTheRobot]

8 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

If Mac Jones had Buffalo’s weapons I think he’d be a legitimate concern. His arm strength is much talked about, but it’s decent enough, better than a Chad Pennington. He can get the ball to where it needs to be. Stop comparing his arm talent to Josh Allen, it’s not fair to him. And he doesn’t need Allen’s arm strength, he just needs to know where to go with the football, but needs playmakers to be able to do something with it. He lacks those weapons.

 

Are we so sure of that?

 

This should work out well.

[FilthyBeast]

8 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

If Mac Jones had Buffalo’s weapons I think he’d be a legitimate concern. His arm strength is much talked about, but it’s decent enough, better than a Chad Pennington. He can get the ball to where it needs to be. Stop comparing his arm talent to Josh Allen, it’s not fair to him. And he doesn’t need Allen’s arm strength, he just needs to know where to go with the football, but needs playmakers to be able to do something with it. He lacks those weapons.

 

I'll never understand the obsession with arm strength like it's the only thing that matters for a QB.

 

Sure the rockets like Allen/Mahomes/Rogers/etc are great but some of the greatest QB's in NFL history also had 'questionable' arm strength including Jone's HOF predecessor and GOAT.

[Success]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

Can one please define whatever the hell "the cerebral thing" means?

 

For me, it's decision-making ability & the ability to process things quickly.

 

I was impressed how he would go through his reads, and make quick decisions. I think his arm held him back more than anything.

 

[Logic]

Mac Jones' ceiling, in my opinion, is Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, Chad Pennington...that type of guy.

Which is to say: surround him with a good running game and defense, and he can bring his team to the playoffs most of the time. 

As far as consistently threatening the Bills for the AFC East or threatening for a Lombardi? I don't see it.

The modern NFL is dominated by quarterbacks who can improvise, play out of structure, make off-platform throws, and are generally next level athletic phenoms who can carry their teams on their backs.

Sure, every few years you'll get an outlier, but most years, the Allens, Mahomes, and Rodgers of the world will continue to dominate. Defenses are simply too good nowadays, especially once you get to the playoffs. If you don't have a guy who can create his own offense against those elite defenses....good luck.

Another way of saying this is that I don't view Mac Jones (or Tua Tagovailoa, for that matter) being a threat to regularly outduel Josh Allen in big games or to regularly foster more team success than the elite quarterbacks.

 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Logic

[nucci]

Most QBs show big improvement from their rookie year to 2nd season. Not surprising.

[Steptide]

I don't mock or make fun of any qb, especially after what everyone thought Josh would be and what he's become 

[Matt_In_NH]

Hopefully it will be as dramatic as Epenesa's last  year

[PonyBoy]

22 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

 

Stop... it's obvious the poster meant Tom Jones.

 

 

 

 

Hmmm...your comment is So Unusual...😏

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

Most QBs show big improvement from their rookie year to 2nd season. Not surprising.

 

Allen did improve from year 1 to 2 but his breakout season was 3. Even Tony Romo mentioned this. He basically said if a QB hasn't shown that he has the "it" factor by year 3 then he probably never will. The game usually slows down for a QB by year 3. 

[John from Riverside]

But is he thikkk though

[Whites Bay]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

Another way of saying this is that I don't view Mac Jones (or Tua Tagovailoa, for that matter) being a threat to regularly outduel Josh Allen in big games or to regularly foster more team success than the elite quarterbacks.

 

Word has it that A.J. McCarron is available.  The Alabama Trio of Doom.

[atlbillsfan1975]

When Jones was called upon to win games last year, he could not. Jones has an average, at best arm. NE isn't doing him any favors with talent at WR or coaching. McDaniels is arguably a top 5 OC, as much as I do not like the way he presents himself I have to admit that, now who is he play caller and designer of the offense? If NE was any other franchise everyone would be raising eyebrows at how things are unfolding in Foxboro, because it is Belichick, he gets a pass. Let's see how much longer that is the case after they miss the playoffs again. 

[Scott7975]

Still not worried about Mac and Cheese.

[Greg S]

QB's in the AFCE go like this. Superman, Moe, Larry, Curly.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

This is great news. The more they stick with him, the less they are a threat. 
 

I expect Mac to get better, but is his ceiling anything more than a prime Matt Schaub or prime Chad Pennington?

[That's No Moon]

In related news, the Bills still haven't punted against New England's defense...

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

This is great news. The more they stick with him, the less they are a threat. 
 

I expect Mac to get better, but is his ceiling anything more than a prime Matt Schaub or prime Chad Pennington?

 

Out of all the teams in the division I think they had the worst offseason. I know Bill is still there and they do have some talent but I wouldn't be surprised if they finish last in the division. I definitely think they will finish behind the Bills and Dolphins. It just depends on how much the Jets improve.

[BuffaloMatt]

"We won the offseason" - Rex Ryan 

[Success]

I think if Belichick retired, pretty much everything about that team would be a moot point.  

 

Put that roster under most other coaches, and they're middlin' at best.  There are almost no players that they have that I would take over a Bills player at the same position.  Maybe Barmore?

 

And same in reverse for Jones, imo.  If he was in a sitation last year like Lawrence had w/ the Jags, or Wilson with the Jets, no one would be talking about him.

 

[DasNootz]

30 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Are we so sure of that?

 

This should work out well.

They're not naming Patricia as OC so that Detroit is still on the hook for his salary through this season, and Patrica gets to avoid doing the weekly coordinator calls/interviews.