maddenboy Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, mrags said: You will see the owners pushing for increased salary caps in the upcoming years. The only way to keep the Jones of the nfl happy to try and buy their championships. disagree the salary cap exists solely to guarantee that the owners make a base level of profit. A secondary benefit is parity. There might be a couple deep-pocketed owners who would vote for that, such as David Tepper, but i dont see such a thing ever coming to pass. Further, the NFL would rather use it as a bargaining chip with NFLPA to get something in exchange. I'm sure the NFLPA is unamimously in favor of raising the cap. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: The cap "should" go up by almost 90 million in the next 2 years based on the TV contracts and the estimated cap of 220 ( I believe before covid) They are protecting 300m by 2025. And that's before Apple TV and Google get their hands in the pot. But that just means the contracts go even higher. It doesn’t help a team like the Bills. The rebuilding teams with QBs on rookie contracts will always have significantly more money to spend on free agents and trade and sign contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: Hill is worth a lot..but $30 million? I'd pass also. Hill instantly becomes a slot wr with Tua and his noodle arm throwing to him. I thought Kirk's contract was ridiculous until today. There will come a time very soon when we start losing good players one by one. We have to get that first Lombardi soon. No one is immune to cap casualties. It happens to every team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, maddenboy said: disagree the salary cap exists solely to guarantee that the owners make a base level of profit. A secondary benefit is parity. There might be a couple deep-pocketed owners who would vote for that, such as David Tepper, but i dont see such a thing ever coming to pass. Further, the NFL would rather use it as a bargaining chip with NFLPA to get something in exchange. I'm sure the NFLPA is unamimously in favor of raising the cap. And it will get what it wants. As well as the owners pushing for a higher cap. Again, inflation rules everything in the world right now. Prices aren’t going down or staying where they are at in any profession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Packers and boys have it easy in the weak and bland NFC… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: But that just means the contracts go even higher. It doesn’t help a team like the Bills. The rebuilding teams with QBs on rookie contracts will always have significantly more money to spend on free agents and trade and sign contracts. The contracts will go higher but the money that we have already kicked down the road will be less of an impact then that it is today so we will have more money, in theory, to be able to do the same. So miller's 17.5 today will be more like 7.5 in 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Southern_Bills said: I have no doubt KC could have kept Hill. This is 100% them saying "get what we can, while we can". I'm not sure they are better this year for it, but they will be in 2 years probably. I think it is an acknowledgement from KC that when the wall comes for Hill it will come quickly. Because what takes him from ordinary to special is that speed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 The problem is the cap is almost $20 million less than projected a few years ago. As long as the cap rises as planned teams with high paid QBs will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 8 hours ago, RyanC883 said: KC has drafted well, they just failed to recognize that Hill would leave. KC got a franchise center and LB in last years draft. Dallas has drafted well, but then overpaid some of the talent later on (Zeke). Agree on the Packers failing to add any talent for Rodgers. The Chiefs have drafted well because they’ve found 3 above average starters in the last 5 drafts. The Bills have at least 2 in 4 of the last 5 drafts (2021 is TBD but Rousseau and Brown have shown promise) and they’ve drafted poorly because they took Cody Ford. Right… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 If Ralph was still running things, the league prices this off-season would have induced a coronary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 9 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Brady wasn’t a top paid guy all those years and has 7 titles. Take note, Josh. People always point this out. Do you know why Brady didn’t have to be paid like the other top QBs in the NFL? His wife is worth more than he is. 400 million last time I checked. 100% the reason why Brady always took less money every year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 9 hours ago, Turk71 said: Win a SB this year and then get a boatload of picks for Diggs while some other team pays him way more than the Bills could or should. I like Diggs and would love to keep him but that's the reality imo and I think the Chiefs made the best move for their future. They also made the Bills title run this season a little easier at the same time. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 11 hours ago, Southern_Bills said: I have no doubt KC could have kept Hill. This is 100% them saying "get what we can, while we can". I'm not sure they are better this year for it, but they will be in 2 years probably. Draft is super deep at the WR position. This was the year to do it if there ever was one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 8 hours ago, maddenboy said: disagree the salary cap exists solely to guarantee that the owners make a base level of profit. A secondary benefit is parity. There might be a couple deep-pocketed owners who would vote for that, such as David Tepper, but i dont see such a thing ever coming to pass. Further, the NFL would rather use it as a bargaining chip with NFLPA to get something in exchange. I'm sure the NFLPA is unamimously in favor of raising the cap. FWIW parity also helps keep the NFL’s revenues up. More eyes on games more butts in seats and more general interest in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 The Bills are on deck for something similar, just a year or two or three away....you can manipulate the cap for a while but it is also real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 10 hours ago, Big C said: I feel like we talk about this every year. And yet again Tom Brady is taking a meager $25 mil. Because as much as Tom Brady is a walking character flaw, he knows damn well that a good QB with poor weapons will not succeed to the level of championships. Everyone one knows this, the surrounding cast hasn’t to be really good to win it all. I need a cup of coffee ☕️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 10 hours ago, ganesh said: It was already in that range last year itself. Hopkins had a deal for 26M per year....the others are simply following suit. I think Beane made a mistake in not extending Diggs early in the off season (like he did with Allen last year when. Browns and Baltimore did not). He could have saved 2M a year in salary/salary cap; now he has to pay the same as Adams, Hill to Diggs. You want to be the market setter and not get behind. I think the Bills will have to now wait to pay Diggs next year (along with Edmunds and Knox) THis year is going to be critically important for some of our top draft picks to come through. This is what sort of concerns me. It has taken quite a bit of runway for our top 100 picks to get up to speed. It is wild to me that we can spend 5 top 100 picks on DL and still need to make a splash signing. Like, wouldn’t it be cool if we signed Von Miller because we had spent those 5 picks on OL, DB, WR? But we didnt. We’re quadruple dipping over and over and still have question marks woth other positional groups. Rectifying this issue in short order is probably the most important issue at OBD in terms of lengthening Buffalo’s SB window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 12 hours ago, HOUSE said: Charles Robinson ·NFL columnist Wed, March 23, 2022, 8:10 PM·6 min read Jerry Jones said it best — and apparently said it for many — when he summarized the Dallas Cowboys' playoff disappointment in January with a warning: “We all know how it goes in the NFL. The whole thing is set up to take away from the best and add to the ones that need improvement.” We can argue the whole “best” thing in that analysis, but it's clear the broader point Jones was making. Good rosters end up losing good players, or in some cases, great players. And it seems to be happening frequently this offseason to a trio of rosters locked into top-end quarterback salaries. Specifically, the Cowboys, Kansas City Chiefs and Green Bay Packers. https://sports.yahoo.com/how-40-m-q-bs-like-patrick-mahomes-aaron-rodgers-and-dak-prescott-are-losing-the-offseason-001036835.html The good news for the Bills is they structured Allen’s deal to hit while the salary cap will skyrocket. It gets close to normal (pre-Covid) the year after next. Next year It looks like it will be in the 220’s, but the year after it’s estimated around the 250’s. we may have to move on from some older players these next couple of years. I doubt we extend Hughes at this point, and Addison is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 12 hours ago, TBBills said: Green Bay have done horrible things in the draft. The Chiefs and mahomes made out like bandits and can draft another WR or pick one up from another team. I don't really care what Jerry Jones has to say... he is the one running the team that sucks. Do you think the Bills will consider trading Diggs rather than extending him? It would be hard to pass up a bevy of picks like the Chiefs got and it will be hard to pay Diggs, Hill type of money. If we pay Diggs, I worry about keeping guys like Knox, Oliver, and possibly Davis (could throw Edmonds in that group too). 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Which is why this should be Edmunds last season… We definitely won’t be able to keep everyone, and Edmonds seems like a good candidate to move on from, probably like Harrison Phillips. We offer Edmonds a reasonable contract, while letting him test the waters and it’s more than likely he’ll get more elsewhere. I really hope we can draft someone this year, who at worst, can be a stop gap next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 11 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Because we aren't paying our QB $40M yet, his deal kicks in next year. Plus we have not had to face extending Diggs, Knox, Edmunds, Oliver, etc yet. I mean just look at what Diggs makes now against the cap compared to what the new extensions for guys like Adams, Hopkins, Hill, etc look like...its double. You can only kick the can so far down the road. Chiefs are feeling it now as Mahomes new deal kicked in. Packers are feeling it after Rodgers and Jones all that money. Cowboys feeling it after paying Dak, Cooper, and Zeke all that money losing players on both sides of the ball, and key ones. The en vogue on TSW thing to say now is the "cap isn't real" BS...good luck with that delusion. Its very real, and it takes great GM management to navigate it in both contracts given to which players, structure, etc along with how they draft and find value in lesser signings. THANKFULLY Beane is a master at all of that and we are in very good hands. Other teams not so much...KC hasn't drafted well, neither has the Packers. Cowboys have had better success in the draft than the other teams, but they also have not been making good decisions on who they pay and what they pay, or just how they manage the team overall. So for me, I am not worried, I have supreme confidence in Beane. But the kicking the can down the road approach to the cap is a "short road" if you don't know how to find value in free agency and talent in the draft, especially the mid rounds. Sneaky need in the first 3 rounds is MLB. CB and OG are needs for this year (and the future for that matter. But WR MLB and TE are big needs for moving forward as Diggs will inevitably cost too much to keep, knox as well, and edmunds. Edmunds may be gone as soon as next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) You have to look at cap % over amount. 10 years ago Calvin Johnson signed a deal that took up 13.3%. Tyreek Hills deal is at 12% and that’s with the cap being much lower than expected. As long as revenues keep rising contracts will rise along with it. Pretty simple. Edited March 24, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 11 hours ago, hmsmystic said: This article makes some good points- these huge QB really deals can harm teams caps. I am not sure what other options there are...I mean you have to pay Josh Allen.. Very concerning watching this gross receiver money-- what are we going to have to pay for Diggs?? I honestly don’t think they will keep Diggs on a long term contract. The same thing that happened to RBs is about to hit with WRs. Teams that pay 25M+ for one guy to touch the ball 10 times a game are going to find out it’s not worth it. The values will head back to reality. The difference between a WR being great or just pretty good is the QB throwing them the ball. There are elite talents out there, Adams appears to be one, Hill is completely unique and Deebo does things no one else does, aside from them, maybe Kupp and Hopkins? Without Allen, Diggs was good, now he gets CALLED great. He’s not. Justin Jefferson stepped into his spot and out produced everything Diggs had done in Minn as a rookie, and backed it up the next year. Diggs got Allen and BARELY had more yards than Jefferson as a rookie. Look at what Allen has done with nobodies, he got 1k out of John Brown who proved to be a fringe NFL player as he left. He got Beasley the most yards he’s ever had (almost 1k), he made people believe Robert Foster was a NFL player. He was the man behind getting our 4th round WR a 225 yard game in the playoffs. Allen will make WRs, just like Brady did. Give him reasonably good ones, he will make them look great, give him Randy Moss and it’s not even fair. How many big time WRs did Brady have through his Patriots career? 1. Brady made the rest of them. How many rings does he have.. a lot. Diggs is not Randy Moss, he’s more the mold of a Welker who was good before Brady and considered a HOF player with him. I see the Bills drafting WRs and pushing them into action, along with signing guys like Crowder, Sanders etc, who want a chance to shine. If Davis comes on this season, I’d bet you see Steph get a rework of his contract to get him more money up front and a set up to unload him when they need to resign Davis, they keep the younger guy, let Steph go get paid big money by some other team at 30+ years old and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CountDorkula Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: People always point this out. Do you know why Brady didn’t have to be paid like the other top QBs in the NFL? His wife is worth more than he is. 400 million last time I checked. 100% the reason why Brady always took less money every year also the Owner paying Brady for Non NFL related business helped. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-pay-a-brady-owned-company-run-by-suspect-partner/ The NFL says it is aware of the arrangement and has taken no action, despite questions from some specialists in sports law and economics about whether teams should pay for services by for-profit companies owned by their active players and whether the relationship provides value to Brady that should be counted against the club’s salary cap. Edited March 24, 2022 by CountDorkula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, recovery96 said: And how are we not part of this? Bills have not had anyone that wanted to be the highest paid in history. That is the actual truth. Has nothing to do with the QBs contract and more to do with them not wanting to overpay WRs who want an unreasonable amount of money. Those guys usually go to bad teams who won't ever win a Super Bowl. Green Bay and Chiefs could have kept both WR if those WR didn't want the biggest contracts in history. Edited March 24, 2022 by TBBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 13 hours ago, Southern_Bills said: I have no doubt KC could have kept Hill. This is 100% them saying "get what we can, while we can". I'm not sure they are better this year for it, but they will be in 2 years probably. I agree with you. Hill's shelf life is about to expire. His performance has been up and down. He's had the type of nagging injuries (hamstring, foot, back) that players like him tend to have as they get older. He is not a good route runner and tends to free lance, causing problems for the offence and Mahomes. KC knows Hill better than anyone else and the fact that they are ready to move on should tell the rest of us something. Additionally, Miami is notoriously known for making really dumb transactions, so it should not be surprising to any of us that KC sought them out as a trade partner. IMHO, Miami paid way more for this WR than they should have. This whole transaction smells like another Steven Ross special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said: The Bills are on deck for something similar, just a year or two or three away....you can manipulate the cap for a while but it is also real Yep. Diggs will be 30 I think entering the 2023 season and carry a $18M cap hit and a dead cap of only $4M I think. Do we sign him to an extension into his 30’s to lower his cap hit or trade him for a couple of early draft picks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: The en vogue on TSW thing to say now is the "cap isn't real" BS...good luck with that delusion. Its very real, and it takes great GM management to navigate it in both contracts given to which players, structure, etc along with how they draft and find value in lesser signings. It's fine to say "the cap can be manipulated" but all the people saying the cap isn't real are delusional. Players constantly have to be let go or not re-signed because of the cap. How is that not real? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, stevewin said: It's fine to say "the cap can be manipulated" but all the people saying the cap isn't real are delusional. Players constantly have to be let go or not re-signed because of the cap. How is that not real? Well put Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: People always point this out. Do you know why Brady didn’t have to be paid like the other top QBs in the NFL? His wife is worth more than he is. 400 million last time I checked. 100% the reason why Brady always took less money every year from 2006 until 2015 brady earned about 35 mil less than peyton on a cash year by year. so little more than 3 mil per year less. Let's not act like he was taking so much less that it was criminal. peyton 165 mil brady 129 mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I think it's pretty telling how many elite quarterbacks playing on a market value contract have won the SB over the last 20 years. Aside from Brady's Tampa ring and maybe Peyton's year with the Bronco's, are there any others? I think Roethlisberger signed a new contract before his second SB win, but I can't recall whether that was a top tier contract or not. Rodgers got a new post-rookie deal before winning his ring, but that deal didn't even come close to what Romo had gotten the year before, so I'm sure that wasn't top dollar for the time either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) I think the Adams and Hill deals have nothing to do with the cap at all, so the premise that Mahomes and Rodgers getting paid led to their best WRs being let go is false. Green Bay offered Adams MORE than the Raiders. He just wanted to be on the 4th place team in a division instead of 1st. Nothing GB could do. Take the picks in a loaded WR draft. Kansas City offered Hill huge money (top 3 WR in the NFL money) but if you read their forums a bit there have been issues between Tyreek and KC regarding his contract off and on the past couple years. Either way, he wasn't let go because of the cap. Again, take the picks in a loaded WR draft. Edited March 24, 2022 by TheFunPolice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 57 minutes ago, aristocrat said: from 2006 until 2015 brady earned about 35 mil less than peyton on a cash year by year. so little more than 3 mil per year less. Let's not act like he was taking so much less that it was criminal. peyton 165 mil brady 129 mil Nobody is acting like Brady was out there getting robbed year after year. I don’t understand why people want to debate everything. Brady never made contract demands and always took paycuts because he could. And also, 36 million dollars is a lot of money… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: Nobody is acting like Brady was out there getting robbed year after year. I don’t understand why people want to debate everything. Brady never made contract demands and always took paycuts because he could. And also, 36 million dollars is a lot of money… and he did so because the Pats were pretty much circumventing teh salary cap by paying Brady Non NFL related money for Brady owned PT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: and he did so because the Pats were pretty much circumventing teh salary cap by paying Brady Non NFL related money for Brady owned PT. I really don’t know much about this. I’m sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share Posted March 24, 2022 What we need is much lower salaries and super cheap tickets. This will solve everything, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: Nobody is acting like Brady was out there getting robbed year after year. I don’t understand why people want to debate everything. Brady never made contract demands and always took paycuts because he could. And also, 36 million dollars is a lot of money… 36 mil is a lot of money but 3.5 mil per year over 10 years is like a backup guard or d tackle. It’s not like he took so much less that they could sign a legit stud. People just want to believe strange things 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: I really don’t know much about this. I’m sorry https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-pay-a-brady-owned-company-run-by-suspect-partner/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, HOUSE said: What we need is much lower salaries and super cheap tickets. This will solve everything, thanks the new stadium with help with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 10:40 PM, Turk71 said: DL Chris Jones has a $27 million cap hit for KC He's a great player but ...$27 mil? I'm still disgusted the Bills passed on KCs franchise C, rated #1 C in the entire league in his rookie year, for a backup DE last draft. Beane said he took bpa (wrong) because they had no needs. Who needs an interior offensive line? Morse was rated 25th last season. I really need to let that go I guess.😜 I’m still not over it. ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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