Milanos Milano Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I’m going to go with “modern” times NFL simply because prior to 1980, talent was fairly sporadic and a little more “forgiving” . Nowadays it’s fairly inexcusable to miss horribly on a 1st round pick. So who gets your vote as worse draft pick? Maybin was incredibly brutal to watch, but Williams and Flowers were ultra bad as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 Just now, chongli said: What, no Mike Williams?? Williams is there. #4 option 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: Williams is there. #4 option Oh duh!I I must learn to read. lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 minute ago, chongli said: Oh duh!I I must learn to read. lol! Lol it’s all good. Not sure how anyone could possibly forget him lol, he is my close second. For whatever reason, I will always consider Maybin the worst, it was just embarrassing watching him run around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Yep, Maybin was bad. I can't disagree with your pick, but Mikey gets my vote. Total waste of a prime no. 4 pick. Ugh. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Maybin (Penn State) was picked when Russ Brandon actually had the title of GM, and I really think Brandon himself made the pick to market the team to northern PA, just like he was marketing the team to Rochester with the training camp and to the Golden Horseshoe with the Toronto series. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 JP Losman, especially considering it cost us the next year's 1st round pick while Aaron Rodgers was still available. 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Motorin' said: JP Losman, especially considering it cost us the next year's 1st round pick while Aaron Rodgers was still available. While I think Losman was bad, I don’t feel like he was talentless. I feel like he was ruined to some extent. He had a mean long ball, but sadly he couldn’t piece it together. Those Evans TDs were beautiful. Edited April 25, 2022 by IronMaidenBills 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Motorin' said: JP Losman, especially considering it cost us the next year's 1st round pick while Aaron Rodgers was still available. in isolation I’d say Maybin, but given the context here it’s hard to argue against Lousman, although the Bills were so dysfunctional then who knows how Rodgers would have done? @Motorin' who are u thinking of with the “other” vote??!! Edited April 25, 2022 by RyanC883 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft I guess the best saving grace of the Maybin pick was it being a pretty terrible draft class anyways. Dareus draft we picked what 3rd? And it's littered with hall of famers Edited April 25, 2022 by BillsShredder83 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft I guess the best saving grace of the Maybin pick was it being a pretty terrible draft class anyways. Dareus draft we picked what 3rd? And it's littered with hall of famers We did get Eric Wood that year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I'm going with Mike Williams only because the expectation for him was so high based on his college tape. Maybin sucked but he was a one year wonder at Penn so I'm not surprised he face-planted in the NFL but Williams was expected to be a fixture on the O-line for 10+ years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 It’s absolutely maybin Williams actually was able to start 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Maybin, because the Bills became the laughingstock of 31 NFL front offices. I doubt anyone else had him ranked above a 3rd rounder. By this token Manuel deserves a mention, although I remember the panic about getting a QB in a draft that had no legitimate starter candidates. At least if we'd taken Geno we'd have taken a guy who stayed around the league a long time. But I think EJ was a stand-up guy and he took the criticism like a man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Based on what we gave up to get him and who we could have gotten if DonaDOH! Had just been patient after the move up for Rothlishburger fell through I actually say Losman. The 3 picks lost including a 2nd and a 1st that we could used to get Rodgers would most certainly have ended drought much sooner than 2017. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Is it really a "bust" if everyone expected him to do nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Charles Romes said: Maybin (Penn State) was picked when Russ Brandon actually had the title of GM, and I really think Brandon himself made the pick to market the team to northern PA, just like he was marketing the team to Rochester with the training camp and to the Golden Horseshoe with the Toronto series. I voted for Maybin, too. I never thought of the Penn State angle, but it's definitely a possibility. I just thought that Brandon let Dick Jauron be his talent evaluator and Jauron loved undersized defenders, so a tweener DE who was too small to knock OLers out of his way and too slow to loop around them was just up Jauron''s alley. Certainly, Manuel was drafted in 2013 solely to put butts in the seats, so he is my second choice. He was a classic "reach": a third or fourth round talent taken in the first round because the team "needed" a player at that position. Every time I hear one of these draftniks on TV advocating for Detroit or Carolina to take a QB because they might not be drafting this high again, I cringe. Drafting a QB with the #2 or #6 pick just because you need a QB even though he's not a top 5 or top 10 quality prospect is sheer stupidity. Drafting a second or third round talent high in the first round isn't going to make him better. Mike Williams is third on my list, mostly because I think Williams was totally mismanaged by the Bills. Williams played RT in college, and he was built like a prototypical pro RT at the time: a massive man who opened holes for inside runners. The Bills tried to turn him into a LT, a position for which he wasn't physically suited, because that's what they needed. I think he played well on the right side as a rookie, but his play tailed off when he was put at left tackle because he simply wasn't quick or agile enough to play there. In fact, he probably would have had a decent career if he'd been drafted later specifically to play guard. At the end of his career with Washington, Williams did switch to guard but his career was cut short by a medical issue IIRC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) The thing with Aaron Maybin is that he was always looked at as a "boom or bust" prospect when we took him with the 11th pick. He was a one year wonder and only played two years of College. Mike Williams was considered a "can't miss" prospect with All Pro potential and we took him 4th overall. Maybin's running away with it and to me, it's obviously Mike Williams and it's not even close. Edited April 26, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsfaninChicago said: Based on what we gave up to get him and who we could have gotten if DonaDOH! Had just been patient after the move up for Rothlishburger fell through I actually say Losman. The 3 picks lost including a 2nd and a 1st that we could used to get Rodgers would most certainly have ended drought much sooner than 2017. What makes you think that Aaron Rodgers would have been anything but a mediocre QB on the Bills in the 2005-2009 period? Mularkey couldn't get much out of Pro Bowler Drew Bledsoe in 2004-2005 and Jauron seemed to have a pathological dislike for talented players who didn't toe his play-not-to-lose-by-too-much line. Captain Checkdown Trent Edwards was Juaron's style QB. He banished Beast Mode Marshawn Lynch to his "doghouse" in 2009 when Lynch was the only offense the Bills had. Rodgers would have clashed with Jauron instantly simply because he wanted to win football games not play not to lose them by too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Cmon I know that Duke Williams wasn't exactly a star here, but listing him as a potential all-time bust? That's not fair! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 HTF can you NOT list Peterman!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I cheated, technically was 1979 but I voted other, Tom Cousineau. 1st overall pick in draft, never played a down for the Bills! The only saving grace he was eventually traded to Cleveland for the 14th pick in the 1983 draft which was then used to to select Jim Kelly. Since that pick was after 1980, figured it qualified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 WR Perry Tuttle (Clemson)...#19 overall in 1982. After the joy of having experienced another Clemson WR in Jerry Butler, who was awesome prior to his injury, I think a lot of Bills fans were excited about Tuttle. Woof... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I say Maybin because the decision was just terrible. Some guys had injuries or whatever which to me explains their "bust". The guy somehow weighed like 240 at the combine or something when he had no frame to support that. There were better pass rush options at the time, pretty much everyone knew it except Nix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Tub o’ goo. The dude with the Captain’s hat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Imo, the right answer is Maybin. But! 2002, I'm at the Jim Kelly club for a draft day party. We draft that stud Mike Williams and minutes later trade for Bledsoe! Everyone there is like Super Bowl!! No one knew it was one of the darker days of the franchise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Can we stop with the drought threads and how many stupid decisions we made as a team, Mgmt, coaching and ownership? We all know we sucked, made a Million stupid decisions and is a nightmare that a handful of posters want to keep reliving over and over again. I’d rather focus on what we’re doing right now, and the hopefulness of having a bright future probably for the next decade or more. Allen isn’t going anywhere, nor is Beane or McD. The Pegulas seem to stay out of their way and we have a stadium planned that will keep us in Buffalo for the next 20 years and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said: I say Maybin because the decision was just terrible. Some guys had injuries or whatever which to me explains their "bust". The guy somehow weighed like 240 at the combine or something when he had no frame to support that. There were better pass rush options at the time, pretty much everyone knew it except Nix. That wasn't Nix. He might have been on the Bills staff at that time, but it was Brandon and Jauron running the draft in 2009. Jauron loved smurfs on defense because they were supposed to be faster (I still remember watching Bills LBs regularly being dragging downfield by RBs). IIRC, Maybin had straight line speed even at 240 lbs (which was like 30+ lbs more than his playing weight at PSU) but he didn't have much agility so he couldn't develop the kinds of moves that lighter edge rushers use to get to QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Rotary Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I have to go with Maybestraighttothedustbin but Sammy Watkins for TWO first rounders deserves an honorable mention. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Q. JD Williams or Mike Williams ? A..both lesson learned...dont draft the williams boys in the first round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Booker Moore, 1st rounder who played in 51 games and ended his 4-year career with a total of 423 rushing yards. RIP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 To me "bust status" is always magnified when it's a whiff on a QB. So for me the pick is EJ Manuel. As far as non QB positions I'd have to go with Mike Williams with an honorable mention going to QB Cravin' Maybin 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I voted other. Dareus is my vote because he delivered on his potential and decided on his own to turn it off and stop being a great player. The interesting thing about all these busts is that the red flags about these players were well documented, in different draft evaluations. It wasn't just one scout or commentator saying it, multiple people said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) Respectfully RIP, but you left off Booker Moore. Although you have an "other" slot I just didn't have the heart to mark it. 1st round draft pick who had some sort of health disorder that eliminated his rookie season and then in his 4 active years with the team had he had 420 yards, 3.7 yards a carry and 1 TD rushing and 1 receiving. Died of a heart attack at 50...way, way, way too soon. Edited April 25, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Respectfully RIP, but you left off Booker Moore. Although you have an "other" slot I just didn't have the heart to mark it. 1st round draft pick who had some sort of health disorder that eliminated his rookie season and then in his 4 active years with the team had he had 420 yards, 3.7 yards a carry and 1 TD rushing and 1 receiving. Died of a heart attack at 50...way, way, way too soon. That’s a doozy on this Monday morn…ironically, I’d wager without looking it up that dollars to donuts his YPC still on par with what our run game was doing under Dabs’ tenure outside of Allen? 🧐 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Aaron Maybin. This one is made even more disappointing by the fact that Brian Orakpo, a four time Pro Bowler, went two picks later and was the one most of us wanted on draft day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Motorin' said: JP Losman, especially considering it cost us the next year's 1st round pick while Aaron Rodgers was still available. Losman and Rogers were two different draft classes. Losman was 2004 and Rogers was 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Williams was a number 4 pick, and thus was more of a disappointment than Maybin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Seeing as in the NFL the QB is the biggest & most franchise changing position on the team i would have to say on your list it would be Emanuel . But with that being said i feel the the Bills in general over the years may have had & did have some very talented QB's on their rosters that given the same type of coaching philosophy as they have with Josh may have been very good NFL QB's . So one heading in your poll should be coaching because Losman, Emanuel, & others were not talentless QB's & if the coaching & or owners ship wouldn't have changed coaches so much in the past they may have had better results in their respective careers . Thank god we now have the Pegulas as owners & although there are those here that after every season feel that McD needs to be gone or is on the hot seat after only being here 5 years i hope the Pegs are more like the ownership of the Steelers & see that stability at the HC ing position (once you find a good one) is one way to stay relative in the NFL. But there will always be those here that like Ralph thought that changing a HC like let's say Phillips would be for the better of the team . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 9 hours ago, Motorin' said: JP Losman, especially considering it cost us the next year's 1st round pick while Aaron Rodgers was still available. What’s your price for flight? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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