You don't pay safeties, linebackers, or interior linemen.

[unbillievable]

 

Cowherd explains how you build Superbowl contending rosters.

 

Should Buffalo let Poyer,  and Edmunds walk?

Edited July 24, 2022 by unbillievable

[TBBills]

1 hour ago, unbillievable said:

 

Cowherd explains how you build Superbowl contending rosters.

 

Should Buffalo let Poyer,  and Edmunds walk?

He was saying you don't pay them top money in the league... Edmunds and Poyer are not top money players. Poyer is in his 30's, Edmunds is...

[GunnerBill]

21 hours ago, unbillievable said:

 

Cowherd explains how you build Superbowl contending rosters.

 

Should Buffalo let Poyer,  and Edmunds walk?

 

This isn't new. It is well known. There are exceptions to every rule, but in general they are the positions you do not commit big resources to. Add tight end and running back too. 

Edited July 25, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

The way the teams are paying for QBs, this might literally become true.

*
"You're a linebacker?  OK, sign on the 6 month contract, you get 3 square meals a day, Uber service, and an efficiency apartment.  Pay?!  That IS your pay!"

🙁

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I still think this is a sneaky attempt at a 'backdoor' Dump Edmunds! thread.

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, unbillievable said:

 

Cowherd explains how you build Superbowl contending rosters.

 

Should Buffalo let Poyer,  and Edmunds walk?

 

Does Cowherd know that Bills have 2 LBs so both are outside linebackers and Edmunds covers area in middle and outside?

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This isn't new. It is well known. There are exceptions to every rule, but in general they are the positions you do not commit big resources to. Add tight end and running back too. 

The one I disagree with you on is tight end. You pay elite tight ends (Kelce, Waller, Kittle, Andrews). There are just very few of them. Knox could put himself in that category if he keeps progressing.

[Southern_Bills]

14 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

The one I disagree with you on is tight end. You pay elite tight ends (Kelce, Waller, Kittle, Andrews). There are just very few of them. Knox could put himself in that category if he keeps progressing.

 

This is true with one caveat, all players mentioned are "weapons" who happen to play TE.

 

You don't pay a TE unless he is an elite pass catcher/ YAC guy.

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, unbillievable said:

 

Cowherd explains how you build Superbowl contending rosters.

 

Should Buffalo let Poyer,  and Edmunds walk?

wow profound. Would have never known different positions have different comparative values if I hadn’t heard it from this clown.

[78thealltimegreat]

The Dallas Cowboys have refused to upgrade safety since Roy Williams left how’s that working out for them?
If you have an elite safety or duo like the bills have you do your best to keep them or use a high pick to make the transition easy.
Now Linebackers I kinda agree I think you can find quality backers all over the draft and free agency.  

[Dopey]

GM of the year, he's not. He can be wrong, change his mind and still keep his job. Glad he's not building our team.

IMO, build up the middle. Both trenches and on defense, building up the middle. Someone is going to love working with Edmunds if we don't sign him.

2nd edit: he said a whole lot of nothing on this subject. 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Dopey

[HardyBoy]

How much of this applies to position scarcity and quality of available replacements.

 

Anyone honestly arguing you wouldn't want prime Adrian Peterson on your team or Antonio Gates? To me, it's that there are very few of those players available and a very wide middle where the difference between the 25th best player and the 75th best player at the position is negligible.

 

Of course I also understand position importance, like you don't pay your kicker qb money, but I watched the Cowherd clip when it was first on YouTube and you pay Dawson Knox.

 

Also, people are wrong on Edmunds...same people who were wrong on Allen, Knox and Oliver. You're like polar bears on ever shrinking ice caps...

[Don Otreply]

     Ya better pay them something more than minimum, ( I’m not saying give the house away of course) but when you pay peanuts, you get monkeys, this getting great play for vet minimum type wages is a fallacy, that sort of wage is for backups, not starters, players who take vet minimum aren’t top players at the position your trying to fill on a top team.
 

   Also remember the salary cap is just accounting, and can be manipulated in all number of ways, look at the Rams or many other teams for that matter, jmo, feel free to disagree at your leisure. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[NoHuddleKelly12]

3 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

The way the teams are paying for QBs, this might literally become true.

*
"You're a linebacker?  OK, sign on the 6 month contract, you get 3 square meals a day, Uber service, and an efficiency apartment.  Pay?!  That IS your pay!"

🙁

But is the toilet “low flo” too? 🤔

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

wow profound. Would have never known different positions have different comparative values if I hadn’t heard it from this clown.

 

 

Unfortunately,  it's important to repeat the "proven obvious" and not just assume that people remember.    If you don't know your past you don't know your future.   Look no further than the Seattle Seahawks.........won the SB with the youngest team in the entire NFL........and their SB contender status was over in just a few seasons in great part because they paid a RB, LB's and Safeties top dollar.

[LabattBlue]

I know paying safties is a no no, but what about safeties? 

[benderbender]

This is Edmunds year to showcase that he’s got anything other than “wingspan” and “freak measurements.” If he does then pay him, if not, let him walk.

[Chicken Boo]

You pay impactful players, regardless of position and you don't overpay for role players.  

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Also, people are wrong on Edmunds...same people who were wrong on Allen, Knox and Oliver. You're like polar bears on ever shrinking ice caps...

 

No you are wrong no one wants to save them.   Go Extinct! Go Extinct! 

 

Reminds me of a jumper on Wilson Bridge  who held up traffic for miles.  People got out of cars after being stuck for hours and yelled "Jump! Jump!"

[Inigo Montoya]

Poyer and Hyde are the foundation of our defense and have been since they arrived.  They can compensate for iffy CB play and I would love to see them both stay in a Bills' uni for a few more seasons.  They are both still playing at a very high level.  In an increasingly pass happy NFL you need to have a solid safety group.

 

That goal line INT of Hyde's against the Patriots in the playoff game last season is one of the greatest defensive plays I have ever seen.  

[Robert Paulson]

11 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Poyer and Hyde are the foundation of our defense and have been since they arrived.  They can compensate for iffy CB play and I would love to see them both stay in a Bills' uni for a few more seasons.  They are both still playing at a very high level.  In an increasingly pass happy NFL you need to have a solid safety group.

 

That goal line INT of Hyde's against the Patriots in the playoff game last season is one of the greatest defensive plays I have ever seen.  

Agreed,  the trick is determining  when they are going to fall off the cliff and then move on the year before. They didn't appear to draft a replacement this year so I think they each get a 'real' year tacked on to their contracts with a few extra years to make the numbers work. 

 

Po has been quiet lately and appears calm, so my guess is Knox gets done first, then Poyer to make the cap numbers work.  Truman is on a prove it year. He either gets a mega extension, tagged or a thank you for your service meeting after this year. At the least, the Bills get a max effort season out of him as he tries for the mega deal-he may even hit the right hole this year once or twice.

Edited July 24, 2022 by Robert Paulson

[TheFunPolice]

Ohhhh

 

Well WE DO! 

 

(Inspired by watching Kingpin last night)

[Motorin']

3 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

The one I disagree with you on is tight end. You pay elite tight ends (Kelce, Waller, Kittle, Andrews). There are just very few of them. Knox could put himself in that category if he keeps progressing.

 

Exactly, but the TE needs to perform at wr 1 or 2 level output. Knox has that potential. 

[boater]

6 hours ago, TBBills said:

He was saying you don't pay them top money in the league... Edmunds and Poyer are not top money players. Poyer is in his 30's, Edmunds is...

Careful, there's a sizable and vocal "pay da man" crowd here who think Jordan drinks from the fountain of youth.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

The one I disagree with you on is tight end. You pay elite tight ends (Kelce, Waller, Kittle, Andrews). There are just very few of them. Knox could put himself in that category if he keeps progressing.

 

That is fair and yes, I'd pay all 4 of those guys. I would never have paid a Zach Ertz type who isn't a tight end in anything but name

 

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, benderbender said:

This is Edmunds year to showcase that he’s got anything other than “wingspan” and “freak measurements.” If he does then pay him, if not, let him walk.

I'd probably let him go regardless.

 

It's a contract year and he's got Miller and a most likely improved Oliver and Groot. He most likely should have a very good year , plus I'm always weary of players that all of a sudden turn it on during a contract year a la Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson.

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This isn't knew. It is well known. There are exceptions to every rule, but in general they are the positions you do not commit big resources to. Add tight end and running back too. 

The top 2 paid TEs Kittle and Kelce have been to 3 combined SBs recently … not to mention Gronk and his success

 

If you have an all pro at TE you absolutely pay him… Keyword all pro

Edited July 24, 2022 by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The top 2 paid TEs Kittle and Kelce have been to 3 combined SBs recently … not to mention Gronk and his success

 

If you have an all pro at TE you absolutely pay him… Keyword all pro

Chiefs also paid Mathieu and won their first SB

[Doc Brown]

I would not have known that you prioritize QB's, CB1, DE1, WR's, and OT when it comes to re-signing players if it wasn't for Cowherd.  Thanks for sharing.

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The top 2 paid TEs Kittle and Kelce have been to 3 combined SBs recently … not to mention Gronk and his success

 

If you have an all pro at TE you absolutely pay him… Keyword all pro

 

For sure you pay perennial all pro guys at any position. 

[Rigby]

Cowherd?No thanks.

[ColoradoBills]

8 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

That goal line INT of Hyde's against the Patriots in the playoff game last season is one of the greatest defensive plays I have ever seen. 

 

Yes it was!  Hyde is here through the next season.  Can't see how he stays longer.

Poyer is a tough decision.  If he wants 3 years for big money I don't see it happening.  2 years at a reasonable rate I would say Beane could live with it.

Beane has a much better idea of what the cap(s) will look like after the new TV contract is signed than we do so I'm leaving it on him.

Poyer's agent is in town so maybe we hear something soon.  I guess if nothing is done and he leaves that could mean something too.

I would love to see them both stay until their play drops off but..............

[CoudyBills]

10 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

wow profound. Would have never known different positions have different comparative values if I hadn’t heard it from this clown.

Did that make you feel better about yourself?

[Aussie Joe]

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This isn't knew. It is well known. There are exceptions to every rule, but in general they are the positions you do not commit big resources to. Add tight end and running back too. 

 

Who new that?

[Since1981]

Poyer and Hyde know they might not be as good without each other or elsewhere. Poyer gets paid but it WILL NOT be a bank breaker deal. 

[beerme1]

11 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Poyer and Hyde are the foundation of our defense and have been since they arrived.  They can compensate for iffy CB play and I would love to see them both stay in a Bills' uni for a few more seasons.  They are both still playing at a very high level.  In an increasingly pass happy NFL you need to have a solid safety group.

 

That goal line INT of Hyde's against the Patriots in the playoff game last season is one of the greatest defensive plays I have ever seen.  

 

I saw that play again in a recent thread my god what a play Hyde made. Never seen a better pick than that and it gave me chills watching it again. Incredible play.

[JoPoy88]

3 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

Did that make you feel better about yourself?

Pardon? Are you white knighting for Cowherd? I was just pointing out that Colin’s obvious point was obvious. Obviously 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

21 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This isn't new. It is well known. There are exceptions to every rule, but in general they are the positions you do not commit big resources to. Add tight end and running back too. 

Exactly why we need to see Ed outperform this year 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Exactly why we need to see Ed outperform this year 

 

If Ed plays as he played last year it's a no brainer to pay him. He has had one disappointing season - his second. But he was pretty good as a rookie and he was excellent last year, especially down the stretch despite being surrounded by an under-performing group of teammates up front. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 7/24/2022 at 4:30 AM, unbillievable said:

 

Cowherd explains how you build Superbowl contending rosters.

 

Should Buffalo let Poyer,  and Edmunds walk?

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed have some thoughts…. 
 

Also interior d linemen get paid handsomely and are worth it. 
 

don’t overpay players versus their value to the team, but sweeping generalizations about positions are just hot air. 

Edited July 25, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood