eball Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Out for the year...again. Hate the Jets, but that sucks for the big guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Crazy thing is Becton's depth is Chuma Edoga who has ended up on the Jets IR 2 out of his 3 seasons. I see a Beane trade netting a 6th for Bobby Hart coming soon. Jets have no 7th round picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 40 minutes ago, Doc said: Broken kneecap. I knew a guy that broke both knee caps after falling to the ground. This was like 20 years ago and said that it never fully heals and will always have issues. Now he didn't go to physical therapy or had top level Doctors/trainers like Becton will but I still think this is one of those bad injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: I knew a guy that broke both knee caps after falling to the ground. This was like 20 years ago and said that it never fully heals and will always have issues. Now he didn't go to physical therapy or had top level Doctors/trainers like Becton will but I still think this is one of those bad injuries. Yeah, it appears to be a career-ending injury. Hopefully that's not the case with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 48 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: So this is hearsay but apparently one of the reasons they moved him to RT was to keep pressure off that knee...ie Jets medical staff were aware the knee could be a continuing issue. Basically it sounds like they threw him out there before he should have been. Can't remember the guy, but about 2 years ago there was a guy getting fined for missing practice. His drs had confirmed an issue (maybe his back?) that was fairly obvious to the drs, and team drs had over ruled it basically saying take a shot and some opiates and get back out there, even though the team/private drs had a solid 3 week discrepancy. I know I'm not totally doing the story justice, but it sounded redic at the time. Wouldn't shock me to see them hurrying someone again. Why wait a few weeks to give a high 1st rider a chance to get long term healthy, when you need to rush him back for a 7-10 season at the expense of his long term health 🙄🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Hate seeing anyone injured for the season during the preseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Oof, what terrible injury luck. Could be his career is over before even truly starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) On 4/25/2022 at 10:37 PM, Buffalo716 said: Karlos probably has CTE due to how hard he played running back and safety.. seemed like he Antonio Brown'd in his own way Becton is just a massive man who has always struggled keeping his weight off and went to a dumpster fire organization Have to wonder if he even wants to reset his career and this is his way to getting out of a bad locker room setting. Having no control over the draft process a player may know he can't succeed on a team like the Jets, but they have to at least show some ability for other teams to give him a 2nd chance. If he gets released and gets back into shape and has some tryouts for other teams but of his choosing and he chooses wisely a good culture team where he can thrive then his strategy could be the right call. Though that would be less likely than his lack of self control in diet and his fat bank account that can order an endless stream of junk to consume. Edited August 9, 2022 by AuntieEm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Dude, if his knee buckled as he got hit, he’s not going to have any strength on it. The knee is not going to buckle being lifted off the ground after a hit, it gets buckled when the foot is stuck and turns but the knee is isolated. I'm not understanding how you are saying he obtained a fracture before getting hit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: I'm not understanding how you are saying he obtained a fracture before getting hit? I'm not understanding how you think his knee cap fractured when he was hit up top. Unless of course, I missed the part where something hard like a helmet hit his knee cap directly. More than likely with a fractured knee cap in his case, it was the stress of the weight of his body and the knee cap couldn't handle it. He dislocated it last year so it already had a pre-existing issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I know he's banked some money, but it's hard not to feel bad for this guy. I'd think with his ongoing weight struggles, he's never going to see the field again. And then, again, with those weight struggles, which are likely only to get much worse with another year spent off of his feet, he's looking at a very tough road/life ahead of him from a physical standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Seems as though we can answer this question "yes, in all likelihood" now and waste no further time on it. Tough luck for the kid. Was definitely highly touted coming out. Sometimes the body doesn't cooperate. Glad he made some money; if he's smart that will help him move to the next chapter of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I would normally be all over this, laughing at the Jets' expense. However, we are just starting preseason and I do not want to bring any bad juju to the Bills so I will simply say "that sucks for Becton and the team". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 38 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Can't remember the guy, but about 2 years ago there was a guy getting fined for missing practice. His drs had confirmed an issue (maybe his back?) that was fairly obvious to the drs, and team drs had over ruled it basically saying take a shot and some opiates and get back out there, even though the team/private drs had a solid 3 week discrepancy. You're thinking of Jets tackle Kelechi Osemele. It was a shoulder injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 This stinks for him. IMO his career is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: I'm not understanding how you are saying he obtained a fracture before getting hit? He tweaked it earlier in team drills… Shook it off and kept practicing He obviously injured it when he tweaked it and then it finally gave away on that rap 32 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'm not understanding how you think his knee cap fractured when he was hit up top. Unless of course, I missed the part where something hard like a helmet hit his knee cap directly. More than likely with a fractured knee cap in his case, it was the stress of the weight of his body and the knee cap couldn't handle it. He dislocated it last year so it already had a pre-existing issue. He tweaked it in team drills… Kept practicing when It gave away on that rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'm not understanding how you think his knee cap fractured when he was hit up top. Unless of course, I missed the part where something hard like a helmet hit his knee cap directly. More than likely with a fractured knee cap in his case, it was the stress of the weight of his body and the knee cap couldn't handle it. He dislocated it last year so it already had a pre-existing issue. If I understand it correctly it can chip after a dislocation against another bone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: If I understand it correctly it can chip after a dislocation against another bone I'm not a doctor but I am incredibly smart....I agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 They'll pry sign Duane Brown now. I do feel generally bad for the guy though and that's unusual for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Becton seems to me that he could be one of those guys who gets cut or becomes a free-agent, winds up getting into a better situation, learns how to be a true pro, and ultimately has a successful career with a different team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I remember the hype around Mekhi his rookie year. They were talking about him like he was headed to perennial all-pro status. ...but according to Jets fans, Becton turned a 4-6 week injury into a season-ender last year because of poor rehab habits. He Ballooned to over +400 lbs after his injury. However, he managed to work himself back into shape in time for camp; which probably contributed to his current injury. I doubt he'll be ready for 2023. I can see him getting cut and maybe re-dedicating himself for another team by 2024. I don't see him ever playing for Jets again. Duane Brown is probably going to be the Jets new RT. He was done last year on the 'hawks; no better than a backup now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I think he’s not only done for the Jets, I think he’s just plain done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 18 minutes ago, hemma said: I think he’s not only done for the Jets, I think he’s just plain done. I think this too. He already had a reputation of not having the best work ethic and with another set back...I can see him ballooning up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 If he ends up a FA, I’d take a swing. Has a lot of talent, just has to put in the proper work. If the environment here can’t get him right ✌️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Damn, what brutal luck he has. 2nd season in a row he will miss to a knee injury. He played 1 game last year before going down with a knee injury, and now another this year in training camp. Its going to be tough to come back after so much time off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think this too. He already had a reputation of not having the best work ethic and with another set back...I can see him ballooning up again. He might get a nice Pay Per View check if they put him in a cage match with Dareus fighting over a single donut! The human body is just not meant to be that heavy. To expect him to still be athletic enough to play in the NFL is a tough ask. I was skeptical the first time I saw him, and I hope I’m wrong but….I’m afraid he may be done if he can’t find the discipline to keep his weight in check. Even if he can, he’s still a very big boy on compromised knees. I’ll root for the person and hope he finds a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 5 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Can't remember the guy, but about 2 years ago there was a guy getting fined for missing practice. His drs had confirmed an issue (maybe his back?) that was fairly obvious to the drs, and team drs had over ruled it basically saying take a shot and some opiates and get back out there, even though the team/private drs had a solid 3 week discrepancy. I know I'm not totally doing the story justice, but it sounded redic at the time. Wouldn't shock me to see them hurrying someone again. Why wait a few weeks to give a high 1st rider a chance to get long term healthy, when you need to rush him back for a 7-10 season at the expense of his long term health 🙄🙄 4 hours ago, uninja said: You're thinking of Jets tackle Kelechi Osemele. It was a shoulder injury. Yes, it was Osemele. The big issues was that the Jets doctors showed him an old scan of his shoulder, which showed no injury because it had been taken prior. He got a second opinion and another scan, which showed the injury. He was, understandably, very upset. Complete POS move by the Jest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Augie said: He might get a nice Pay Per View check if they put him in a cage match with Dareus fighting over a single donut! The human body is just not meant to be that heavy. To expect him to still be athletic enough to play in the NFL is a tough ask. I was skeptical the first time I saw him, and I hope I’m wrong but….I’m afraid he may be done if he can’t find the discipline to keep his weight in check. Even if he can, he’s still a very big boy on compromised knees. I’ll root for the person and hope he finds a way. Dareus might have 7 seconds of fight in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Dareus might have 7 seconds of fight in him. Reminds me of PPV for Mike Tyson fights. I was glad the guy next door was willing to pay for it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 9:59 PM, YoloinOhio said: First post I see: Jet fans are a different breed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I’d love to see a cage match between Becton and big Mike Williams. “Battle of the Busts.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Augie said: He might get a nice Pay Per View check if they put him in a cage match with Dareus fighting over a single donut! The human body is just not meant to be that heavy. To expect him to still be athletic enough to play in the NFL is a tough ask. I was skeptical the first time I saw him, and I hope I’m wrong but….I’m afraid he may be done if he can’t find the discipline to keep his weight in check. Even if he can, he’s still a very big boy on compromised knees. I’ll root for the person and hope he finds a way. Yep, probably needs to lose 50lbs and he would probably have to focus heavy on mobility, flexibility, balance and coordination exercises. It’s a problem for an athlete, an elite athlete at that to not be able to squat or bend. I cannot think of an exercise more important than the squat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 6 hours ago, CLTbills said: Jet fans are a different breed From a Jets Board: 15 hours ago, Shelbyblue said: I can’t see the Hamburgular (Becton) ever making through a whole NFL season. This is the second year in a row he won’t be playing, also his body type doesn’t fit this wide zone system and that’s why he will always get rolled up on. Time to get a pick for him and draft one next year that fits the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) With Becton out, Joe Douglas' 2020 draft is truly horrific, especially considering he had two 3rds and three 4ths: (1) Becton (OL, 15 games in 3 years, finishing only 8 of them) (2) Denzel Mims (WR, 8 receptions 133 yds last year, coaches complained about attitude and that he didn't know the routes -- supposedly better in camp this year) (3) Ashtyn Davis (S, started 13 games last year out of necessity but basically not very good) (3) Jabari Zuniga (DE, spend almost all of 2021 on PS) (4) La' Michel Perrine (RB, 4 games, 8 carries, 31 yds last year) (4) James Morgan (QB, released after one season with 0 NFL snaps) (4) Cameron Clark (OL, retired due to injury concerns) (5) Bryce Hall (CB, only good value in the draft -- but really should not be CB1) (6) Braden Mann (P, 18th in avg net yard punting -- very inconsistent, not what you want when you draft a punter) Edited August 10, 2022 by Billy Claude 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: With Becton out, Joe Douglas' 2020 draft is truly horrific, especially considering he had two 3rds and three 4ths: (1) Becton (OL, 15 games in 3 years, finishing only 8 of them) (2) Denzel Mims (WR, 8 receptions 133 yds last year, coaches complained about attitude and that he didn't know the routes -- supposedly better in camp this year) (3) Ashtyn Davis (S, started 13 games last year out of necessity but basically not very good) (3) Jabari Zuniga (DE, spend almost all of 2021 on PS) (4) La' Michel Perrine (RB, 4 games, 8 carries, 31 yds last year) (4) James Morgan (QB, released after one season with 0 NFL snaps) (4) Cameron Clark (OL, retired due to injury concerns) (5) Bryce Hall (CB, only good value in the draft -- but really should not be CB1) (6) Braden Mann (P, 18th in avg net yard punting -- very inconsistent, not what you want when you draft a punter) This is as bad as the 2000 Bills draft. Edited August 10, 2022 by Royale with Cheese 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: With Becton out, Joe Douglas' 2020 draft is truly horrific, especially considering he had two 3rds and three 4ths: (1) Becton (OL, 15 games in 3 years, finishing only 8 of them) (2) Denzel Mims (WR, 8 receptions 133 yds last year, coaches complained about attitude and that he didn't know the routes -- supposedly better in camp this year) (3) Ashtyn Davis (S, started 13 games last year out of necessity but basically not very good) (3) Jabari Zuniga (DE, spend almost all of 2021 on PS) (4) La' Michel Perrine (RB, 4 games, 8 carries, 31 yds last year) (4) James Morgan (QB, released after one season with 0 NFL snaps) (4) Cameron Clark (OL, retired due to injury concerns) (5) Bryce Hall (CB, only good value in the draft -- but really should not be CB1) (6) Braden Mann (P, 18th in avg net yard punting -- very inconsistent, not what you want when you draft a punter) Yea it is an example of why immediate draft grades are not always a great idea because he got a lot of props for this haul at the time. I will give him this though... he did at least miss the right way... three of those first four guys - Becton, Mims and Zuniga were huge boom or bust swings. That it now looks like all three will bust probably suggests it was a swing or two too many but I will generally give a GM more leeway swinging and missing on high ceiling guys. I liked Becton coming out (though not as much as Wirfs and Wills who were my top 2 tackles in that class) and I feel for him a bit because when he was healthy and on the field he was good but the injuries and the weight issues were always red flags. I never saw much middle ground there. He was going to be a perennial pro bowler or a bust. Mims I was much lower than the consensus on him and had him as a 3rd rounder (right there with the Bills own Gabe Davis fwiw). He was just such a limited route tree guy who basically only won by bullying inferior athletes in college and to me that is always a risky transition. Zuniga was a total wildcard. I think his failure was more predictable. As for Ashtyn Davis.... I think he actually shows promise in coverage. He is still improving. His issue is they used him more as the box safety (and he is crap in run support) because Marcus Maye who was their best player is a deep centre fielder. With Maye gone Davis might get a shot to play in his preferred position. I'm not saying he is a star but I think he can be a serviceable starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea it is an example of why immediate draft grades are not always a great idea because he got a lot of props for this haul at the time. I will give him this though... he did at least miss the right way... three of those first four guys - Becton, Mims and Zuniga were huge boom or bust swings. That it now looks like all three will bust probably suggests it was a swing or two too many but I will generally give a GM more leeway swinging and missing on high ceiling guys. I liked Becton coming out (though not as much as Wirfs and Wills who were my top 2 tackles in that class) and I feel for him a bit because when he was healthy and on the field he was good but the injuries and the weight issues were always red flags. I never saw much middle ground there. He was going to be a perennial pro bowler or a bust. Mims I was much lower than the consensus on him and had him as a 3rd rounder (right there with the Bills own Gabe Davis fwiw). He was just such a limited route tree guy who basically only won by bullying inferior athletes in college and to me that is always a risky transition. Zuniga was a total wildcard. I think his failure was more predictable. As for Ashtyn Davis.... I think he actually shows promise in coverage. He is still improving. His issue is they used him more as the box safety (and he is crap in run support) because Marcus Maye who was their best player is a deep centre fielder. With Maye gone Davis might get a shot to play in his preferred position. I'm not saying he is a star but I think he can be a serviceable starter. Although I tend to agree - I would rather see a miss by a GM on a huge upside guy than just go after average guys - it is hard not to fault Douglas a bit for taking Becton over Wirfs even at the time. I don’t think Wirfs becomes the players in NY he is now, but I think he was the better player and the safer pick. Becton did not really fit what the Jets o-line was under Gase and he really did not fit the SF style o-line they have become. I think Douglas has had a few smelly drafts - even given the huge number of picks he has had to work with, but to me they have a huge ton of potential and boy if they can get some of these guys coached up - esp QB - I think they could be tough going forward. For me - I am hoping they have a rough start and things fall apart quick - cause I want them moving on from the GM and coach and repeating the cycle. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: Although I tend to agree - I would rather see a miss by a GM on a huge upside guy than just go after average guys - it is hard not to fault Douglas a bit for taking Becton over Wirfs even at the time. I don’t think Wirfs becomes the players in NY he is now, but I think he was the better player and the safer pick. True. I had Wirfs as OT1 and the #6 overall player in the class. That he ended up OT4 and lasting until pick 13 continues to mystify me. I had them Wifs and Wills as top 10 guys and then Thomas and Becton as later firsts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea it is an example of why immediate draft grades are not always a great idea because he got a lot of props for this haul at the time. I will give him this though... he did at least miss the right way... three of those first four guys - Becton, Mims and Zuniga were huge boom or bust swings. That it now looks like all three will bust probably suggests it was a swing or two too many but I will generally give a GM more leeway swinging and missing on high ceiling guys. Yeah, PFF had the Jets draft rated as an A in their draft regrade after the first year. Becton looked really good the first year but he had injury issues even then. However, everybody blamed Gase for playing Becton when he should have sat. Mims also flashed after missing the first half of the rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 17 hours ago, Warcodered said: From a Jets Board: Yeah I saw that exact post on Jetnation. Seeing those forums makes me really appreciate TBD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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