How $40M QBs like Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers and Dak Prescott are losing the offseason

[maddenboy]

35 minutes ago, mrags said:

You will see the owners pushing for increased salary caps in the upcoming years. The only way to keep the Jones of the nfl happy to try and buy their championships. 

disagree

 

the salary cap exists solely to guarantee that the owners make a base level of profit.  A secondary benefit is parity.  There might be a couple deep-pocketed owners who would vote for that, such as David Tepper, but i dont see such a thing ever coming to pass.

 

Further, the NFL would rather use it as a bargaining chip with NFLPA to get something in exchange.   I'm sure the NFLPA is unamimously in favor of raising the cap.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

The cap "should" go up by almost 90 million in the next 2 years based on the TV contracts and the estimated cap of 220 ( I believe before covid)

 

They are protecting 300m by 2025.

 

And that's before Apple TV and Google get their hands in the pot.

But that just means the contracts go even higher. It doesn’t help a team like the Bills. The rebuilding teams with QBs on rookie contracts will always have significantly more money to spend on free agents and trade and sign contracts.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Hill is worth a lot..but $30 million? I'd pass also.

Hill instantly becomes a slot wr with Tua and his noodle arm throwing to him. I thought Kirk's contract was ridiculous until today. 

    There will come a time very soon when we start losing good players one by one. We have to get that first Lombardi soon.  No one is immune to cap casualties. It happens to every team. 

[mrags]

1 hour ago, maddenboy said:

disagree

 

the salary cap exists solely to guarantee that the owners make a base level of profit.  A secondary benefit is parity.  There might be a couple deep-pocketed owners who would vote for that, such as David Tepper, but i dont see such a thing ever coming to pass.

 

Further, the NFL would rather use it as a bargaining chip with NFLPA to get something in exchange.   I'm sure the NFLPA is unamimously in favor of raising the cap.

And it will get what it wants. As well as the owners pushing for a higher cap. Again, inflation rules everything in the world right now. Prices aren’t going down or staying where they are at in any profession. 

[billybrew1]

Packers and boys have it easy in the weak and bland NFC…

[The Wiz]

2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

But that just means the contracts go even higher. It doesn’t help a team like the Bills. The rebuilding teams with QBs on rookie contracts will always have significantly more money to spend on free agents and trade and sign contracts.

The contracts will go higher but the money that we have already kicked down the road will be less of an impact then that it is today so we will have more money, in theory, to be able to do the same. 

 

So miller's 17.5 today will be more like 7.5 in 2 years. 

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I have no doubt KC could have kept Hill. This is 100% them saying "get what we can, while we can". 

 

I'm not sure they are better this year for it, but they will be in 2 years probably. 

 

I think it is an acknowledgement from KC that when the wall comes for Hill it will come quickly. Because what takes him from ordinary to special is that speed.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The problem is the cap is almost $20 million less than projected a few years ago. As long as the cap rises as planned teams with high paid QBs will be fine.

[JGMcD2]

8 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

KC has drafted well, they just failed to recognize that Hill would leave.  KC got a franchise center and LB in last years draft.  Dallas has drafted well, but then overpaid some of the talent later on (Zeke).   Agree on the Packers failing to add any talent for Rodgers.    

The Chiefs have drafted well because they’ve found 3 above average starters in the last 5 drafts. 
 

The Bills have at least 2 in 4 of the last 5 drafts (2021 is TBD but Rousseau and Brown have shown promise) and they’ve drafted poorly because they took Cody Ford. 
 

Right… 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

If Ralph was still running things, the league prices this off-season would have induced a coronary.

[Brennan Huff]

9 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Brady wasn’t a top paid guy all those years and has 7 titles. 
 

Take note, Josh.

People always point this out. Do you know why Brady didn’t have to be paid like the other top QBs in the NFL? His wife is worth more than he is. 400 million last time I checked. 100% the reason why Brady always took less money every year

[Manther]

9 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Win a SB this year and then get a boatload of picks for Diggs while some other team pays him way more than the Bills could or should. I like Diggs and would love to keep him but that's the reality imo and I think the Chiefs made the best move for their future.

 They also made the Bills title run this season a little easier at the same time.

Agree

[ProcessTruster]

11 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I have no doubt KC could have kept Hill. This is 100% them saying "get what we can, while we can". 

 

I'm not sure they are better this year for it, but they will be in 2 years probably. 

Draft is super deep at the WR position.  This was the year to do it if there ever was one.  

[BarleyNY]

8 hours ago, maddenboy said:

disagree

 

the salary cap exists solely to guarantee that the owners make a base level of profit.  A secondary benefit is parity.  There might be a couple deep-pocketed owners who would vote for that, such as David Tepper, but i dont see such a thing ever coming to pass.

 

Further, the NFL would rather use it as a bargaining chip with NFLPA to get something in exchange.   I'm sure the NFLPA is unamimously in favor of raising the cap.

FWIW parity also helps keep the NFL’s revenues up.  More eyes on games more butts in seats and more general interest in the league.

[Matt_In_NH]

The Bills are on deck for something similar, just a year or two or three away....you can manipulate the cap for a while but it is also real

[Don Otreply]

10 hours ago, Big C said:

I feel like we talk about this every year. And yet again Tom Brady is taking a meager $25 mil. 

Because as much as Tom Brady is a walking character flaw,  he knows damn well that a good QB with poor weapons will not succeed to the level of championships. Everyone one knows this, the surrounding cast hasn’t to be really good to win it all. I need a cup of coffee ☕️ 

[Mango]

10 hours ago, ganesh said:

It was already in that range last year itself.   Hopkins had a deal for 26M per year....the others are simply following suit.  

 

I think Beane made a mistake in not extending Diggs early in the off season (like he did with Allen last year when. Browns and Baltimore did not).   He could have saved 2M a year in salary/salary cap;  now he has to pay the same as Adams, Hill to Diggs.   You want to be the market setter and not get behind.   

I think the Bills will have to now wait to pay Diggs next year (along with Edmunds and Knox)

 

THis year is going to be critically important for some of our top draft picks to come through.  

This is what sort of concerns me. It has taken quite a bit of runway for our top 100 picks to get up to speed. 
 

It is wild to me that we can spend 5 top 100

picks on DL and still need to make a splash signing. Like, wouldn’t it be cool if we

signed Von Miller because we had

spent those 5 picks on OL, DB, WR? But we

didnt. We’re quadruple dipping over and over and still have question marks woth other positional groups. 
 

Rectifying this issue in short order is probably the most important issue at OBD in terms of lengthening Buffalo’s SB window. 

[machine gun kelly]

12 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Charles Robinson

·NFL columnist

Wed, March 23, 2022, 8:10 PM·6 min read

 

Jerry Jones said it best — and apparently said it for many — when he summarized the Dallas Cowboys' playoff disappointment in January with a warning: “We all know how it goes in the NFL. The whole thing is set up to take away from the best and add to the ones that need improvement.”

We can argue the whole “best” thing in that analysis, but it's clear the broader point Jones was making. Good rosters end up losing good players, or in some cases, great players. And it seems to be happening frequently this offseason to a trio of rosters locked into top-end quarterback salaries. Specifically, the Cowboys, Kansas City Chiefs and Green Bay Packers.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/how-40-m-q-bs-like-patrick-mahomes-aaron-rodgers-and-dak-prescott-are-losing-the-offseason-001036835.html

The good news for the Bills is they structured Allen’s deal to hit while the salary cap will skyrocket.  It gets close

to normal (pre-Covid) the year after next.  Next year It looks like it will be in the 220’s, but the year after it’s estimated around the 250’s.

 

we may have to move on from some older players these next couple of years.  I doubt we extend Hughes at this point, and Addison is out.

[Tanoros]

12 hours ago, TBBills said:

Green Bay have done horrible things in the draft.

 

The Chiefs and mahomes made out like bandits and can draft another WR or pick one up from another team.

 

I don't really care what Jerry Jones has to say... he is the one running the team that sucks.

Do you think the Bills will consider trading Diggs rather than extending him? It would be hard to pass up a bevy of picks like the Chiefs got and it will

be hard to pay Diggs, Hill type of money. 
 

If we pay Diggs, I worry about keeping guys like Knox, Oliver, and possibly Davis (could throw Edmonds in that group too). 

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Which is why this should be Edmunds last season…

We definitely won’t be able to keep everyone, and Edmonds seems like a good candidate to move on from, probably like Harrison Phillips. We offer Edmonds a reasonable contract, while letting him test the waters and it’s more than likely he’ll get more elsewhere. 
 

I really hope we can draft someone this year, who at worst, can be a stop gap next year. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

11 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Because we aren't paying our QB $40M yet, his deal kicks in next year.  

 

Plus we have not had to face extending Diggs, Knox, Edmunds, Oliver, etc yet.  I mean just look at what Diggs makes now against the cap compared to what the new extensions for guys like Adams, Hopkins, Hill, etc look like...its double.  

 

You can only kick the can so far down the road.  Chiefs are feeling it now as Mahomes new deal kicked in.  Packers are feeling it after Rodgers and Jones all that money.  Cowboys feeling it after paying Dak, Cooper, and Zeke all that money losing players on both sides of the ball, and key ones.  

 

The en vogue on TSW thing to say now is the "cap isn't real" BS...good luck with that delusion.  Its very real, and it takes great GM management to navigate it in both contracts given to which players, structure, etc along with how they draft and find value in lesser signings.

 

THANKFULLY Beane is a master at all of that and we are in very good hands.  Other teams not so much...KC hasn't drafted well, neither has the Packers.  Cowboys have had better success in the draft than the other teams, but they also have not been making good decisions on who they pay and what they pay, or just how they manage the team overall.  

 

So for me, I am not worried, I have supreme confidence in Beane.  But the kicking the can down the road approach to the cap is a "short road" if you don't know how to find value in free agency and talent in the draft, especially the mid rounds.  

 

 

Sneaky need in the first 3 rounds is MLB.  CB and OG are needs for this year (and the future for that matter.  But WR MLB and TE are big needs for moving forward as Diggs will inevitably cost too much to keep, knox as well, and edmunds.  Edmunds may be gone as soon as next year. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

You have to look at cap % over amount. 10 years ago Calvin Johnson signed a deal that took up 13.3%. Tyreek Hills deal is at 12% and that’s with the cap being much lower than expected.

 

As long as revenues keep rising contracts will rise along with it. Pretty simple.

Edited March 24, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[DCofNC]

11 hours ago, hmsmystic said:

This article makes some good points- these huge QB really deals can harm teams caps.  I am not sure what other options there are...I mean you have to pay Josh Allen..

Very concerning watching this gross receiver money-- what are we going to have to pay for Diggs??

 

I honestly don’t think they will keep Diggs on a long term contract.  The same thing that happened to RBs is about to hit with WRs.  Teams that pay 25M+ for one guy to touch the ball 10 times a game are going to find out it’s not worth it.  The values will head back to reality. The difference between a WR being great or just pretty good is the QB throwing them the ball.  There are elite talents out there, Adams appears to be one, Hill is completely unique and Deebo does things no one else does, aside from them, maybe Kupp and Hopkins?  
 

Without Allen, Diggs was good, now he gets CALLED great.  He’s not.  Justin Jefferson stepped into his spot and out produced everything Diggs had done in Minn as a rookie, and backed it up the next year.  Diggs got Allen and BARELY had more yards than Jefferson as a rookie.  Look at what Allen has done with nobodies, he got 1k out of John Brown who proved to be a fringe NFL player as he left.  He got Beasley the most yards he’s ever had (almost 1k), he made people believe Robert Foster was a NFL player.  He was the man behind getting our 4th round WR a 225 yard game in the playoffs.  
 

Allen will make WRs, just like Brady did.  Give him reasonably good ones, he will make them look great, give him Randy Moss and it’s not even fair.  How many big time WRs did Brady have through his Patriots career? 1.  Brady made the rest of them.  How many rings does he have.. a lot.  Diggs is not Randy Moss, he’s more the mold of a Welker who was good before Brady and considered a HOF player with him.  
 

I see the Bills drafting WRs and pushing them into action, along with signing guys like Crowder, Sanders etc, who want a chance to shine.  If Davis comes on this season, I’d bet you see Steph get a rework of his contract to get him more money up front and a set up to unload him when they need to resign Davis, they keep the younger guy, let Steph go get paid big money by some other team at 30+ years old and move on. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

[CountDorkula]

2 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

People always point this out. Do you know why Brady didn’t have to be paid like the other top QBs in the NFL? His wife is worth more than he is. 400 million last time I checked. 100% the reason why Brady always took less money every year

also the Owner paying Brady for Non NFL related business helped.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-pay-a-brady-owned-company-run-by-suspect-partner/

 

The NFL says it is aware of the arrangement and has taken no action, despite questions from some specialists in sports law and economics about whether teams should pay for services by for-profit companies owned by their active players and whether the relationship provides value to Brady that should be counted against the club’s salary cap.

Edited March 24, 2022 by CountDorkula

[TBBills]

13 hours ago, recovery96 said:

And how are we not part of this?

Bills have not had anyone that wanted to be the highest paid in history.

That is the actual truth. Has nothing to do with the QBs contract and more to do with them not wanting to overpay WRs who want an unreasonable amount of money. Those guys usually go to bad teams who won't ever win a Super Bowl.

 

 

Green Bay and Chiefs could have kept both WR if those WR didn't want the biggest contracts in history.

Edited March 24, 2022 by TBBills

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

13 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I have no doubt KC could have kept Hill. This is 100% them saying "get what we can, while we can". 

 

I'm not sure they are better this year for it, but they will be in 2 years probably. 

I agree with you.  Hill's shelf life is about to expire.  His performance has been up and down.  He's had the type of nagging injuries (hamstring, foot, back) that players like him tend to have as they get older.  He is not a good route runner and tends to free lance, causing problems for the offence and Mahomes.  KC knows Hill better than anyone else and the fact that they are ready to move on should tell the rest of us something.  Additionally, Miami is notoriously known for making really dumb transactions, so it should not be surprising to any of us that KC sought them out as a trade partner.  IMHO, Miami paid way more for this WR than they should have.  This whole transaction smells like another Steven Ross special. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

The Bills are on deck for something similar, just a year or two or three away....you can manipulate the cap for a while but it is also real

Yep. Diggs will be 30 I think entering the 2023 season and carry a $18M cap hit and a dead cap of only $4M I think. Do we sign him to an extension into his 30’s to lower his cap hit or trade him for a couple of early draft picks?

[stevewin]

13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The en vogue on TSW thing to say now is the "cap isn't real" BS...good luck with that delusion.  Its very real, and it takes great GM management to navigate it in both contracts given to which players, structure, etc along with how they draft and find value in lesser signings.

 

It's fine to say "the cap can be manipulated" but all the people saying the cap isn't real are delusional.  Players constantly have to be let go or not re-signed because of the cap.  How is that not real?

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, stevewin said:

It's fine to say "the cap can be manipulated" but all the people saying the cap isn't real are delusional.  Players constantly have to be let go or not re-signed because of the cap.  How is that not real?

Well put

[aristocrat]

3 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

People always point this out. Do you know why Brady didn’t have to be paid like the other top QBs in the NFL? His wife is worth more than he is. 400 million last time I checked. 100% the reason why Brady always took less money every year

 

from 2006 until 2015 brady earned about 35 mil less than peyton on a cash year by year. so little more than 3 mil per year less.  Let's not act like he was taking so much less that it was criminal.  peyton 165 mil brady 129 mil

[Yobogoya!]

I think it's pretty telling how many elite quarterbacks playing on a market value contract have won the SB over the last 20 years. 

 

Aside from Brady's Tampa ring and maybe Peyton's year with the Bronco's, are there any others? I think Roethlisberger signed a new contract before his second SB win, but I can't recall whether that was a top tier contract or not. Rodgers got a new post-rookie deal before winning his ring, but that deal didn't even come close to what Romo had gotten the year before, so I'm sure that wasn't top dollar for the time either. 

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

I think the Adams and Hill deals have nothing to do with the cap at all, so the premise that Mahomes and Rodgers getting paid led to their best WRs being let go is false. 

 

Green Bay offered Adams MORE than the Raiders. He just wanted to be on the 4th place team in a division instead of 1st. Nothing GB could do. Take the picks in a loaded WR draft. 

 

Kansas City offered Hill huge money (top 3 WR in the NFL money) but if you read their forums a bit there have been issues between Tyreek and KC regarding his contract off and on the past couple years. Either way, he wasn't let go because of the cap. Again, take the picks in a loaded WR draft. 

Edited March 24, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Brennan Huff]

57 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

from 2006 until 2015 brady earned about 35 mil less than peyton on a cash year by year. so little more than 3 mil per year less.  Let's not act like he was taking so much less that it was criminal.  peyton 165 mil brady 129 mil

Nobody is acting like Brady was out there getting robbed year after year. I don’t understand why people want to debate everything. Brady never made contract demands and always took paycuts because he could. And also, 36 million dollars is a lot of money…

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

Nobody is acting like Brady was out there getting robbed year after year. I don’t understand why people want to debate everything. Brady never made contract demands and always took paycuts because he could. And also, 36 million dollars is a lot of money…

and he did so because the Pats were pretty much circumventing teh salary cap by paying Brady Non NFL related money for Brady owned PT.

[Brennan Huff]

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

and he did so because the Pats were pretty much circumventing teh salary cap by paying Brady Non NFL related money for Brady owned PT.

I really don’t know much about this. I’m sorry

[HOUSE]

What we need is much lower salaries and super cheap tickets.

 

This will solve everything, thanks

[aristocrat]

16 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

Nobody is acting like Brady was out there getting robbed year after year. I don’t understand why people want to debate everything. Brady never made contract demands and always took paycuts because he could. And also, 36 million dollars is a lot of money…

36 mil is a lot of money but 3.5 mil per year over 10 years is like a backup guard or d tackle. It’s not like he took so much less that they could sign a legit stud.  People just want to believe strange things 

[CountDorkula]

25 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

I really don’t know much about this. I’m sorry

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-pay-a-brady-owned-company-run-by-suspect-partner/

[nucci]

30 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

What we need is much lower salaries and super cheap tickets.

 

This will solve everything, thanks

the new stadium with help with this

[RyanC883]

On 3/23/2022 at 10:40 PM, Turk71 said:

DL Chris Jones has a $27 million cap hit for KC

He's a great player but ...$27 mil?

 

  

  I'm still disgusted the Bills passed on KCs franchise C, rated #1 C in the entire league in his rookie year, for a backup DE last draft. Beane said he took bpa (wrong) because they had no needs. Who needs an interior offensive line? Morse was rated 25th last season. 

I really need to let that go I guess.😜

 

I’m still not over it.   !