Greg Cosell, NFL Films painted a not-so-great picture on Bills O

[zow2]

Saw Greg breaking down the Bills on TV today.  Nothing we don't already know but this is from someone who watches every piece of film...

Let's hope the Bills are fixing some of these issues.

 

Problems are:

- Lack of running game, no commitment to it whatsoever. RB's aren't good enough.

- OLine are not nearly good enough in pass protection to throw the ball as often as they want.

- Lacking explosive plays in passing game which existed last season.  If drives can't be sustained by running, Bills must have explosive plays.

- Buffalo cannot execute a viable offense if the only dimension is passing. 

- Josh Allen has to be special, every week, every play, or the Bills cannot win.  That's too much to ask, does not believe it's sustainable.  

[ChasBB]

Fair assessment.

[LittleSammy]

Unfortunately all of the competent Defensive Coordinators in the league have also determined the same thing and we are now paying the price for it.

[Dablitzkrieg]

Literally everyone  including the Bills knows this.  It's time for the oline to sack up and run the damn ball

[zow2]

A lot of the offensive issues are masked when the D gets takeaways and sets the O up in nice field position.  In a game like last week when the Bills are minus in the turnover ratio it's really brutal.  

 

Kansas City is struggling without much of a running game too, but they're winning some low scoring games.  We blew our low scoring games so far vs. Pitt and Jax.

[Augie]

He has clearly mastered the obvious. How many new starters do you think we’ll have on the OL next year? I’d put the over/under at 2.5. 

[jkeerie]

12 minutes ago, LittleSammy said:

Unfortunately all of the competent Defensive Coordinators in the league have also determined the same thing and we are now paying the price for it.

Yes...but this is where our OC has to counter with better game plans.  Josh is a sitting duck in shot gun.  Everyone knows what's coming.

[Jerome007]

16 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Literally everyone  including the Bills knows this.  It's time for the oline to sack up and run the damn ball

Yes... but not really. Watch the Bucs, or even, gulp, a team that used to have Brady as QB.  Lots of different sweeps and quick passes, which are fast out of the QBs hands and almost equivalent to run plays. Of course with a mobile QB like Josh you can have a moving pocket as well from time to time. Even obvious straight running plays aren't predictable, like having 2 or even three(!) RB in the backfield. They make it unpredictable, so when they need the OL to pass protect for a long time, it come more as a surprise than a given. Keep the D guessing and the DLs demoralized with so many quick plays, instead of gunning for Josh every play.

 

The Bills OL is NOT built for power running like the Colts. But they also have been put out to dry way too often. All these things add up. The coaches actually did way more in the Jets game, with the FB being there a third of the time, and an extra 6th OL occasionally. In the Colts game they had 2 drives in the 1st half! And by then they were behind too much. They showed in that Jets game they were willing to adjust. Do it more!

 

Yes the Bills have to adjust, for sure. But just saying "run the ball" will mean a lot of 2nd and 9...

Edited November 24, 2021 by Jerome007

[Big Blitz]

12 minutes ago, Augie said:

He has clearly mastered the obvious. How many new starters do you think we’ll have on the OL next year? I’d put the over/under at 2.5. 

 

 

That's the oline alone. 

 

Then RB.  

 

And maybe a new WR 2/3

[dave mcbride]

39 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Saw Greg breaking down the Bills on TV today.  Nothing we don't already know but this is from someone who watches every piece of film...

Let's hope the Bills are fixing some of these issues.

 

Problems are:

- Lack of running game, no commitment to it whatsoever. RB's aren't good enough.

- OLine are not nearly good enough in pass protection to throw the ball as often as they want.

- Lacking explosive plays in passing game which existed last season.  If drives can't be sustained by running, Bills must have explosive plays.

- Buffalo cannot execute a viable offense if the only dimension is passing. 

- Josh Allen has to be special, every week, every play, or the Bills cannot win.  That's too much to ask, does not believe it's sustainable.  

This sounds very accurate to me. Can't wait to see him break it down in more detail. He's terrific.

[strive_for_five_guy]

BOLD PREDICTION:  The Bills offense is going to thrive playing in the dome tomorrow night….

[LABILLBACKER]

All true. What 99% of fans are already aware of. One dimensional with little or no RB/OL talent. Hoping Josh can run around like Superman and do everything which he can't anymore. Defenses who ALL know how to stop us. Stubborn coaches who don't make the adjustments. Soft.....

.....did I miss anything?

[Scott7975]

46 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Saw Greg breaking down the Bills on TV today.  Nothing we don't already know but this is from someone who watches every piece of film...

Let's hope the Bills are fixing some of these issues.

 

Problems are:

- Lack of running game, no commitment to it whatsoever. RB's aren't good enough.

- OLine are not nearly good enough in pass protection to throw the ball as often as they want.

- Lacking explosive plays in passing game which existed last season.  If drives can't be sustained by running, Bills must have explosive plays.

- Buffalo cannot execute a viable offense if the only dimension is passing. 

- Josh Allen has to be special, every week, every play, or the Bills cannot win.  That's too much to ask, does not believe it's sustainable.  

 

Sounds about right to me

[Niagara Dude]

51 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Saw Greg breaking down the Bills on TV today.  Nothing we don't already know but this is from someone who watches every piece of film...

Let's hope the Bills are fixing some of these issues.

 

Problems are:

- Lack of running game, no commitment to it whatsoever. RB's aren't good enough.

- OLine are not nearly good enough in pass protection to throw the ball as often as they want.

- Lacking explosive plays in passing game which existed last season.  If drives can't be sustained by running, Bills must have explosive plays.

- Buffalo cannot execute a viable offense if the only dimension is passing. 

- Josh Allen has to be special, every week, every play, or the Bills cannot win.  That's too much to ask, does not believe it's sustainable.  

 RB's aren't good enough. YUP!

[JerseyBills]

We're aware.

They're aware.

I trust the process and coaching to figure this thing out, this is a SB window year. 

And despite bad performances last week, we have Elite D and ST

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

19 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

BOLD PREDICTION:  The Bills offense is going to thrive playing in the dome tomorrow night….

agreed. Big shocker that the passing game suffers in the rain and wind storms we play in every week. We had like 8 drops last game. The way you beat the cover 2 is to catch short passes. But you can’t do that when the ball is slick and your guys drop balls on key downs. 

[hmsmystic]

9 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

We're aware.

They're aware.

I trust the process and coaching to figure this thing out, this is a SB window year. 

And despite bad performances last week, we have Elite D and ST

Are you sure we are aware?  I haven't seen many offensive coaching adjustments= some coaches are stuck on what they want to call and try to ram their gameplan home.

Elite D?  Sure, against bad teams, but the Colts made us look soft.

Elite ST?  Average at best punter and average Punt returner

When Greg Cosell talks football everyone should listen- I think the dude is an expert.

[Mr. WEO]

Wow Cosell is a genius….a regular Rembrandt 

[Logic]

This offseason, give me a couple of big, mean offensive guards and a legitimate running back. Draft one in the first if you need to, I don't care.

I'm not suggesting we turn the clock back to the 70s and run it 40 times a game. I AM suggesting, however, that Allen will be much more successful if he has a running game to lean on when needed. Remember the game against the Jets when he was slinging it 20 yards down field at will all second half? Why was he able to do that? Because the Jets rotated a safety down into the box to stop the run game.

Enough horizontal spacing offense. Give me an offense based on power running, play-action and downfield passing. Allen is EXCELLENT off play-action and throwing the ball downfield, and he'd be even better at both if defenses had to account for a legitimate run game. 

As Cosell says, the Bills offense as currently constructed requires Allen to be All-World, all of the time. It's not sustainable. Throwing the ball 40 times per game in a place like Buffalo is not sustainable once November and December roll around. Fix the line, add a legitimate runner in the backfield, and watch Allen and the Bills offense flourish.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

Saw Greg breaking down the Bills on TV today.  Nothing we don't already know but this is from someone who watches every piece of film...

Let's hope the Bills are fixing some of these issues.

 

Problems are:

- Lack of running game, no commitment to it whatsoever. RB's aren't good enough.

- OLine are not nearly good enough in pass protection to throw the ball as often as they want.

- Lacking explosive plays in passing game which existed last season.  If drives can't be sustained by running, Bills must have explosive plays.

- Buffalo cannot execute a viable offense if the only dimension is passing. 

- Josh Allen has to be special, every week, every play, or the Bills cannot win.  That's too much to ask, does not believe it's sustainable.  

 

He appears pretty regularly on a segment with Chris Brown and Steve Tasker and he pretty much said the same things a couple weeks back.

 

I guess one question is why they're lacking explosive plays in the passing game from last season - did they say anything about that?

 

 

[BananaB]

He’s been saying the same on OBL the past few weeks. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

He has clearly mastered the obvious. How many new starters do you think we’ll have on the OL next year? I’d put the over/under at 2.5. 

3....A healthy Dawkins and Brown are locks. Morse is decent but borderline. Guys like Ford, Boettger and Feliciano will be gone. We need to build road grading maulers on this OL. Then find a fast RB. Maybe a Kevin Walker type? I think they keep Singletary & Breida but Moss might be a casualty. 

[Augie]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

3....A healthy Dawkins and Brown are locks. Morse is decent but borderline. Guys like Ford, Boettger and Feliciano will be gone. We need to build road grading maulers on this OL. Then find a fast RB. Maybe a Kevin Walker type? I think they keep Singletary & Breida but Moss might be a casualty. 

 

I think Morse is the only question on the interior, and agree we are set at tackle. Morse I believe has another year on his deal and they may bring someone in to learn behind him. I met his uncle (I believe it was) on the flight to the opener and he said he’d be gone next year. I mentioned I thought he had one year left and he just shrugged and said “well, you know…” Maybe with his concussion history and career earnings he’s decided to get out while the getting is good? 

 

If Morse IS gone, then you are correct and the number will be three. Regardless, I hope he is well and he can have a long, happy and healthy life with his family after football. 

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

RB's aren't good enough.

 

Not sure how he got that from breaking down the game.  RBs had 11 hand offs for 73 yards.  North of 6.5 YPC. What does he want?

 

It's not that we can't run, we choose not to.

[JaCrispy]

20 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

3....A healthy Dawkins and Brown are locks. Morse is decent but borderline. Guys like Ford, Boettger and Feliciano will be gone. We need to build road grading maulers on this OL. Then find a fast RB. Maybe a Kevin Walker type? I think they keep Singletary & Breida but Moss might be a casualty. 

Such a shame, I feel like our chances at success are shot this year, as a result of this...

[TailgateChef]

29 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think Morse is the only question on the interior, and agree we are set at tackle. Morse I believe has another year on his deal and they may bring someone in to learn behind him. I met his uncle (I believe it was) on the flight to the opener and he said he’d be gone next year. I mentioned I thought he had one year left and he just shrugged and said “well, you know…” Maybe with his concussion history and career earnings he’s decided to get out while the getting is good? 

 

If Morse IS gone, then you are correct and the number will be three. Regardless, I hope he is well and he can have a long, happy and healthy life with his family after football. 

Watch Iowa.  I want Tyler Linderbaum.  I would even accept a trade-up.  He would be our Q. Nelson.

 

[ticketssince61]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

Saw Greg breaking down the Bills on TV today.  Nothing we don't already know but this is from someone who watches every piece of film...

Let's hope the Bills are fixing some of these issues.

 

Problems are:

- Lack of running game, no commitment to it whatsoever. RB's aren't good enough.

- OLine are not nearly good enough in pass protection to throw the ball as often as they want.

- Lacking explosive plays in passing game which existed last season.  If drives can't be sustained by running, Bills must have explosive plays.

- Buffalo cannot execute a viable offense if the only dimension is passing. 

- Josh Allen has to be special, every week, every play, or the Bills cannot win.  That's too much to ask, does not believe it's sustainable.  

 

Cosell could have saved his time watching the film and come to the same conclusions just by reading TBD!

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, TailgateChef said:

Watch Iowa.  I want Tyler Linderbaum.  I would even accept a trade-up.  He would be our Q. Nelson.

 

 

Do you know if he has any plans for Thanksgiving evening? 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

He has clearly mastered the obvious. How many new starters do you think we’ll have on the OL next year? I’d put the over/under at 2.5. 

 

I'd take the under.  I think Dawkins and Brown return.  Plus one of the three of Morse, Mongo, and Williams.  Likely Williams comes back as he's the biggest cap hit.  Morse and Mongo total about $5 mil between them  I'd then sign a top FA guard and draft a Center/Guard.  That may be the one reason to keep Mongo instead as if they draft a guard, could move Mongo to center or could stay at guard.  He actually played pretty well their last year for Morse.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

Saw Greg breaking down the Bills on TV today.  Nothing we don't already know but this is from someone who watches every piece of film...

Let's hope the Bills are fixing some of these issues.

 

Problems are:

- Lack of running game, no commitment to it whatsoever. RB's aren't good enough.

- OLine are not nearly good enough in pass protection to throw the ball as often as they want.

- Lacking explosive plays in passing game which existed last season.  If drives can't be sustained by running, Bills must have explosive plays.

- Buffalo cannot execute a viable offense if the only dimension is passing. 

- Josh Allen has to be special, every week, every play, or the Bills cannot win.  That's too much to ask, does not believe it's sustainable.  

He said the same thing today on the Cowherd show.  This last comment has me concerned:

 

- Josh Allen has to be special, every week, every play, or the Bills cannot win.  That's too much to ask, does not believe it's sustainable.  

 

Do we risk messing up our franchise QB with insane expectations?  We know Allen internalizes this stuff and takes all the blame on his shoulders.  Throw in the fact that the big new contract makes him even more likley to believe he should be playing perfect every game.  Look how quick some of the posters on 2BD have thrown out his contract as a reason to expect Allen to play great on every play in every game.

 

I'm normally optimistic but on Cowherd Cosell seemed to be pissed off at the Bills brain trust for this. He didn't say so specifically but in responding to a Cowherd comment his tone was dripping with contempt with the Bills scheme and pass blocking.

 

 

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

Yes... but not really. Watch the Bucs, or even, gulp, a team that used to have Brady as QB.  Lots of different sweeps and quick passes, which are fast out of the QBs hands and almost equivalent to run plays. Of course with a mobile QB like Josh you can have a moving pocket as well from time to time. Even obvious straight running plays aren't predictable, like having 2 or even three(!) RB in the backfield. They make it unpredictable, so when they need the OL to pass protect for a long time, it come more as a surprise than a given. Keep the D guessing and the DLs demoralized with so many quick plays, instead of gunning for Josh every play.

 

The Bills OL is NOT built for power running like the Colts. But they also have been put out to dry way too often. All these things add up. The coaches actually did way more in the Jets game, with the FB being there a third of the time, and an extra 6th OL occasionally. In the Colts game they had 2 drives in the 1st half! And by then they were behind too much. They showed in that Jets game they were willing to adjust. Do it more!

 

Yes the Bills have to adjust, for sure. But just saying "run the ball" will mean a lot of 2nd and 9...

A team like the Niners has such a good OL that everybody they put in the backfield, including Deebo Samuel is effective.

[Success]

I think Beane is a genius, and among the best GM's in the NFL.

 

But he miscalculated this offseason, and it was a big miss.  I think he saw the O-line and RB situation as "good enough."  No doubt that he didn't think those units were world beaters, but that they'd be able to do the job of keeping the offense at least minimally balanced and protect Allen.

 

If we don't win a SB this season, those 2 units are the reason why (I know this isn't a newsflash). I get that we had to address things like pass rush as well, and that on paper, the O-line didn't look as bad as they've been playing - but the run game is a tough one.  Looking around the league, other teams were able to upgrade fairly easily.  The Bills just didn't make much of an effort.

 

[UKBillFan]

14 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

He said the same thing today on the Cowherd show.  This last comment has me concerned:

 

- Josh Allen has to be special, every week, every play, or the Bills cannot win.  That's too much to ask, does not believe it's sustainable.  

 

Do we risk messing up our franchise QB with insane expectations?  We know Allen internalizes this stuff and takes all the blame on his shoulders.  Throw in the fact that the big new contract makes him even more likley to believe he should be playing perfect every game.  Look how quick some of the posters on 2BD have thrown out his contract as a reason to expect Allen to play great on every play in every game.

 

I'm normally optimistic but on Cowherd Cosell seemed to be pissed off at the Bills brain trust for this. He didn't say so specifically but in responding to a Cowherd comment his tone was dripping with contempt with the Bills scheme and pass blocking.

 

 

And then it snowballs - he looks for the big plays and goes for the hero-ball because he feels he has to for the team, as he sees it as his responsibility.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Without actually looking up numbers I think we're more explosive this year than we were last year. 

[DrPJax]

2 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

BOLD PREDICTION:  The Bills offense is going to thrive playing in the dome tomorrow night….

They can “ thrive” in ths dome against an average team all they want.  It will Mean nothing.  So what if we beat a non conference opponent ( and I’m not sure we will as Peyton is a better , SB winning coach ). .does that Improve our afc conference standing?  All our loses are AFC  loses. , we lose tiebreakers to everyone except the pats as we have yet to play them.  Our o is stagnant , our line is not capable of short yardage wins and we can’t/ don’t run in the red zone. Do yo honestly see us winning away games against the Bucs / Pats?  
 

I see our best record as 11-6, and could be 10-7 and losing tie breakers , as we are outside looking in. We blew the easy wins, our o coordinator won’t run the ball and does not know how to develop an effective run scheme. After losses to the Bucs& Pats, we turn toward draft discussion , but most importantly we begin our search for a new o coordinator who can combine the run and pass. Pats game may be close within a possession ,but I see theBucs easily by 14-17 points. The pats , getting on a roll for the playoffs , lay a big loss on us in New England as the bills are ready to forget this season and players know coordinators, line coaches are lame ducks. 
 

Basically , a dome doesn’t run or stop the run!  Our line play , slow backs like moss, and an o coordinator refusing to run , has wasted  a season , or two as we are forced to rebuild an offense that is not solely based on Josh. Even TB, got help and it’s a shame it took a wasted year for Mcd and Beane to grasp basic NFL  winning principles.   Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE WE SWEEP THE BUCS ANd PATS?  And if the dome is so important,,,,,,where are we getting one for the two pats games and against the Bucs?  The bills ARE WHO WE SAW against the Colts,,,,,,records are not fabricated!   We may squeak by the Saints, another so- so team, but do t drink the kool- aid,,,,we are not beating the Bucs at home and the pats twice. Hey , they lead the division and they just need to win one of our games to take the division, and this Bills team is too inconsistent to string wins together.  They haven’t in a month, no evidence they can flip a switch now!  There is no run coming like we saw end last year. Hope to be wrong, but I hope to win the lottery too !  I like controlling one’s fate over hope every time! 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Brady won with less personnel in New England. Allen needs to be special every game. Well that is what MVP QBs do. The difference is McD is not Belichick. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

24 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

They can “ thrive” in ths dome against an average team all they want.  It will Mean nothing.  So what if we beat a non conference opponent ( and I’m not sure we will as Peyton is a better , SB winning coach ). .does that Improve our afc conference standing?  All our loses are AFC  loses. , we lose tiebreakers to everyone except the pats as we have yet to play them.  Our o is stagnant , our line is not capable of short yardage wins and we can’t/ don’t run in the red zone. Do yo honestly see us winning away games against the Bucs / Pats?  
 

I see our best record as 11-6, and could be 10-7 and losing tie breakers , as we are outside looking in. We blew the easy wins, our o coordinator won’t run the ball and does not know how to develop an effective run scheme. After losses to the Bucs& Pats, we turn toward draft discussion , but most importantly we begin our search for a new o coordinator who can combine the run and pass. Pats game may be close within a possession ,but I see theBucs easily by 14-17 points. The pats , getting on a roll for the playoffs , lay a big loss on us in New England as the bills are ready to forget this season and players know coordinators, line coaches are lame ducks. 
 

Basically , a dome doesn’t run or stop the run!  Our line play , slow backs like moss, and an o coordinator refusing to run , has wasted  a season , or two as we are forced to rebuild an offense that is not solely based on Josh. Even TB, got help and it’s a shame it took a wasted year for Mcd and Beane to grasp basic NFL  winning principles.   Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE WE SWEEP THE BUCS ANd PATS?  And if the dome is so important,,,,,,where are we getting one for the two pats games and against the Bucs?  The bills ARE WHO WE SAW against the Colts,,,,,,records are not fabricated!   We may squeak by the Saints, another so- so team, but do t drink the kool- aid,,,,we are not beating the Bucs at home and the pats twice. Hey , they lead the division and they just need to win one of our games to take the division, and this Bills team is too inconsistent to string wins together.  They haven’t in a month, no evidence they can flip a switch now!  There is no run coming like we saw end last year. Hope to be wrong, but I hope to win the lottery too !  I like controlling one’s fate over hope every time! 

WHOA, Iet’s take it one game at a time here.

[CincyBillsFan]

23 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Brady won with less personnel in New England. Allen needs to be special every game. Well that is what MVP QBs do. The difference is McD is not Belichick. 

Did he?  I don't recall a NE team with Brady that went to a Super Bowl with RB's as poor as the Bills.  Nor do I remember them going to Super Bowls with an O-line as poor as the Bills.  And as good as Diggs is he isn't better then Randy Moss and Beasley isn't better then Welker or Edelman.  And the Bills haven't had a TE the last couple of years with a fraction of the talent Gronk brought to the table.

 

If Allen needs to be special every game he Bills will not be going to a Super Bowl.  It's simply an unrealistic expectation. 

[BillsFan130]

4 hours ago, Augie said:

He has clearly mastered the obvious. How many new starters do you think we’ll have on the OL next year? I’d put the over/under at 2.5. 

Dawkins stays.

 

New left guard.

 

Morse 50/50.

 

New right guard.

 

Spencer brown stays at right tackle.

 

I think 2.5 over/under is bang on as it really depends on what they wanna do with Morse.

 

If they just would have drafted Creed Humphries... sigh

Edited November 25, 2021 by BillsFan130

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, TailgateChef said:

Watch Iowa.  I want Tyler Linderbaum.  I would even accept a trade-up.  He would be our Q. Nelson.

 

When looking for pro ready interior OL, Iowa has always been an o-line factory...👍