Why Cole or Isaiah?

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

Why?

 

Because people get their feelings hurt too easily.

Because the best ability is availability!! 

[auburnbillsbacker]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Because they fill a similar role so the younger cheaper guy playing well makes the older more expensive one more expendable.

The younger cheaper one's contract will expire while the older more expensive one has another year left at a really decent price tag.  Utilizing both as the OP suggested is reasonable in my opinion.  For this season and next.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

Other things being equal I agree with you

But

We’re going to need to find cap space from somewhere

 

4 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Because people can’t stand that he chooses not get an experimental fully approved vax injected into his body and they disagree. You can no longer have a discussion with someone if you’re on the ‘other’ side of whatever argument. It’s an extension of cancel culture. 

 

FIFY.  Maybe people could have discussions if the people they were trying to discuss with spent less time complaining about “cancel culture” and more time starting from actual facts

[17islongenough]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

Why?

 

Because people get their feelings hurt too easily.

No you save money by cutting him.   No one on here is saying that they should Davis.  They need to make space and you do that with by cutting Beas and replacing him with someone younger and cheaper. They should be doing this with Star also

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

 

 

Who's more available?

[MJS]

1 hour ago, cDAVIS said:

I will say this. Whenever McKenzie is a big role in the offense, teams never really have someone to cover him effectively

That's only happened in two games, though. He has been a gadget player at most in every other game he has played.

 

He has earned more opportunities though, in my opinion. I'd rather see him on the field than Sanders.

[fan_in_tx]

15 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Isaiah really showed me something today. He's not as shifty in the slot as Beasley but his separation and speed create more YAC than Cole.

Only against slower nickel corners.. FWIW is MC-z really that much faster than Cole?   There is a reason why shiftiness works.  

[716er]

13 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

The younger cheaper one's contract will expire while the older more expensive one has another year left at a really decent price tag.  Utilizing both as the OP suggested is reasonable in my opinion.  For this season and next.

 

Isaiah will likely get paid around what Cole is being paid now.

 

Not sure I want two slot receivers being paid a total of 15 million unless it's one guy and his name is Chris Godwin.

 

If McKenzie gets paid and stays on this team, Cole's money will be better spent elsewhere like CB, OL, or DL.

[Pete]

Get rid of sanders next year.

 

Diggs, Gabe, Isaiah, Beasley is solid 4

[Ramza86]

15 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

 

 

Cap space, resigning players with expiring contracts and adding FAs.

 

If Beasley needs to be a piece removed in order to sign an actual GOOD offensive lineman in FA, we have to do it.

[oldmanfan]

No decisions have to be made till the off season.  But as for Beasley, if there are rules and you are telling your team you have decided you don’t want to follow those, and in doing so could risk teammates towards getting sick, that has to be taken into account.

[Gugny]

The best ability is availability.

 

Beasley is never healthy.  He's old.  And he's an ignorant, bigmouth distraction.

[Pete]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

The best ability is availability.

 

Beasley is never healthy.  He's old.  And he's an ignorant, bigmouth distraction.

And a useful player with $8.5 million dead cap.  We don’t have cap space to burn 

[Mango]

15 hours ago, 716er said:

 

In 2022 Cole shouldn't be penciled in as a starter. 

 

Cole  Beasley proactively decided to miss 10 days this season back in the offseason when the rules came out. His replacement balled out in his absence. Similar to the way he did against Miami last year when Beasley was hurt. Cole Beasley shouldn't be penciled in as the started for the remainder of this season until his replacement loses the job. 

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

And a useful player with $8.5 million dead cap.  We don’t have cap space to burn 

 

I may have missed you two arguing more up thread, but Beasley only costs us $1.5M in dead cap next year but saves us ~$6M. I think if McKenzie continues to ball the rest of the season and the playoffs, you give some of that money to him, and the remainder to upgrading other position groups. 

[716er]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

And a useful player with $8.5 million dead cap.  We don’t have cap space to burn 

 

This is wrong.

 

If Cole is cut before June 1st after this season ends the Bills will incur a $1.5 million dead cap hit and would save $6.1 million on next years cap ($7.6 million hit if Cole plays on the Bills next year)

 

https://overthecap.com/player/cole-beasley/613/

[LABILLBACKER]

15 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Because they fill a similar role so the younger cheaper guy playing well makes the older more expensive one more expendable.

And there's your winning answer.  Isaiah turns 27 in April and Cole turns 33 in April. We all love Beas but his time in Buffalo may be over in the next year or so.

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

This is wrong.

 

If Cole is cut before June 1st after this season ends the Bills will incur a $1.5 million dead cap hit and would save $6.1 million on next years cap ($7.6 million hit if Cole plays on the Bills next year)

 

https://overthecap.com/player/cole-beasley/613/

thats interesting then.  I just read that $8 million in another thread.  With that savings Id strongly consider taking that money and paying Isiah

[WhoTom]

15 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

I bet he would take a pay cut knowing he didn't have many options before coming here.

 

 

Dallas wanted him back and NE had an interest too. He had options.

 

 

[716er]

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

thats interesting then.  I just read that $8 million in another thread.  With that savings Id strongly consider taking that money and paying Isiah

 

or don't pay either and go all in for off-season dreamboat Chris Godwin 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2021 by 716er

[GunnerBill]

It is time to thank Beas for the memories, move on and give that money to McKenzie. I have said it multiple times this season but Beas has lost a step. It is noticeable to me that he is just a tad slower out of his breaks and as such a lot more of those throws to him are now contested balls. He was a vital component in Josh Allen's development and for that we should be very grateful. But the right move is to move on. McKenzie would come cheaper and he has better separation ability at this stage. 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

It is time to thank Beas for the memories, move on and give that money to McKenzie. I have said it multiple times this season but Beas has lost a step. It is noticeable to me that he is just a tad slower out of his breaks and as such a lot more of those throws to him are now contested balls. He was a vital component in Josh Allen's development and for that we should be very grateful. But the right move is to move on. McKenzie would come cheaper and he has better separation ability at this stage. 

Sad fact of the NFL is Josh is at some point going to be throwing to a completely different cast of characters because everyone he's throwing to right now will of retired a good stretch before him, not to mention the guys blocking for him.

[FarrellsFinest]

16 hours ago, TOboy said:

Simply put, because they play the same role in offense and next year we’re going to have to make some tough choices due to the cap. 
 

If cap room wasn’t an issue, they’d obviously keep both, despite the fact they rarely see the field together. 

We dont have a cap issue. We can have both. 

[MAJBobby]

16 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

 

Because 6.1M for a declining player isn’t a luxury you can have after you pay your QB. 

5 minutes ago, FarrellsFinest said:

We dont have a cap issue. We can have both. 

Yes we do. We are right against the Cap and need to address a lot this offseason. 
 

starting with 

OGx2

C

Pass Rush

WR

RB???? 
QB2

41 active players 9M in space. 

Edited December 27, 2021 by MAJBobby

[MAJBobby]

16 hours ago, BILLieve85 said:

So how much do you resign McKenzie for. What’s your offer? 

2-3M AAV on a longer deal will be enough to get it done. 

53 minutes ago, Pete said:

And a useful player with $8.5 million dead cap.  We don’t have cap space to burn 

There is a cap savings with his release. 6.1 to be exact 

Edited December 27, 2021 by MAJBobby

[SCBills]

Diggs, McKenzie, Davis, Stevenson, Hodgins and a Top 100 draft pick at WR is what I'd love to see next year.  

 

Perfect blend of experience in Diggs/McKenzie, a guy about to enter his prime years in Davis and young talent in Stevenson, Hodgins and a high draft pick. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

16 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

 

One thing that I come away with from yesterday is this...

 

Perhaps the fact that both Beasley (who was good but nothing super special in Dallas) and McK both having success in the slot in this offense has a bit to do with the scheme. This is an offense that is rooted in the same philosophy that the Pats ran with Welker/Edelman and sometimes Troy Brown before that, I believe in the slot...with tweaks of course. Now I'm not saying neither player has talent and it's all on scheme.

 

They do each bring something special to the spot (McK-speed; Beasley precision). Daboll uses them somewhat in different ways. Love that with McK out there it adds the jet sweep possibilities. 

 

Bottom line is if McKenzie doesn't resign and Beasley is a cap cut...I think there are other guys that could flourish in the system.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

 Love Beasley, but his numbers have been declining the last 2 months. After playing the Dolphins on 10/31 he was averaging 62 ypg, since then he's averaged 34.

 

 McKenzie has the same number of TDs & 100 yard games as Beasley with 78 less targets.

[letsgoteam]

15 hours ago, Since1981 said:

It’s all Josh folks and some Diggs

I great QB can make any WR look a step better than they are (both bees and McKenzie)

Barkley was in for McKenzie's game against Miami.

[Deadstroke]

17 hours ago, cDAVIS said:

I will say this. Whenever McKenzie is a big role in the offense, teams never really have someone to cover him effectively

The big thing is his speed and nervous tic quickness.  Hard to stay with him!

[Just in Atlanta]

6 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Love Beasley, but his numbers have been declining the last 2 months. After playing the Dolphins on 10/31 he was averaging 62 ypg, since then he's averaged 34.

 

 McKenzie has the same number of TDs & 100 yard games as Beasley with 78 less targets.

Diggs' numbers have declined as well. Shall we dump him, too? Clear up some cap room?

[4_kidd_4]

But can Lil Dirty make bad raps??

[LyndonvilleBill]

10 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

But can Lil Dirty make bad raps??

No, but he makes a really good barbeque. 🤣

[billsfan89]

It's almost like people on here are reactionary and prisoners of the moment? Mac had the game of his career and people immediately think that is repeatable every game. Beasley has shown to be a much more consistent player and deserves to get back into the lineup. But Mac should be used more too. I would say give Sanders less snaps as the WR4 and give more of those snaps to Mac. Beasley has still been fairly productive this season and Josh has a high level of comfort with him.

[4_kidd_4]

13 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

No, but he makes a really good barbeque. 🤣

 

Another solid plus.

[Hebert19]

17 hours ago, TOboy said:

Simply put, because they play the same role in offense and next year we’re going to have to make some tough choices due to the cap. 
 

If cap room wasn’t an issue, they’d obviously keep both, despite the fact they rarely see the field together. 

I don't agree necessarily.  Yes they both play slot but McKenzie skill set is totally different.  He could like up outside and run goes and or deep crosses which Beasley doesn't run. 

38 minutes ago, letsgoteam said:

Barkley was in for McKenzie's game against Miami.

But most of his catches were with Allen in first half. 

[HamSandwhich]

17 hours ago, NewEra said:

💰 💴 💵 

that’s why. 
 

I’m not saying we should or shouldn’t keep Cole, but that’s why people are discussing it

No I disagree, there is a diatribe against Cole mainly because he says things people think he ought not and they want to burn him at the stake for it. Pathetic in my opinion. 

56 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

One thing that I come away with from yesterday is this...

 

Perhaps the fact that both Beasley (who was good but nothing super special in Dallas) and McK both having success in the slot in this offense has a bit to do with the scheme. This is an offense that is rooted in the same philosophy that the Pats ran with Welker/Edelman and sometimes Troy Brown before that, I believe in the slot...with tweaks of course. Now I'm not saying neither player has talent and it's all on scheme.

 

They do each bring something special to the spot (McK-speed; Beasley precision). Daboll uses them somewhat in different ways. Love that with McK out there it adds the jet sweep possibilities. 

 

Bottom line is if McKenzie doesn't resign and Beasley is a cap cut...I think there are other guys that could flourish in the system.

He was actually pretty good in Dallas 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

23 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said:

Diggs' numbers have declined as well. Shall we dump him, too? Clear up some cap room?

 Your reply seems pretty shortsighted and condescending, but let's break it down. 

 

One we have a viable replacement for, the other we don't. One is in his prime, age & ability wise, the other will be 33 before the draft. One is considered one of the best in the league, the other is not.

 

Also one is 9th in receiving yards and tied for 6th in receiving TDs. The other is 47th in receiving yards and tied for 153th in receiving TDs. McKenzie has found the end zone more times this year than Beasley with 1/3 of the touches Beasley has had. 

 

When you have to start paying your QB you have to make tough choices like this. Though I personally don't see this as a tough choice.

[bmur66]

It’s Ok. We can have nice things. Enjoy this season and worry about next season when this one is over.

[Mat68]

This time of year for 20 years diehard fans turned mock Gms around Christmas.  Thats the why?  For now its a great problem to have.  Lets get Beasley back healthy.  Lets see if Mckenzie can consistently be productive in the offense.    

[BuffaloBillyG]

9 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

No I disagree, there is a diatribe against Cole mainly because he says things people think he ought not and they want to burn him at the stake for it. Pathetic in my opinion. 

He was actually pretty good in Dallas 

Yes...good was literally the word I used.