Jon Gruden suing the NFL, Roger Goodell

[Mister Defense]

1 minute ago, boater said:

Yep. Too much incriminating information will come out in discovery. Gruden gets a big fat negotiated settlement.

 

Who ever thought this hit job was a good idea gets the Rainman Idiot Savant of the year award.

 

 

Has to be sarcasm here, right?  Gruden will get nothing, just humiliate himself and his family even more if that is possible.

[itaos]

1 minute ago, Mister Defense said:

 

 

Has to be sarcasm here, right?  Gruden will get nothing, just humiliate himself and his family even more if that is possible.

You are probably correct. If the lawsuit will cost the NFL more than the damage of Gruden leaking anything worthwhile then they'll settle and he'll get paid. 

[John from Riverside]

The made an example of him.....of that I have no doubt

I also have no doubt that is just the tip of the iceburg on this

[YoloinOhio]

Mark Davis said at the owners meetings that he thought the nfl should release everything on WFT. Meanwhile jerruh said he thought the nfl did a sufficient job on the WFT case. There are owners who just want this to end .. for obvious reasons 

[BUFFALOTONE]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Good for Chucky

Goodell has done nothing good for the NFL. He can’t leave the commissioner’s office soon enough for me!

He made over $50M last year....he is not going anywhere and makes the Owners wayyy too much money.

[nedboy7]

Couldn’t have happened to a classier guy. 

[Paulus]

This does make one wonder how he plans to meet his burden... But, that is what happened. 

 

I am guessing the NFL will cave if they are forced to release all of the emails. Releasing the emails will probably cost the NFL more than a settlement with Chucky.

 

Best Result: He doesn't settle. He just ***** everywhere, taking his persecutors out with him, haha. 

 

Likely result: Undisclosed Settlement.

[prissythecat]

 None of this changes the fact that Chucks wrote emails that were misogynistic , homophobic , and racist .   And to make it even more awesome , he wrote them on systems where there is no expectation of privacy .   

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Good for Chucky

Goodell has done nothing good for the NFL. He can’t leave the commissioner’s office soon enough for me!

Yet he'll go to the HOF just for being commissioner unlike Rosell and Tagliabue who actually did things for the league that was for the greater good of the game and made a difference. The league has gotten soft and changed for the negative under goodell

[SirAndrew]

27 minutes ago, itaos said:

You are probably correct. If the lawsuit will cost the NFL more than the damage of Gruden leaking anything worthwhile then they'll settle and he'll get paid. 

Lots of people not giving the NFL credit for the wealth and clout they possess. I’m sure there’s plenty of stuff that could make the league look bad, but don’t count on it coming out. The NFL has a top notch legal team. Gruden would have never been thrown under the bus if this was going to come back to bite them. There’s a good chance they’ll reach a settlement, but even without a settlement, I don’t see anyone requiring the league to release every email. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by SirAndrew

[4BillsintheBurgh]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I don't understand how the NFL thought it could release his emails and only his emails out of the half million they went through and think he would respond. The commish should be ashamed of being so stupid. I knew Goddell was unethical but this so stupid and Gruden will get his whole 100 million now without having to deal with Al Davis 

I'm sure the number Gruden comes up with for a settlement will be huge, much bigger than 100 million. The balance of the contract plus future earnings given his age, etc. Where's my popcorn? 

[Orlando Tim]

3 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I'm sure the number Gruden comes up with for a settlement will be huge, much bigger than 100 million. The balance of the contract plus future earnings given his age, etc. Where's my popcorn? 

I truly think he will get the whole of the remaining of his contract or the NFL will be forced to release the rest of the emails.

[clayboy54]

Somewhere in a very warm place, Al Davis is looking up smiling. 👹

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, eball said:

Is this a surprise to anyone?  Seriously?  Chucky suing the NFL and burning every bridge in his wake was about as predictable as the sun rising and setting.

He has nothing to lose…I am no Gruden fan, but my guess as the onion gets peeled back, there is a whole lot more to this story.

[boater]

10 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

He has nothing to lose…I am no Gruden fan, but my guess as the onion gets peeled back, there is a whole lot more to this story.

This.

 

I'm no Gruden fan either. But there is something fishy about this whole escapade. I foresee the NFL trying to put a lid on it quickly. It prolly has tentacles reaching back to WFT/Snyder and Cowboys/Jones. Let's add in a dash of Kraft/Patriots.. because he's never been too discrete with his personal life.

 

Half a million emails contains a lot of dirt, no doubt.

[Process]

Is Gruden a POS? Probably.

 

But what the NFL and owners did was BS. They sacrificed him to cover up things that are likely much worse. 

[quinnearlysghost88]

2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

#IBackGruden 

 

Mostly because I want to see Goodell in trouble and out of the commish’s office. He has done some good things for the game, but the referees and rules are at an all time worst. At least when they were incompetent under Tagliabue’s reign it was mostly due to the lack of replay or camera angles, but amending/introducing the taunting, roughing the passer, and “he hit me too hard” penalties have made the game frustrating and nearly unwatchable. 

The problem is the owners love him. They’ve kept him in because he does their budding and is a lightning rod to take the focus off them. That’s all they want ultimately. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Cue the TBD forensic investigators, armchair civil litigators and general know-it-alls. 

Guilty as charged!

[QCity]

40 minutes ago, boater said:

 

I'm no Gruden fan either. But there is something fishy about this whole escapade.

 

Add me to this camp as well.

[JDubya76]

If any non-owner is familiar with where the skeletons are buried, probably Gruden. This should be fun. 
 

protect the shield vs. bury the shield. A quick settlement will tell us if Gruden has the dirt.

[RichRiderBills]

2 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 None of this changes the fact that Chucks wrote emails that were misogynistic , homophobic , and racist .   And to make it even more awesome , he wrote them on systems where there is no expectation of privacy .   

 

Not sure if part 2 of your post is accurate. This has not been scrutinized legally. It's possible you are wrong.

 

Also, for that matter we have never seen the physical texts of the emails. Never. Everything has been paraphrased by "sources".

[RaoulDuke79]

I can't wait for this soap opera to play out. I suspect a lot of dirty laundry to be aired. 

[aristocrat]

at least whoever leaked them should get exposed you'd think

[hemma]

$20 million is one pocket’s lint for Goodell.

Clean out all his pockets Chuckie.

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, boater said:

This.

 

I'm no Gruden fan either. But there is something fishy about this whole escapade. I foresee the NFL trying to put a lid on it quickly. It prolly has tentacles reaching back to WFT/Snyder and Cowboys/Jones. Let's add in a dash of Kraft/Patriots.. because he's never been too discrete with his personal life.

 

Half a million emails contains a lot of dirt, no doubt.

My thoughts exactly, and Gruden wouldn’t lawyer up and sue the biggest league in the nation if there was not more to this…were going to see some nasty ***** and hopefully the demise of goodell. 

4 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

gl with that Grudes,   it does seem strange that he was the only person out of all those hundreds of thousands of emails to get busted.   mbe he has a case,   should be fun to watch.    ill assume that if the NFL even remotely believes John may win the lawsuit,  theyll just settle out of court to make it all go away,  like usual,  and we the plebs will never know what really is going on.  standard stuff.

Maybe Gruden is so pissed off he refuses to settle? Wouldn’t that be a fun ride!!!!

[RaoulDuke79]

10 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Maybe Gruden is so pissed off he refuses to settle? Wouldn’t that be a fun ride!!!!

I hope this is the case. I think Gruden has enough money to live very comfortably,  and he seems like the kind of guy who may be pissed off enough to leave a path of destruction behind. 

[Coastie]

If Gruden's emails were that bad (and they were) he knows the replies that never came out. There are others who are shaking in the wind is what I figure. And the NFL wants none of that.

Edited November 13, 2021 by Coastie

[billsfan_34]

12 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I hope this is the case. I think Gruden has enough money to live very comfortably,  and he seems like the kind of guy who may be pissed off enough to leave a path of destruction behind. 

That is what I get out of all this. This will certainly get interesting for sure.

[prissythecat]

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Not sure if part 2 of your post is accurate. This has not been scrutinized legally. It's possible you are wrong.

 

Also, for that matter we have never seen the physical texts of the emails. Never. Everything has been paraphrased by "sources".

Gruden used his personal account but sent the emails to the WFT domain…  that’s not private in this scenario

[thronethinker]

So he was fired because he said things some people don't like. The issue is did he ever fire or not hire someone based on their race, gender, gender identity, daily identity, or extenuating identity of sexual orientation/preference. If not he has his rights to his speech in a lawsuit. 

Edited November 13, 2021 by thronethinker

[In Summary]

6 hours ago, Coastie said:

This my friends is going to be ugly.

Just the way ESPN and the sports tabloid culture like it.

[qwksilver]

@Roger Goodell Where are you? Can you give us some inside information, anything?

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, thronethinker said:

So he was fired because he said things some people don't like. The issue is did he ever fire or not hire someone based on their race, gender, gender identity, daily identity, or extenuating identity of sexual orientation/preference. If not he has his rights to his speech in a lawsuit. 

Didn’t he resign?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Didn’t he resign?

yeah, I would think this might be a problem with his case. 

[MJS]

2 hours ago, thronethinker said:

So he was fired because he said things some people don't like. The issue is did he ever fire or not hire someone based on their race, gender, gender identity, daily identity, or extenuating identity of sexual orientation/preference. If not he has his rights to his speech in a lawsuit. 

He wasn't fired.

 

But his case isn't base on being fired.

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Good for Chucky

Goodell has done nothing good for the NFL. He can’t leave the commissioner’s office soon enough for me!

 

 

I'd argue Goodell's been spectacular.

 

Continuously growing popularity and revenue. He's been a terrific commish. He has also served as an excellent lightning rod, sheltering the owners.

 

But while this lawsuit is over-written, it's a legit gripe that they targeted Gruden and withheld all the rest. He's got a chance at a very sizeable settlement, IMO, and may eventually even force them to reveal the rest, though they'll fight that tooth and nail.

 

5 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

The problem is the owners love him. They’ve kept him in because he does their budding and is a lightning rod to take the focus off them. That’s all they want ultimately. 

 

That's not all they want. Their #1 desire is the financial success and growth of the league, which has skyrocketed under Goodell.

Edited November 13, 2021 by Thurman#1

[jlgarsh]

3 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Not sure if part 2 of your post is accurate. This has not been scrutinized legally. It's possible you are wrong.

 

Also, for that matter we have never seen the physical texts of the emails. Never. Everything has been paraphrased by "sources".

He was sending emails from his ESPN employee account. No expectation of privacy. 

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, thronethinker said:

So he was fired because he said things some people don't like. The issue is did he ever fire or not hire someone based on their race, gender, gender identity, daily identity, or extenuating identity of sexual orientation/preference. If not he has his rights to his speech in a lawsuit. 

 

 

No, that's not the issue at all.

 

Getting fired or forced to resign because you said some things your employer doesn't like is S.O.P.

 

You do have the right to free speech, and Gruden's have not been even slightly inhibited. Has he been thrown in jail? He's got the right to free speech. He does not have a right to hold onto his job regardless of whether his employer likes what he's doing with his right to free speech, or any other aspect of his job performance for that matter.

Edited November 13, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, Process said:

Is Gruden a POS? Probably.

 

But what the NFL and owners did was BS. They sacrificed him to cover up things that are likely much worse. 

 

 

I don't think it's yet clear that the NFL and the owners are the ones who released those emails. Certainly could be someone at the NFL. But it could be someone at WFT, or LVR or a lower-level NFL guy as easily as a high-level decision. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Gruden was a scapegoat to take heat off the WFT investigation.   He is a diversion.  How old are these emails?  The NFL is even dirtier than Gruden the patsy.

Edited November 13, 2021 by ExiledInIllinois