st pete gogolak Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I get that the Bills don't have a ton of skin in this particular question (other than a decent comp pick) but if you look at what Darnold is doing in Carolina and how the Bears are in the process of destroying Fields, I can see how a team could be very interested in Trubisky this offseason, especially if the Bills showcase him in a meaningless end of season game and he looks decent in said meaningless game. Trubisky in Chicago looked a helluva lot better than Darnold did in NY. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I get that the Bills don't have a ton of skin in this particular question (other than a decent comp pick) but if you look at what Darnold is doing in Carolina and how the Bears are in the process of destroying Fields, I can see how a team could be very interested in Trubisky this offseason, especially if the Bills showcase him in a meaningless end of season game and he looks decent in said meaningless game. Trubisky in Chicago looked a helluva lot better than Darnold did in NY. Would love to see some type of handshake agreement for sign and trade. We did Mitch a solid here to an extent, maybe he can return it while still getting him to the team he wants. Far fetched but Beane is a wizard Edited September 27, 2021 by BillsShredder83 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 The way Trubisky played against his old team in the preseason was a showcase in itself, but I agree that more time with mop-up duty (and let's hope for a lot of that) will make him even more attractive. On top of that, he's working with a staff that turned Josh from a raw prospect to a top-five QB in just a few years. Mitch will get a number of offers after this season. He'll be able to choose the team that he thinks will give him the best chance to succeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Why trade him? If he signs for good money somewhere after the season it will greatly help our compensation formula. I forsee many vets let go this year signing on other teams (Hughes, Addison, Trubisky etc). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I think you take the 3rd round comp pick and the reputation boost and be happy with it. 5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Is the comp pick based solely on $? Anybody know how that works? Like specific tiers errrrrrr????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Would love to see some type of handshake agreement for sign and trade. We did Mitch a solid here to an extent, maybe he can return it while still getting him to the team he wants. Far fetched but Beane is a wizard Why in the world would he do a sign & trade, that makes absolutely no sense on his part. He is a free agent, if Beane wants to retain his rights he is going to have to franchise him which is obviously is not going to happen. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Would love to see some type of handshake agreement for sign and trade. We did Mitch a solid here to an extent, maybe he can return it while still getting him to the team he wants. Far fetched but Beane is a wizard The NFL isn't the NBA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I get that the Bills don't have a ton of skin in this particular question (other than a decent comp pick) but if you look at what Darnold is doing in Carolina and how the Bears are in the process of destroying Fields, I can see how a team could be very interested in Trubisky this offseason, especially if the Bills showcase him in a meaningless end of season game and he looks decent in said meaningless game. Trubisky in Chicago looked a helluva lot better than Darnold did in NY. Yes. And Trubisky is going to get another look as a starter from various teams just by way of everyone finally waking up and seeing that Nagy and his staff suck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gordio said: Why in the world would he do a sign & trade, that makes absolutely no sense on his part. He is a free agent, if Beane wants to retain his rights he is going to have to franchise him which is obviously is not going to happen. Idk cause... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said: Idk cause... Yeah it would be great if it happened but it is not going to so why even bring it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Would love to see some type of handshake agreement for sign and trade. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I am still shocked the bears didnt keep him and dump Nagy. Mitch made the playoffs twice in 4 years with the Bears. Yesterday they had 1 yard passing with a rookie QB Me thinks the problem wasn't the QB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 That football team we played yesterday looks like a prime landing spot. I have battled with bears fans all offseason about I wouldn’t want Nagy anywhere near Fields. I really dislike the guy. For an “offensive” coach his offenses are generally pretty trash outside mitchs rookie year. If you know your offensive line is complete trash you’d think you’d incorporate more screens and slants etc etc to help the rookie out and get the ball out of his hand in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Why not? IMO he was overhyped coming out of college He did OK considering the organization 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: That football team we played yesterday looks like a prime landing spot. I have battled with bears fans all offseason about I wouldn’t want Nagy anywhere near Fields. I really dislike the guy. For an “offensive” coach his offenses are generally pretty trash outside mitchs rookie year. If you know your offensive line is complete trash you’d think you’d incorporate more screens and slants etc etc to help the rookie out and get the ball out of his hand in time. Yeah, I think Nagy and Pace are both out at year's end. They have really stunk up the joint as far as team building and game planning overall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Quote Are Darnold and Fields Going to Make Trubisky a Hot Commodity This Offseason? Answer: Yes. Hello comp pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Houston, New Orleans, WFT seem like probable landing spots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I think a team looking for a vet stop gap will likely take on Trubisky. But I don't see him getting a massive contract or being a hot commodity. WFT, Texans, Steelers, Broncos, Lions, Giants and a few other QB needy teams might sign Mitch to a one year deal to compete with a rookie drafted up high or play band aid for one season. But I don't see any team going fully on board with Mitch as their sole QB option either. It was smart for Mitch to take the one year deal here as a backup and improve his confidence game and stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 55 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Is the comp pick based solely on $? Anybody know how that works? Like specific tiers errrrrrr????? I did look that up earlier this year. It is complicated but $ is important but also snap count % is factored. OTC had a pretty good article about it. https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/ quote from article: Methodology App. V, §2 lays out the process of calculating the value of CFAs. §2(a) begins the calculation as follows to all players in the league Start with the Average Per Year (APY) of the contract signed. Subtract from the APY any money that the compensatory formula does not count3. Rank these players by adjusted APY in descending order, and assign points to each player, equal to [number of leaguewide players]-[rank]. Add anywhere from 25 to 100 points for players who played a percentage of snaps on offense or defense in the range of 25% to 100%. (Kickers and punters are given a different point addition unrelated to snap counts.) Add 20 or 5 points for postseason honors as determined by the AP’s All Pro list, and the PFWA’s All NFL/All Conference list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said: I get that the Bills don't have a ton of skin in this particular question (other than a decent comp pick) but if you look at what Darnold is doing in Carolina and how the Bears are in the process of destroying Fields, I can see how a team could be very interested in Trubisky this offseason, especially if the Bills showcase him in a meaningless end of season game and he looks decent in said meaningless game. Trubisky in Chicago looked a helluva lot better than Darnold did in NY. I am not so sure it the Bears destroying Fields. Looks like the perfect storm here of a horrible coaching staff and horrible QB (fields) make for a 1 yard net passing performance. That game against the Browns yesterday was absolutely horrific. The Bears need a new coaching staff and new QB IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 WFT is going to be looking and I don’t think the guy we played is a long term answer. I would not be surprised to see McD talk up Mitch to Rivera and that they make a push. Mitch is still young enough to be a long term answer on the right team and that give them a chance to look in the draft over the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsShredder83 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I did look that up earlier this year. It is complicated but $ is important but also snap count % is factored. OTC had a pretty good article about it. https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/ quote from article: Methodology App. V, §2 lays out the process of calculating the value of CFAs. §2(a) begins the calculation as follows to all players in the league Start with the Average Per Year (APY) of the contract signed. Subtract from the APY any money that the compensatory formula does not count3. Rank these players by adjusted APY in descending order, and assign points to each player, equal to [number of leaguewide players]-[rank]. Add anywhere from 25 to 100 points for players who played a percentage of snaps on offense or defense in the range of 25% to 100%. (Kickers and punters are given a different point addition unrelated to snap counts.) Add 20 or 5 points for postseason honors as determined by the AP’s All Pro list, and the PFWA’s All NFL/All Conference list. That was like reading a mortgage contract 🤣 Holy smokes, I'm just gunna keep to the estimate of $, snaps, and all pro if applicable. Thanks for digging that up though! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I wonder if Beane is getting any offers now and what that looks like. I don’t want to trade him but I wonder if the FO is being tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: I did look that up earlier this year. It is complicated but $ is important but also snap count % is factored. OTC had a pretty good article about it. https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/ quote from article: Methodology App. V, §2 lays out the process of calculating the value of CFAs. §2(a) begins the calculation as follows to all players in the league Start with the Average Per Year (APY) of the contract signed. Subtract from the APY any money that the compensatory formula does not count3. Rank these players by adjusted APY in descending order, and assign points to each player, equal to [number of leaguewide players]-[rank]. Add anywhere from 25 to 100 points for players who played a percentage of snaps on offense or defense in the range of 25% to 100%. (Kickers and punters are given a different point addition unrelated to snap counts.) Add 20 or 5 points for postseason honors as determined by the AP’s All Pro list, and the PFWA’s All NFL/All Conference list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I bet he follows Daboll 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: I get that the Bills don't have a ton of skin in this particular question (other than a decent comp pick) but if you look at what Darnold is doing in Carolina and how the Bears are in the process of destroying Fields, I can see how a team could be very interested in Trubisky this offseason, especially if the Bills showcase him in a meaningless end of season game and he looks decent in said meaningless game. Trubisky in Chicago looked a helluva lot better than Darnold did in NY. I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see Trubisky get interest this off-season. To really be a “hot commodity” though he probably will need significant reps at some point this year w/o seeing meaningful snaps. Unless it’s week 18, let’s hope that doesn’t happen! I find it hard to believe that Mitch ends up in high demand after sitting his ass on the bench the entire season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 hours ago, WhoTom said: he's working with a staff that turned Josh from put on a clinic about how to develop a raw prospect with other-worldly talent into a top-five QB in just a few years Fixed for accuracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Malazan said: I think you take the 3rd round comp pick and the reputation boost and be happy with it. exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, WhoTom said: The way Trubisky played against his old team in the preseason was a showcase in itself, but I agree that more time with mop-up duty (and let's hope for a lot of that) will make him even more attractive. On top of that, he's working with a staff that turned Josh from a raw prospect to a top-five QB in just a few years. Mitch will get a number of offers after this season. He'll be able to choose the team that he thinks will give him the best chance to succeed. Daboll could take Mitch with him if gets a HC gig somewhere like the Giants. Edited September 27, 2021 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 44 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I bet he follows Daboll very interesting thought...out of the box ha nice. You called it if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Trubisky will be on Pittsburg's list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) I think it’s this rookie class that might make Mitchy valuable. These kids suck. Edited September 27, 2021 by Governor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Houston, New Orleans, WFT seem like probable landing spots. Washington needs a ton of help and could be a place. Honestly, I don’t see Carolina or New Orleans as a landing spot. Darnold has been OK and Winston is 7:2 TD:INT at the moment. Both will either ride them out and/or draft a guy. But it doesn’t make any sense to jump on the FA merry go round for those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Malazan said: I think you take the 3rd round comp pick and the reputation boost and be happy with it. Unless Trubisky signs a deal worth $14M+ per year (last year's price for a 3rd i.e. it's not happening) you can forget about 3rd round. Plan for a 7th rd comp pick and that's if and only if we have a net loss in free agents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 5 hours ago, WhoTom said: The way Trubisky played against his old team in the preseason was a showcase in itself, but I agree that more time with mop-up duty (and let's hope for a lot of that) will make him even more attractive. On top of that, he's working with a staff that turned Josh from a raw prospect to a top-five QB in just a few years. Mitch will get a number of offers after this season. He'll be able to choose the team that he thinks will give him the best chance to succeed. It would be really weird if. Mitch goes to Miami in FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Rc2catch said: That football team we played yesterday looks like a prime landing spot. I have battled with bears fans all offseason about I wouldn’t want Nagy anywhere near Fields. I really dislike the guy. For an “offensive” coach his offenses are generally pretty trash outside mitchs rookie year. If you know your offensive line is complete trash you’d think you’d incorporate more screens and slants etc etc to help the rookie out and get the ball out of his hand in time. C'mon, why you gotta do Mitch dirty like that? No QB deserves to be sent to play under Dan Snyder. It's a death sentence! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: I wonder if Beane is getting any offers now and what that looks like. I don’t want to trade him but I wonder if the FO is being tempted. We signed him so if Josh gets injured this year ( always a possibility with his playing style ) we'll have a real a QB we can put out there and still win games cuz we're trying to win the SB this year. I doubt very seriously that they are being "tempted". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 hours ago, x-BillzeBubba said: This is insane... Along with Tom Brady leading the Bucs in rushing for the day, 2021 NFL has been wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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