letsgoteam Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: No it won’t. You convert Allen’s Base to Bonus. BOOM all the space you need for player retention. Is there a limit on how many times they can do that or other complications if they do that? I dont know, so thats why I ask. 49 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: 1A) Wait for Bradberry's price to come down/get released and keep our 2022 3rd round pick. Spend a pick somewhere RD1 - RD3 on a CB and a pick RD5 or later on a CB. 1B) Sign 1 of Joe Haden, Xavier Rhodes or Steven Nelson for less than the $6.5M and keep our 2022 3rd round pick. Spend a pick somewhere RD1 - RD3 on a CB and a pick RD5 or later on a CB. Either of the proposed scenarios gives you a fill-in CB1 while White is still recovering as well as an option to compete with Jackson for CB2 while White is recovering. Plus a developmental option that compete to make the roster and/or end up on the practice squad. CB1 - Bradberry/Haden/Rhodes/Nelson CB2 - Jackson/RD1 - RD3 draft pick SLOT - Johnson CB4 - Jackson/RD1 - RD3 draft pick/RD 5 or later draft pick Once White returns everyone shifts down one spot. CB 1 - White CB 2 - Bradberry/Haden/Rhodes/Nelson SLOT - Johnson CB4 - Jackson/RD1 - RD3 draft pick There's also Siran Neal who factors in. He's plays more of a hybrid role, but part of his extension was the fact that he'd contribute more on defense. I'm not advocating to disregard the CB position by any means - this proposed price for Bradberry is far too much. This defense is extremely CB friendly, no need to overpay for a guy who isn't significantly better than alternative options available. You also have Cam Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, letsgoteam said: Is there a limit on how many times they can do that or other complications if they do that? I dont know, so thats why I ask. Eventually it will catch up to you.. But a player like Allen (QB) that will not leave Buffalo that option is open again and again and again if they want to. Eventually though it will cause other players to leave. Example on Allen new contract there are Three years at the back end of the deal that have 0 prorated singing bonuses. His biggest Bases are 27.5M next year (can clear alot of space) with turning it into Bonus (guessing already planned as there is 0 Roster bonus Next year as well) 2024 Base is 23.5 (6M roster bonus) 2025 base is 14M (25M roster bonus) 2026 (another window) 22.5M Base (zero prorated signing bonus, 15M Roster) 2027 14M base (0 prorated signing, 25M Roster) 2028 15.5M base (0 Prorated signing, 25M Roster) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, letsgoteam said: Is there a limit on how many times they can do that or other complications if they do that? I dont know, so thats why I ask. You also have Cam Lewis If it’s a player you expect to be there long term, it makes sense because you are just spreading cap out to future years. You get in trouble with dead cap if you spread money out in years the player is gone. You need to account for it somehow now or later. For example the falcons restructured Matt Ryan to The point of having 40 mill in dead cap space now that he’s gone because they kept pushing out the cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Ray Finkel said: Trade Edmunds and get more cap space for Bradberry. Just Stop, guys. Or if you MUST continue, explain that if Edmunds is so bad we want to trade him, why will our trade partner take him on a 1 year rental for $12M fully guaranteed? Then explain what your plan is for the Bills to assure competent MLB play with minimal cap space, and how this doesn't just leave another big hole for the Bills to try to fill in the draft along with OG, CB, and a shot at upgrading TE or WR 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 56 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: 1A) Wait for Bradberry's price to come down/get released and keep our 2022 3rd round pick. Spend a pick somewhere RD1 - RD3 on a CB and a pick RD5 or later on a CB. 1B) Sign 1 of Joe Haden, Xavier Rhodes or Steven Nelson for less than the $6.5M and keep our 2022 3rd round pick. Spend a pick somewhere RD1 - RD3 on a CB and a pick RD5 or later on a CB. Either of the proposed scenarios gives you a fill-in CB1 while White is still recovering as well as an option to compete with Jackson for CB2 while White is recovering. Plus a developmental option that compete to make the roster and/or end up on the practice squad. CB1 - Bradberry/Haden/Rhodes/Nelson CB2 - Jackson/RD1 - RD3 draft pick SLOT - Johnson CB4 - Jackson/RD1 - RD3 draft pick/RD 5 or later draft pick Once White returns everyone shifts down one spot. CB 1 - White CB 2 - Bradberry/Haden/Rhodes/Nelson SLOT - Johnson CB4 - Jackson/RD1 - RD3 draft pick There's also Siran Neal who factors in. He's plays more of a hybrid role, but part of his extension was the fact that he'd contribute more on defense. I'm not advocating to disregard the CB position by any means - this proposed price for Bradberry is far too much. This defense is extremely CB friendly, no need to overpay for a guy who isn't significantly better than alternative options available. This^^^. Awesome post 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: While sure yes, that is the case. I was using the at current cap space available. Also, I am still under the impression Beane meant it when he said "He doesnt really like doing that" which i probably shouldn't be. But Beane can sign Bradberry and still be truthful to "He doesn't really like doing that". A major transaction has occured and the 2022 season outlook has changed significantly. Beane may not like it, but when he critically looks at the opportunity he may conclude it is worth taking a more aggressive short term approach. It has for me, so I could see how it may for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 His spotrac market value is $12.5M a year so a Giants paying part plus a extended contract to lessen his hit looks good. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/james-bradberry-19011/market-value/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: If the team is not willing to get a legit CB2 and are relying on a unknown draft pick. Why did we sign Von Miller again? it should be Lombardi or Bust THIS year. I like the way Beane is doing it. Taking away the bust part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Yep. And if it secures the CB spot and helps get a Trophy would you really care about not having a 2022 Late 3rd? I'm hoping Beane makes an in-season deal. Start the season, season what our weaknesses and injuries are and make an in-season move to fill the biggest hole. Kind of like what the Rams did with Von Miller last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Eventually it will catch up to you.. But a player like Allen (QB) that will not leave Buffalo that option is open again and again and again if they want to. Eventually though it will cause other players to leave. Example on Allen new contract there are Three years at the back end of the deal that have 0 prorated singing bonuses. His biggest Bases are 27.5M next year (can clear alot of space) with turning it into Bonus (guessing already planned as there is 0 Roster bonus Next year as well) 2024 Base is 23.5 (6M roster bonus) 2025 base is 14M (25M roster bonus) 2026 (another window) 22.5M Base (zero prorated signing bonus, 15M Roster) 2027 14M base (0 prorated signing, 25M Roster) 2028 15.5M base (0 Prorated signing, 25M Roster) 35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If it’s a player you expect to be there long term, it makes sense because you are just spreading cap out to future years. You get in trouble with dead cap if you spread money out in years the player is gone. You need to account for it somehow now or later. For example the falcons restructured Matt Ryan to The point of having 40 mill in dead cap space now that he’s gone because they kept pushing out the cap hit. Thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Who would you rather have at MLB Edmonds or Billy Wagner if you could save some money?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 53 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just Stop, guys. Or if you MUST continue, explain that if Edmunds is so bad we want to trade him, why will our trade partner take him on a 1 year rental for $12M fully guaranteed? Then explain what your plan is for the Bills to assure competent MLB play with minimal cap space, and how this doesn't just leave another big hole for the Bills to try to fill in the draft along with OG, CB, and a shot at upgrading TE or WR Yeah he sucks, but the Bills are going to get a 2nd round draft pick for him! LOL WRT Bradberry, I don't like giving up draft picks (as would be with Edmunds too) For a one year player. I'd be more happy if they Bills went the Tyrek Hill route trade for him let the Giants take on some of the salary, but then redo the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: In a world where it’s guaranteed - absolutely. Unfortunately it’s not, and I’m skeptical James Bradberry is the missing link to winning a Super Bowl. The Giants are getting desperate to move him. I’m not giving up a 3rd for 1 year and taking a $6.5M cap hit. He isnt the missing link but he is helping while we get Tre back and becomes a good #2 once he is for the playoff push. This is all for a home field first week bye. Need the talent in the back end until we get our #1 back and up to speed. Edited March 25, 2022 by TBBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Wait for them to cut him and get him on a 1 year prove it deal which is back loaded as a 2-3 year deal. He gets to play for a super bowl team with a lot of publicity and then gets a big contract next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 What is it with the Giants, eating, and food analogies?! Mara and Tisch get sent to bed without supper when they were kids? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, eee1776 said: Who would you rather have at MLB Edmonds or Billy Wagner if you could save some money?. You could probably get Billy Wagner on the cheap, but Bobby Wagner...thats gonna cost you a little more.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 @GunnerBill, @Buffalo716 have y’all had a chance to check out Zyon McCullom? Played in FCS, but has size and speed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 56 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: @GunnerBill, @Buffalo716 have y’all had a chance to check out Zyon McCullom? Played in FCS, but has size and speed A very intriguing cb. He's actually rated slightly higher than Woolen, Taylor-Britt and Castro-Fields. His size and speed is impressive. They would have to work on his tackling and aggressiveness. I could see him in the 5th? Still praying McDuffie falls to 25. If he does you sprint to the podium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Max Fischer said: Yes, let's create an even bigger hole. You mean like the one Edmunds continually misses 😂. In all seriousness, he’s still extremely you and has tons of untapped potential but his salary does not match his play IMHO. An upgrade at CB (especially if Tre misses time) could arguable be more pivotal to the Def than a MLB. I’m not sold on a rookie DB improving our SB odds next year. In the future, yes, just not this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, TheWeatherMan said: You mean like the one Edmunds continually misses 😂. In all seriousness, he’s still extremely you and has tons of untapped potential but his salary does not match his play IMHO. An upgrade at CB (especially if Tre misses time) could arguable be more pivotal to the Def than a MLB. I’m not sold on a rookie DB improving our SB odds next year. In the future, yes, just not this year. McDermott's defenses have a history starting a young or average CB at one and sometimes both CB positions. On the other hand, McDermott has always had a MLB that eat up the middle of the field. I know (too many) fans dismiss Edmunds' contributions but I'm confident McDermott has no interest in swapping out his captain for an upgrade at CB. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I don’t think is fair to compare Keuchley to Edmunds. Also McD had had a top 3 CB at the time on his roster who got paid by Washington and stopped trying. I’m picking up what your putting down on the importance of continuity of captaincy but let’s be honest Von can fill that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said: I don’t think is fair to compare Keuchley to Edmunds. Also McD had had a top 3 CB at the time on his roster who got paid by Washington and stopped trying. I’m picking up what your putting down on the importance of continuity of captaincy but let’s be honest Von can fill that role. Keuchley is a near Hall of Famer so a comparison is unfair to most LBs, the point is that they both had/have a very crucial role in McD's defense. At one time, McD had two starting rookies CBs and has always had one who was pretty average. Not so at the MLB. As for captaincy, many players could be a captain but there was a reason Edmunds was picked at such a young age. That trait is not easily replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Bills need two good CB's for the season. They can draft one but I feel they need one vet to serve as #1 until Tre is healthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Keuchley is a near Hall of Famer so a comparison is unfair to most LBs, the point is that they both had/have a very crucial role in McD's defense. At one time, McD had two starting rookies CBs and has always had one who was pretty average. Not so at the MLB. As for captaincy, many players could be a captain but there was a reason Edmunds was picked at such a young age. That trait is not easily replaced. Sometimes you just gotta cut bait. I hope I’m wrong!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I think most fans want a vet CB plus a pick in the first two rounds. I think a high pick is likely needed too but not signing a vet CB might be a sign that the coaching staff and organization like what they have so to speak at the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: You mean like the one Edmunds continually misses 😂. In all seriousness, he’s still extremely you and has tons of untapped potential but his salary does not match his play IMHO. An upgrade at CB (especially if Tre misses time) could arguable be more pivotal to the Def than a MLB. I’m not sold on a rookie DB improving our SB odds next year. In the future, yes, just not this year. I want to see what Edmunds looks like with improved DT play.......D. Jones is a true 2 gapper.....lets see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 11:16 PM, BobbyC81 said: I think odds are that the first round pick will be a CB. The TOP 3 prospects at the position are projected to go before 25.😓 Do you trade up? Take one of the lower ranked CB's hoping for a diamond in the rough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 A) the Bills board might not be the same as “analysts”. Their top 3 could include someone who is 5th or 6th in current mocks. B) if they reach tier 2 of CBS and a tier 1 WR is there, I think they go WR and trade up to get a Tier 2 CB earlier in round 2. C) they’ve show they’re willing to trade up to get “their guy”. It worked for Allen, failed for Ford and is TBD on Edmunds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, DasNootz said: A) the Bills board might not be the same as “analysts”. Their top 3 could include someone who is 5th or 6th in current mocks. B) if they reach tier 2 of CBS and a tier 1 WR is there, I think they go WR and trade up to get a Tier 2 CB earlier in round 2. C) they’ve show they’re willing to trade up to get “their guy”. It worked for Allen, failed for Ford and is TBD on Edmunds. They also have 8 picks and a deep roster, I’d be surprised if more than 6 stuck with the team. Last year 2 players drafted got poached off the practice squad, don’t think Beane wants to waste assets like that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: The TOP 3 prospects at the position are projected to go before 25.😓 Do you trade up? Take one of the lower ranked CB's hoping for a diamond in the rough? Adoree' Jackson and Gareon Conley both were drafted before Tre White. Bills seem to have a nose for CB talent. I'm hoping it continues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: I think most fans want a vet CB plus a pick in the first two rounds. I think a high pick is likely needed too but not signing a vet CB might be a sign that the coaching staff and organization like what they have so to speak at the position. Unsure what they could be looking at that they would like right now. Siran Neal, Dane Jackson and Cam Lewis - don’t think any of them should be starting at CB for a team that hopes to get to and win the Super Bowl. Really, they need to do better than that if they want to beat Miami who now has maybe the best WR and TE combination in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, DasNootz said: A) the Bills board might not be the same as “analysts”. Their top 3 could include someone who is 5th or 6th in current mocks. B) if they reach tier 2 of CBS and a tier 1 WR is there, I think they go WR and trade up to get a Tier 2 CB earlier in round 2. C) they’ve show they’re willing to trade up to get “their guy”. It worked for Allen, failed for Ford and is TBD on Edmunds. Or they could try to trade up in round 1 for a corner that they like. I would not be surprised if Kyler Gordon was available and they liked him enough to take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 If they eat some celery, I'm all about a 5th for some Bradberry crunch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, DasNootz said: A) the Bills board might not be the same as “analysts”. Their top 3 could include someone who is 5th or 6th in current mocks. B) if they reach tier 2 of CBS and a tier 1 WR is there, I think they go WR and trade up to get a Tier 2 CB earlier in round 2. C) they’ve show they’re willing to trade up to get “their guy”. It worked for Allen, failed for Ford and is TBD on Edmunds. worked for Knox too. I could see them trade up for a WR, but not really a CB. Their zone defense hides deficiencies in CB's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 59 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Or they could try to trade up in round 1 for a corner that they like. I would not be surprised if Kyler Gordon Trent McDuffie was available and they liked him enough to take. Lol. Great minds sort of think alike. 🍺 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: worked for Knox too. I could see them trade up for a WR, but not really a CB. Their zone defense hides deficiencies in CB's I look at it differently. I think they would play more varied defenses if they had a good CB opposite White. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I think I’m leaning toward Andrew Booth, then McDuffie, because of the arm length...But both are solid prospects for #25... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I look at it differently. I think they would play more varied defenses if they had a good CB opposite White. A very good point. With better talent at CB, you can leave them out there on an island so you can blitz more often. If you can get by with just one less person in coverage, you open up the possibility of taking down a QB or getting a TFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Improve the pass rush so the corners don't have to work as hard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Improve the pass rush so the corners don't have to work as hard. If the secondary can’t cover for a bit, pass rush doesn’t have time to get the QB. In addition, if the corners can cover they can play more aggressively on D which would also help the pass rush. I’m not saying that you are wrong - both are important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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