Who's in the inner circle for Draft Day discussions?

[Commish]

So much information - and misinformation out there in the weeks leading up to the draft. How paranoid would Beane be about his real intentions in the early rounds - if he had his eye on a specific player, wanted to move up or down, etc., would he keep that to himself and McDermott? I would...

[NoSaint]

Wouldn’t you like to know 

[TBBills]

I am.... or maybe I am not.

[LyndonvilleBill]

Well, when I talked to him last night, he made me pinky swear not to tell anyone.😉.

 

JK.

 

I worry more about conversations and stuff with Shoen and Dabol and wonder how that is going to play with ours and their draft boards. Wonder how many changes are being made.🤔

[transient]

6 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Well, when I talked to him last night, he made me pinky swear not to tell anyone.😉.

 

JK.

 

I worry more about conversations and stuff with Shoen and Dabol and wonder how that is going to play with ours and their draft boards. Wonder how many changes are being made.🤔

The Giants have 2 picks in the top 10, and then picks in the top 5 of rounds 2 and 3. If they’re changing their draft board relative to players that they’re worried the Bills will select at the bottom of the rounds then they’ll be looking for a new front office again soon. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

12 minutes ago, transient said:

The Giants have 2 picks in the top 10, and then picks in the top 5 of rounds 2 and 3. If they’re changing their draft board relative to players that they’re worried the Bills will select at the bottom of the rounds then they’ll be looking for a new front office again soon. 

I didn't mean to imply 1st round, apologize if it came across that way.

 

You seem to be of sound thoughts and this may be a little off topic, but I'll  ask anyways. If you are the Giants and you're starting fresh with a new GM, HC and need to make some cuts and then to build for the future as well as maybe not entirely sold on Jones. Would you trade back with one of your 1st rounders to try and pick one up for next draft? Would a team be willing to give a late 1st this year and next years 1st plus, to possibly move up to 5 or 7? 

[GunnerBill]

It is a good point. Who is 2nd chairing in the way that Schoen has previously? Who is Beane's trusted sounding board? I presume Brian Gaine but it is a question I'd like the media to ask when he does the pre-draft presser which I guess will come this week?

[Logic]

[John from Riverside]

I have it on good authority that I don’t know *****

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

It is a good point. Who is 2nd chairing in the way that Schoen has previously? Who is Beane's trusted sounding board? I presume Brian Gaine but it is a question I'd like the media to ask when he does the pre-draft presser which I guess will come this week?

 

Beane strikes me as a guy who doesn't need anyone much other than McD to bounce things off of at this time. There's still a room full of Shoes types there as well, no doubt.

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Beane strikes me as a guy who doesn't need anyone much other than McD to bounce things off of at this time. There's still a room full of Shoes types there as well, no doubt.

 

Yup.  And that's why so little news leaks out.

[unbillievable]

Whoever picks the 2nd player in the draft needs to sit in a corner and stay quiet.

 

#37 Z. Jones

#16 T. Edmunds

#38 C. Ford

#54 AJ Epenesa

#61 B. Basham

 

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Beane strikes me as a guy who doesn't need anyone much other than McD to bounce things off of at this time. There's still a room full of Shoes types there as well, no doubt.

 

Schoen was the top evaluator though. I am told Brandon trusted his take almost over his own. I don't think he "needs" that as such but he has lost his top two guys in Schoen and Morgan since the last draft. So he either has to tweak his operation or someone will second chair. 

 

Don't me wrong this is McDermott's show and always has been. Brandon is drafting to Sean's requirements, but he is very much a consensus leader type rather than a John Dorsey "I choose the pick and I trust nobody."

[transient]

2 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I didn't mean to imply 1st round, apologize if it came across that way.

 

You seem to be of sound thoughts and this may be a little off topic, but I'll  ask anyways. If you are the Giants and you're starting fresh with a new GM, HC and need to make some cuts and then to build for the future as well as maybe not entirely sold on Jones. Would you trade back with one of your 1st rounders to try and pick one up for next draft? Would a team be willing to give a late 1st this year and next years 1st plus, to possibly move up to 5 or 7? 

I think it would make sense for the Giants, however, the more difficult part of that is finding another team who believes it makes sense to trade up. I’m not a huge draft guy, but the impression I get is this draft is lacking in top end talent. If that’s the case the Giants may be forced to make the picks and then mortgage their own future picks next year to move up for a QB if Jones doesn’t pan out. 
 

The one thing I think the Giants may be able to take advantage of this year is knowing where the Bills value certain players. If there’s someone they believe that’s likely to be sticking out on the Bills draft board and they have a pick coming up, they may be able to leverage that to make a trade, especially for their 2nd or 3rd round pick. 

[Augie]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I have it on good authority that I don’t know *****

 

My wife must be a good authority, because this sounds familiar! 

 

I’m guessing in the Beane regime Rex and that cab driver are not in the inner circle. That is one tight ship!

 

I’ve been to a Bills Super Bowl, and it was great. I think I’d prefer being in the Bills draft room than personally attend another SB. Check each box on the bucket list! 

[MiltonWaddams]

Lake Dawson, Brian Gaine, Dennis Hickey. Those are the three aside from McD and Beane with a leading voice in the room. 

[Beerball]

8 hours ago, Commish said:

So much information - and misinformation out there in the weeks leading up to the draft. How paranoid would Beane be about his real intentions in the early rounds - if he had his eye on a specific player, wanted to move up or down, etc., would he keep that to himself and McDermott? I would...

Ask @BringBackFergy

[JaCrispy]

4 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Whoever picks the 2nd player in the draft needs to sit in a corner and stay quiet.

 

#37 Z. Jones

#16 T. Edmunds

#38 C. Ford

#54 AJ Epenesa

#61 B. Basham

 

2nd round is the Bills’ kryptonite! 😭

Edited April 17, 2022 by JaCrispy

[YoloinOhio]

McDermott and one other guy … Gaine?

 

that’s it, imo

[gonzo1105]

I bet McDermott isn’t on the inner circle till a week or so out. 
 

I bet the board is made by Beane and two other scouting people this year it was Schoen and prob Gaine before Schoen left

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

I bet McDermott isn’t on the inner circle till a week or so out. 
 

I bet the board is made by Beane and two other scouting people this year it was Schoen and prob Gaine before Schoen left

I believe McDermott is heavily involved, always. He is way too much of a detailed control freak to be on the outside. 

[intimidatortj]

 

8 hours ago, Commish said:

So much information - and misinformation out there in the weeks leading up to the draft. How paranoid would Beane be about his real intentions in the early rounds - if he had his eye on a specific player, wanted to move up or down, etc., would he keep that to himself and McDermott? I would...

 

Joe Shoen, and to a lesser extent, Dabol, know a lot of the Bills draft prospects.   

Draft prospects are scouted starting in September through to the college bowl games.

A lot of discussion takes place around positions to focus on, as well as which games to attend in order to see specific prospects.

Shoen probably went to several college games himself.

 

Now, will that mean anything during the draft?  IDK

 

As far as Beane slipping information accidentally to the media or public, aaaah no.   He is very tight lipped.

 

HOWEVER, we do know that he has spent a lot of time scouting tight ends and safety.  So we kinda sorta know he is hoping to draft those two positions in this draft. 

[SoMAn]

 I’m thinking Beane, knowing last January that Dabol and Schoen we’re headed down the road, penciled in a bunch of duds on the war room white board just to mess wit their minds!
Gen-I-us ! 

[Don Otreply]

8 hours ago, Commish said:

So much information - and misinformation out there in the weeks leading up to the draft. How paranoid would Beane be about his real intentions in the early rounds - if he had his eye on a specific player, wanted to move up or down, etc., would he keep that to himself and McDermott? I would...

Only those that need to know, know. 
 

The smoke won’t lift completely from the wizards vale until the draft is over, and even then…,

 

 

 

Go Bills!!!
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JDubya76]

6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I have it on good authority that I don’t know *****

Wife tells me that every day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although I don’t know how she would know what you do and don’t know.

Edited April 18, 2022 by JDubya76

[In Summary]

8 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Would you trade back with one of your 1st rounders to try and pick one up for next draft? Would a team be willing to give a late 1st this year and next years 1st plus, to possibly move up to 5 or 7? 

Hopefully not Buffalo.  1st rounders are essential for cap control.

[The Wiz]

All I can say is, if a certain person is available in the 2nd round, expect to be disappointed. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also I have no insider knowledge but that's just how TBD works, right?

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Whoever picks the 2nd player in the draft needs to sit in a corner and stay quiet.

 

#37 Z. Jones

#16 T. Edmunds

#38 C. Ford

#54 AJ Epenesa

#61 B. Basham

 

 

 

Edmunds is good, Epenesa and Basham might easily be good, it's too early to know.

 

Yup, Ford and Jones were bad picks.

 

No reason to think this record is bad. In a few years we'll know more, but right now we don't.

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

It is a good point. Who is 2nd chairing in the way that Schoen has previously? Who is Beane's trusted sounding board? I presume Brian Gaine but it is a question I'd like the media to ask when he does the pre-draft presser which I guess will come this week?

 

 

Yeah, I'd assumed Gaine, but you're right, it's not a sure thing.

Edited April 18, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I believe McDermott is heavily involved, always. He is way too much of a detailed control freak to be on the outside. 

 

Plus most/many of us believe the 2017 draft was primarily directed by McDermott himself. Don't we? It HAD to be him pulling those strings. HE later selected/endorsed Beane as HIS GM. I think it's clear that McD is a MAJOR player in the drafting. 

[JaBu]

2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Plus most/many of us believe the 2017 draft was primarily directed by McDermott himself. Don't we? It HAD to be him pulling those strings. HE later selected/endorsed Beane as HIS GM. I think it's clear that McD is a MAJOR player in the drafting. 

It was said at the time that McD brought the Carolina board with him, and supposedly ticked them off as we picked there rated players before them. 

[BillsFanForever19]

14 hours ago, Logic said:

 

He's no longer in the Inner Circle. But who knows, maybe he is a part of the Brandon Beane Appreciation Society.

 

6 hours ago, The Wiz said:

All I can say is, if a certain person is available in the 2nd round, expect to be disappointed. 

 

I like Breece Hall. But part of me does want to see the boo boo faces if he were on the board and we chose someone else.

 

15 hours ago, transient said:

The Giants have 2 picks in the top 10, and then picks in the top 5 of rounds 2 and 3. If they’re changing their draft board relative to players that they’re worried the Bills will select at the bottom of the rounds then they’ll be looking for a new front office again soon. 

 

No, but their picks at the top of each round after their first two picks are close enough to our picks at the end of the round prior to have an effect.

Edited April 18, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[machine gun kelly]

I hear Yolo

[Doc]

7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Plus most/many of us believe the 2017 draft was primarily directed by McDermott himself. Don't we? It HAD to be him pulling those strings. HE later selected/endorsed Beane as HIS GM. I think it's clear that McD is a MAJOR player in the drafting. 

 

McD is the main man.  He tells Beane who he wants/needs for his team and Beane works on scouting/signing those players.

[entropyrules]

21 hours ago, Commish said:

So much information - and misinformation out there in the weeks leading up to the draft. How paranoid would Beane be about his real intentions in the early rounds - if he had his eye on a specific player, wanted to move up or down, etc., would he keep that to himself and McDermott? I would...

there is one guy who always knows what is happening with the Bills

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

[Greg S]

7 hours ago, Doc said:

 

McD is the main man.  He tells Beane who he wants/needs for his team and Beane works on scouting/signing those players.

 

At the time they were hired Terry said both men will report to him but when it comes to putting the roster together (draft/FA) that it is Beane who has the final say. When it comes to the coaching decisions(running practices, mini camp, training camp, obviously the games) then it is McDermott. I am sure both talk all the time and discuss strategy of what they want to do but according to Pegs that is how the power structure of the organization goes.

[djp14150]

On 4/17/2022 at 10:59 AM, Commish said:

So much information - and misinformation out there in the weeks leading up to the draft. How paranoid would Beane be about his real intentions in the early rounds - if he had his eye on a specific player, wanted to move up or down, etc., would he keep that to himself and McDermott? I would...

Ouija board comes to mind…

[BuffaloBill]

On 4/17/2022 at 2:28 PM, unbillievable said:

Whoever picks the 2nd player in the draft needs to sit in a corner and stay quiet.

 

#37 Z. Jones

#16 T. Edmunds

#38 C. Ford

#54 AJ Epenesa

#61 B. Basham

 

 

That is a pretty scary list

[OldTimer1960]

23 hours ago, intimidatortj said:

 

 

Joe Shoen, and to a lesser extent, Dabol, know a lot of the Bills draft prospects.   

Draft prospects are scouted starting in September through to the college bowl games.

A lot of discussion takes place around positions to focus on, as well as which games to attend in order to see specific prospects.

Shoen probably went to several college games himself.

 

Now, will that mean anything during the draft?  IDK

 

As far as Beane slipping information accidentally to the media or public, aaaah no.   He is very tight lipped.

 

HOWEVER, we do know that he has spent a lot of time scouting tight ends and safety.  So we kinda sorta know he is hoping to draft those two positions in this draft. 

The Giants draft SO much earlier than the Bills in each round that there is no way the Giants are altering their draft strategy to keep players away from the Bills.  IF they knew a couple of players that the Bills could be targeting at the end of a given round AND they were interested in one of them, they *could* trade up to take such player.  Is that much different than what many other teams in similar situations likely know or surmise?  I doubt it.

2 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

That is a pretty scary list

I think it is still too early to dump on Epenesa and especially on Basham.  Zay Jones had a pretty good season for the Raiders.

 

2nd round picks, especially later in the round, are really no sure things to ever become good starters.

[intimidatortj]

3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

The Giants draft SO much earlier than the Bills in each round that there is no way the Giants are altering their draft strategy to keep players away from the Bills.  IF they knew a couple of players that the Bills could be targeting at the end of a given round AND they were interested in one of them, they *could* trade up to take such player.  Is that much different than what many other teams in similar situations likely know or surmise?  I doubt it.

I think it is still too early to dump on Epenesa and especially on Basham.  Zay Jones had a pretty good season for the Raiders.

 

2nd round picks, especially later in the round, are really no sure things to ever become good starters.

Robert Woods and Zay Jones have both enjoyed success after leaving Buffalo.

 

I think the Bills were hoping with Cody Ford...but he has played 3 full years in the NFL and may be at his ceiling.

23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I believe McDermott is heavily involved, always. He is way too much of a detailed control freak to be on the outside. 

 

From some of McDermott's interviews you can tell he doesn't pretend to know specific prospects in the 3rd round, but he is surely reviewing the scouts reports and has input.  Or at least provides feedback.

 

This year I am sure he has helped look at the various Corners and DBs.