Rumor: Bills want to move up in draft, may move a veteran or two to accomplish it

[LeGOATski]

8 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I like it but the move is for WR.  I think picking up another vet CB is in the works - Rhodes/Nelson/Haden.

 

As the TSW draft showed, the top tier WRs have a huge runoff in the 5-8 spots right in front of us.  Don't tell me Beane doesn't read the board.

Beane doesn't read the board.

[FilthyBeast]

2 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Zack Moss has virtually zero value. And yes, we all dream of Edmunds being dumped...

 

But two options a little different then mentioned that I think are the best suspects due to their impending free agency and return value...

 

I would not be the slightest but surprised if we dealt Singletary.  He will have more value than Mosas and he is an impending FA we are not going to retain. 

 

Another surprise candidate might be Dawson Knox. If management has a sense of the money he wants in FA and how TEs can be overpaid, they might have signed Howard to move on from Knox and get a return before he leaves in Free Agency.  

 

Remember you need to give something of value to get something.  No one wants Epenesa or Cody Ford.

 

Won't be a popular opinion, but personally I would move Diggs before Knox. There's no way there is going to be room to keep him long term with given the current WR market that is only going to keep climbing higher.

 

And no matter what people think and read into his social media, Diggs is not taking a 'hometown' discount for this team. He knows he's worth big time money and guarantee those demands have already been made by him and his agent to Beane the minute the Adams and Hill deals and contracts were done.

[PonyBoy]

18 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

would Edmunds be a veteran?  

No, he's still young with room to grow 😃

[Lost]

13 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I anticipate a move up. Doesn't mean it'll be in the first round.

 

I personally feel like there is a lot more value to be gained by moving up in the 2nd/3rd as opposed to the 1st.

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Zack Moss has virtually zero value. And yes, we all dream of Edmunds being dumped...

 

But two options a little different then mentioned that I think are the best suspects due to their impending free agency and return value...

 

I would not be the slightest but surprised if we dealt Singletary.  He will have more value than Mosas and he is an impending FA we are not going to retain. 

 

Another surprise candidate might be Dawson Knox. If management has a sense of the money he wants in FA and how TEs can be overpaid, they might have signed Howard to move on from Knox and get a return before he leaves in Free Agency.  

 

Remember you need to give something of value to get something.  No one wants Epenesa or Cody Ford.

Moving Knox would be absolutely gross. 
 

TE is an increasingly high paid position, except unlike WR, it can take years to develop guys at that position.   We finally have one.  
 

If they thought Howard could be his replacement, you don’t sign him to a 1 year deal.  Best case scenario Howard kills it and then we just have to pay him similar money as Knox would’ve cost. 
 

Edited March 31, 2022 by SCBills

[In Summary]

Do the Bills stand a better chance of getting three starters by trading up and ending up with (say) only 4 total picks or keeping all their picks and assuming the hit percentage is better with numbers?  When you trade up, losing picks is a certainty.  Knowing that the picks you move up for are worth it is far from certain.  I'm in favor of whatever strategy gets more starters on rookie contracts.

[djp14150]

50 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Vets that are valuable would be Hyde, Poyer, Dawkins, Diggs but you create hole but gain cap space. Interesting. 

 

unless you have depth at a position you coukd be trading a player and then using that pick to replace the player you traded.

 

that’s what Minnesota did with Buffalo 1st fir Diggs…they drafted a WR

 

when buffalo traded Peters to PHL fir their 1st they drafted an OL

 

Outside of a pure cap space creating move, these kind of trades rarely come out as winning.

[JGMcD2]

13 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

I'll trade the Giants 25 and a first next year for the 5th pick and call it a day.  Maybe get them to give us a 4th in 2023.  

The Giants would be getting absolutely fleeced haha

 

No chance they’d go for this. 

[PonyBoy]

A little off topic, I grew up in the neighborhood and went to grade school with Zig Fracassi. He went by Ziggy then, real name Angelo. He wasn't good at sports but he was crazy knowledgeable about them. Good dude. 

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, djp14150 said:

 

unless you have depth at a position you coukd be trading a player and then using that pick to replace the player you traded.

 

that’s what Minnesota did with Buffalo 1st fir Diggs…they drafted a WR

 

when buffalo traded Peters to PHL fir their 1st they drafted an OL

 

Outside of a pure cap space creating move, these kind of trades rarely come out as winning.

 

Again, this is also why I woudn't be shocked if Diggs is moved.

 

He's been great for this team but looking strictly at the production on paper, the Vikings landed the better,  younger, and most importantly cheaper player with the pick we sent them for Diggs.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

12 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

So then are we moving up to draft a gifted athletic freak who has little football instinct, misses the gap, misses tackles and needs to chase down guys from behind….oh wait we already got one of those.  

Edmunds tackle depth is actually good.

[KDIGGZ]

Bills don't have any vets to include in a trade besides Edmunds. And that's the captain of the defense and then who is your MLB? Do they think Tre White is toast after the injury? I can't imagine anyone giving up too much for him if his team wants to trade him after a bad injury, that would be super suspicious and a red flag. I don't mind using some late round picks to trade up but trading up in the 1st round costs multiple 1sts or 2nds to do so

[Thurman#1]

I find that real hard to imagine.

 

I suppose anything's possible. But before the draft a team whose modus operandi is filling all their holes before the draft is going to open up new holes?

 

Yeah, I won't be holding my breath on that one.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Bills don't have any vets to include in a trade besides Edmunds. And that's the captain of the defense and then who is your MLB? Do they think Tre White is toast after the injury? I can't imagine anyone giving up too much for him if his team wants to trade him after a bad injury, that would be super suspicious and a red flag. I don't mind using some late round picks to trade up but trading up in the 1st round costs multiple 1sts or 2nds to do so

Cap and contract wise Poyer and Edmunds make sense to trade. Either trade them or extend them. Edmunds makes no sense to keep on a 1 year deal. Poyer I could understand keeping on 1year based on age.

[Magox]

Many ways to analyze this:

 

Who are the potential players that could be moved?

 

Diggs- Probably at most fetches a mid first rounder (low likelihood due to the Bills chances at winning it all and they could hold off another year before they make the move)

 

Edmunds- Probably fetches a low to mid 2nd round value (low to mid likelihood, He probably isn’t worth what he will command on the open market, this would be the year to trade to get some value for him, however trading him does create a hole and it could be difficult to replace with similar level of play)

 

Poyer - probably fetches an early 3rd value ( Likelihood low, he’s a team veteran and popular with the team and the trade value won’t most likely net a suitable replacement)

 

Motor - probably fetches a mid 3rd to early 4th round value ( likelihood is low to mid.  If they love one of the top two backs in the draft and they think they need it to move up a couple spots it could make sense, but without replacing him I don’t see it)

 

Epenesa - Probably fetches a mid 5th to 6th round pick (likelihood is mid, DE room is getting crowded, his production wouldn’t be missed, but he wouldn’t net much of a difference in terms of moving up for a 1st rounder)

 

Moss - Probably fetches a 6th rounder ( Likelihood is mid to high, can easily replace his production but his net value wouldn’t assist with moving up with a 1st round selection.)

[Turbo44]

26 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Fake news nothing ever gets leaked with beane 

True, BUT, theoretically, teams he's trying to trade up with could be talking

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Pretty obvious the entire NFL wants Rick Bates.
 

Bates and the 25th pick for a top-5 pick? Anyone? Anyone? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Turbo44 said:

True, BUT, theoretically, teams he's trying to trade up with could be talking

And the fact the last time we traded up in the 1st everyone and their mama knew they were trading up.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Poyer is good but he has no trade value at his age. 

 

Bye bye Edmunds!

[JGMcD2]

10 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

He's been great for this team but looking strictly at the production on paper, the Vikings landed the better,  younger, and most importantly cheaper player with the pick we sent them for Diggs.

If we’re looking at production on paper, they’re virtually identical.

 

The rest of the the stuff you listed isn’t “production on paper.” 

[0017]

39 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

You package together Moss, Ford, and Epenesa- you get from 25 to 24.

More like 25 to 32 😂

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

The two key questions here:

 

Who would the Bills be moving up for?

 

What veterans have trade value?

 

The logical answers to the first question would seem to be a corner or WR. Maybe they really like Derek Stingley or Jameson Williams.

 

The only answers I could come up with to the second question are Tremaine Edmunds and Zack Moss. 
 

Interesting report. I can’t see them moving up TOO high, as it would cost a ton to get from 25th into the top 10. Maybe they just want to get inside the top 20 to ensure they get one of these WRs or CBS before the talent level drops off.

It doesn’t say 1st round, I doubt that’s what he’s referring to here. And you can’t get far in the 1st anyway without giving up picks. For vet players it sounds like a day 2 package. 

Edited March 31, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Simon Says]

Brown and Tasker talked about this subject today. Used the Bills as an example but not a substantiated rumor. Is that where this comes from?

[papazoid]

Rumor: Bills may want to move down in draft,

[iccrewman112]

56 minutes ago, mathja said:

With all of the defensive lineman brought in, I wonder if boogie basham or aj epenesa have enough value to move up in the draft. 
 

We don’t think of them as “veterans” but they are not rookies. Both are recent second round picks. 
 

Moving one of them with the teams first round pick to move up some spots would feel an awful lot like that Cordy Glenn trade.Moving one of them with the teams first round pick to move up some spots would feel an awful lot like that cordy glenn trade.

except Cordy Glenn was considered a very good tackle (not elite) with over 4500 snaps. 
 

Epenesa and Basham rarely see the field in a d-line rotation.

[Putin]

2 minutes ago, papazoid said:

Rumor: Bills may want to move down in draft,

Then it must be tru !!!

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said:

Rumoms and Beane should not be in same sentence.

 

I believe you were the first to mention Rumoms and Beane in a sentence. But I heard a rumor that Beane is big on Rumoms

 

22 minutes ago, PonyBoy said:

A little off topic, I grew up in the neighborhood and went to grade school with Zig Fracassi. He went by Ziggy then, real name Angelo. He wasn't good at sports but he was crazy knowledgeable about them. Good dude. 

 

 

In the Faĺls, per chance? 

Edited March 31, 2022 by The Dean

[Doc]

I heard a rumor that he wants to move back.  And another that he wants to stay put.

[MJS]

The Bills don't have rumors. Only speculation.

[Alphadawg7]

Beane is pretty stealth about his plans, but if hes reached out and inquired about a potential move up, I can see how it leaked out of that teams side.  

 

So, its certainly possible we might make a trade up just on the sheer fact that we don't have an easy roster for rookies to make.  Going after a player he covets that can immediately help this team certainly makes sense for a team like us right now.  

 

Its gonna def be interesting to see how this plays out, hard to put stock into any Bills rumors the way Beane stealthy operates, but a trade up wouldn't surprise me at all, especially for a CB.

 

 

[The Jokeman]

35 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:

Mike Love and Brandin Bryant are still on roster 

as is that DT from California we got late in the season but I don't think of any of them making the final 53.

14 minutes ago, Georgie said:

Brown and Tasker talked about this subject today. Used the Bills as an example but not a substantiated rumor. Is that where this comes from?

Very well could be as sometimes "journalists" make up news just for click bait. 

[PetermansRedemption]

Anything reported I immediately take as little chance of happening. Beane runs a tight ship. Things don’t get leaked from this organization. 

[Logic]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Beane is pretty stealth about his plans, but if hes reached out and inquired about a potential move up, I can see how it leaked out of that teams side.  

 

So, its certainly possible we might make a trade up just on the sheer fact that we don't have an easy roster for rookies to make.  Going after a player he covets that can immediately help this team certainly makes sense for a team like us right now.  

 

Its gonna def be interesting to see how this plays out, hard to put stock into any Bills rumors the way Beane stealthy operates, but a trade up wouldn't surprise me at all, especially for a CB.

 

 

Yeah I have to say that the idea of moving up for a CB makes sense to me.

We know that

1. Beane has a history of moving up for players he covets. He has done so in the past and spoken about this approach many times.
2. The Bills roster will be tough for eight rookies to make, as you mentioned, meaning that a trade-up or two is likely.
3. The Bills seem to have adopted an aggressive "win now" mentality, as evidenced by Von Miller move and spending to the cap.

4. Corner is a high value position, one in which the Bills are currently highly deficient and where they could really use a cost controlled five-year deal.

All of these facts combine to make me think that if Beane really liked a corner -- or any position really, but especially corner -- he would move up without hesitation.

2 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Anything reported I immediately take as little chance of happening. Beane runs a tight ship. Things don’t get leaked from this organization. 

Several people have said this in this thread, and several times the reply has been the same: BEANE runs a tight ship, but if he's reached out to several teams to gage their interest in trading, it's definitely possible that one of those teams were the ones to do the leaking.

Teams also INTENTIONALLY leak things at this time of years for various strategic reasons, whether it be subterfuge and misdirection or the solicitation of offers from other teams.

[wppete]

I’m thinking we resign Jerry Hughes and trade some draft picks and Dane Jackson & AJ Epenesa to move up and get CB Sauce Gardner. 

[BuffaloRebound]

Giants clearly want to come out of this draft with an extra 1st next year.  Nobody seems in love with the QB’s in this draft so it’s probably not happening that way for Giants.  Maybe Bills trade pick 25, next years 1st and Poyer for pick 7.  Bills take Hamilton and have their QB of the defense for next 10 years. 

[jahnyc]

Would think that if this is true, that the veteran player or players traded to move up would be players that have not restructured their deals this offseason to provide more cap space because of the cap hit that would result (i.e., Milano).  This should mean that we can narrow the possible veteran player(s) that would be traded.

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, wppete said:

I’m thinking we resign Jerry Hughes and trade some draft picks and Dane Jackson & AJ Epenesa to move up and get CB Sauce Gardner. 

I hope that we resign Jerry….but there’s a good chance sauce goes #4 overall….. we aren’t going that high. No way

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

If we move up in the draft, my guess is that it's for Trent McDuffie.

 

It's time to pair Tre with another great cornerback instead of a revolving door of replacement-level talent.

Edited March 31, 2022 by Allen2Diggs

[Tanoros]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

The two key questions here:

 

Who would the Bills be moving up for?

 

What veterans have trade value?

 

The logical answers to the first question would seem to be a corner or WR. Maybe they really like Derek Stingley or Jameson Williams.

 

The only answers I could come up with to the second question are Tremaine Edmunds and Zack Moss. 
 

Interesting report. I can’t see them moving up TOO high, as it would cost a ton to get from 25th into the top 10. Maybe they just want to get inside the top 20 to ensure they get one of these WRs or CBS before the talent level drops off.

I just can’t see us making a hole that has to be filled in a year when we are making a super bowl push. For instance, trading Edmonds for a lber makes sense in the long term, but not for our chances this season, especially if we trade picks too, because it’s then less chances to fill depth. 
 

I would prefer trading future assets vs making a hole that is filled by a rookie. The Bills must have their eyes on a player or a couple who might not be there at 25 and we may have to move up a bit and this is Beane doing his due diligence prior to the draft (kind of like how we had a tentative deal with the Broncos in 2018 draft).
 

Lastly, I just can’t fathom trading a starter for someone like Williams. We’d get no immediate ROI while also making a hole. That would not help us make a super bowl push this year. 

48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It doesn’t say 1st round, I doubt that’s what he’s referring to here. And you can’t get far in the 1st anyway without giving up picks. For vet players it sounds like a day 2 package. 

This is an excellent point. It doesn’t say first round, and it seems like day 2 (second and third round) are where teams can get some good value too. I really would like 4 picks in the first 3 rounds. 

[Special K]

If they do trade Edmunds to move up, it might actually be for his replacement.

 

IMO, that would be Devin Lloyd LB Utah.

 

A beast of a LB, and definitely a McBeane type of player.

Edited March 31, 2022 by Special K