Artem Lipatov Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Last year Brady proved he could win SB with any coach without genius BB. BB proved he’s below average without Brady 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 2 hours ago, NobesBLO13 said: And his son has a punchable face! This board is SO much more fun after a win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said: Last year Brady proved he could win SB with any coach without genius BB. BB proved he’s below average without Brady I agree, and I’m not denying the fact that Brady is still playing at a high level, but he pulled a LeBron by going to a team with a loaded roster. I’m not sure if that proves can win with any coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: and you want to ignore 84% of the man's career and pretend that isn't significant. Fraud is comical but I think you could make the case hes overrated. They spent tons of picks on the defensive side of the ball because Brady was carrying the offense and their defense really hasn't even been excellent. Belichick kind of GMed that team straight into the ground although there's a ton of football left. Weird seeing him pick mac I don't think thats the guy he wanted Edited September 26, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 I wonder does this thread get made if they win today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Beast said: 62-74 record without Brady as his starting QB. The man is not what people say he is. Is Bruce Arians a poor coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 27, 2021 Author Share Posted September 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, klos63 said: Is Bruce Arians a poor coach? Has Bruce Arians ever been propped up as the best HC to ever live? Start your own thread and ask. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Beast said: Has Bruce Arians ever been propped up as the best HC to ever live? Start your own thread and ask. No but he won with Brady, that should disqualify him right? No, I won't start a stupid thread, that's your job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 27, 2021 Author Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, klos63 said: No but he won with Brady, that should disqualify him right? No, I won't start a stupid thread, that's your job. You're a bright one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Marv Levy was an average coach before he met Jim Kelly. He didn’t do much without him either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, LeGOATski said: I've never thought that highly of him. And he's a cheater. But I don't think the record says anything significant. I always thought the fact that the defensive genius couldn’t stop a nosebleed for years said more, fraud might be a bit much but overrated for sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Yeah but who do we hate more? Beli or Brady? Probs Brady for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Beast said: 62-74 record without Brady as his starting QB. The man is not what people say he is. LOL I wouldn’t go that far but I think the Brady vs. Belichick debate is looking more and more one-sided each week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Does Bill force his not-that-young children to make out with him? If not, then I still respect him more than Brady. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 He's a really good defensive gameplanner. Innovative, proven. Sucks as a GM, brutally awkward personality. No coach can hide from medicre qb play for very long. He's no different. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Yeah, I mean it's not New England's defenses were ever any good. I'd argue Belichick is the main reason Bill Parcells has any rings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Yeah, I mean it's not New England's defenses were ever any good. I'd argue Belichick is the main reason Bill Parcells has any rings. Parcells hired him. He also hired Coughlin. Part of being a great coach is identifying and hiring great assistants. It’s basically the number one job of a head coach, and Parcells was unparalleled in that area. He also rescued and nurtured Sean Payton. Parcells is one of the greatest ever, in my opinion. Edited September 27, 2021 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 No question about it, he's the greatest DC in NFL history. But he's a cheater and he lucked into a great QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 McDermott made the playoffs his first year, without Josh or much else for that matter... Bill is now on year 2 without Tom, and now has invested a top pick into an Alabama QB with mediocre intangibles, who's ceiling is probably "prime" Trent Edwards... Not to mention the Patriots inability to hit on 1st round picks to begin with. Even with the expanded playoff format, they'll be lucky to sniff a wildcard anytime soon, especially with how strong the West and North both are. There are no more coattails for the hoodie to ride, he will have to live with the Bills owning the division until he's forced into retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I clicked agree, but don't believe it. Felt like a trap, but I still had to do it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Merely a 'thought experiment'. Kind of like the cowboy that gets caught by Indians and his horse keeps bringing him a girl? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Ghost_002! said: I wonder does this thread get made if they win today? no 62-73 was the threshold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Beast said: 62-74 record without Brady as his starting QB. The man is not what people say he is. This thread is the greatest fraud in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Great coach. Bad GM. Also an untrustworthy person as well, being that he has a propensity to cheat a lot and gets caught every four/ish years on average for the last two decades, but hey, some folk like a cheater, birds of a feather and all. Edited September 27, 2021 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 9 hours ago, Beast said: 62-74 record without Brady as his starting QB. The man is not what people say he is. The NFL version of Phil Jackson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Artem Lipatov said: Last year Brady proved he could win SB with any coach without genius BB. BB proved he’s below average without Brady Hes got plenty of excuses for last year outside of brady...I'd give him this full season and see how he does. A lot of their big name defensive players missed a whole year last year so it might take them more time to gel than others they are only a game behind us after all so we can't call them terrible yet for their record this year 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 9 hours ago, Chaos said: Vince Lombardi sucked without an HOF QB Bill Walsh sucked without an HOF QB Bill Cowher sucked without an HOF QB Both John Gruden and Joe Gibbs win super bowls without HOF QBs. Based on TBD statistical theories, the key is find a coach whose initials are JG Wow! No. Lombardi’s offense with NYG was so good under HC Allie Sherman, it landed him the GB HC job (also DC Tom Landry ‘flexed’ pretty good). He had the Rdskins revitalized before dying of cancer. Cower made a SB with Neil O’Donnell at QB Walsh changed the game with his innovative West Coast Offense, a strategy still seen in variations every game. But Hey! Don’t let facts derail your thoughts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 9 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Every coach needs to a good QB to excel or an otherwise uber-talented roster. LeGOATski, my good fellow… you are spot on per usual! However, you look at guys like a Dave Wannstedt, for example, who went 82-87 over his career with guys like Erik Kramer and Jay Fiedler under center. We can probably all agree Wanny is below average. A good chunk of Belichik’s 62-74 was with guys like Bernie Kosar and Drew Bledsoe at QB. It’s not unreasonable to say Belichik had superior non-Brady QB talent to a guy like Wanny and produced a worse record. In a world where Brady never falls into his lap, does Belichik finish out another mediocre season or two with Bledsoe in New England, get canned, and go down as a great DC who was a below average head coach? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Great coach. Bad GM. Great coach. Great GM. Bad drafting the last 3 - 4 years, though. Was Brady the more important piece than Belichick? I've always thought so and said so. Not enough info yet for proof, but it's certainly looking that way. But there's no such thing as the GOAT, at QB or head coach. It's too hard to compare across eras and there are too many terrific candidates. But Belichick is certainly one of the best. Yeah, I think Brady was more important than Belichick to the overall success of that team, but having Belichick was also huge. Look at all the many coaches who had great QBs and never won one championship, never mind six. Edited September 27, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I couldn’t believe people were choosing the Pats to be super bowl contenders this year. But I think the pats are still a mediocre team (they aren’t bad). Look at who’ve they beat. The jets and the dolphins. Jets are terrible and the dolphins look to be pretty lousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 11 hours ago, WotAGuy said: Marv Levy was an average coach before he met Jim Kelly. He didn’t do much without him either. I hear you. But Canadian Football Hall of Fame says no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 15 hours ago, Beast said: 62-74 record without Brady as his starting QB. The man is not what people say he is. why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: I couldn’t believe people were choosing the Pats to be super bowl contenders this year. But I think the pats are still a mediocre team (they aren’t bad). Look at who’ve they beat. The jets and the dolphins. Jets are terrible and the dolphins look to be pretty lousy. they didn't beat the dolphins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I always felt like Brady was like having an extra coach for the offense (even defense to some extent), just with the respect and aura he brought to other players. Randy Moss was a dick but he didn;t act like that when he went to NE and had an amazing season. I'm convinced that was down to Brady taking him to one side and talking to him about 'the Patriot way'. I think just having Brady there made so many players, even journeymen, play way above their usual levels. With him gone that aura has gone and I don't believe Belichick has that same effect on people despite his success, mainly because he's a tool who the players themselves probably don't trust. Basically what I'm saying is in losing Brady the Pats lost more than just a great player, they lost a coach and a leader and the personification of the Patriot Way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: I couldn’t believe people were choosing the Pats to be super bowl contenders this year. But I think the pats are still a mediocre team (they aren’t bad). Look at who’ve they beat. The jets and the dolphins. Jets are terrible and the dolphins look to be pretty lousy. Actually they are bad. Very bad. And Boston sports radio sounds this morning like they are waking up to that fact. They are predicting an epic beatdown vs. "Tompa Bay" next Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Love these knee-jerk reactions. It's like some people just started watching the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PatsFanNH Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 16 hours ago, Warcodered said: Little early for this, also just no. Rookie QB coming back down to Earth after playing an actual good defense. Actually Jones was responsible for 1 INT. 1 bounced Smith hands (after juggling it for what felt like 10 minutes) for a pick 6. The second he was throwing and got hammered as he was throwing. Truth-be told he is better than I expected, but the D can’t get a stop when needed (21-13 and the D lets the Saints eat the clock up for a TD) and the O line is just a plain mess. (They shouldn’t be should be a top 5 line) as for this thread. Since 2000 BB went 14-6 without Brady and last year went 7-9 with one of the worst rosters in the NFL. He isn’t a fraud he just may be coming to the end of his run like anyone who is 70 years old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 15 hours ago, Beast said: So, can we agree that Joe Gibbs is 10 times the HC that Belichick ever thought of being? He did it three times. Gibbs did it those three times with three different QBs. I don’t like to engage in GOAT conversations, but Gibbs certainly has a seat at the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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