Bill Belichick. Greatest fraud in NFL history.

[Ghost_002!]

16 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Actually Jones was responsible for 1 INT. 1 bounced Smith hands (after juggling it for what felt like 10 minutes) for a pick 6. The second he was throwing and got hammered as he was throwing. 

 

Truth-be told he is better than I expected, but the D can’t get a stop when needed (21-13 and the D lets the Saints eat the clock up for a TD) and the O line is just a plain mess. (They shouldn’t be should be a top 5 line) 

 

as for this thread. Since 2000 BB went 14-6 without Brady and last year went 7-9 with one of the worst rosters in the NFL. He isn’t a fraud he just may be coming to the end of his run like anyone who is 70 years old.

 

 

Jones had 2 ints that were his fault, but he is not the reason for their lost. And BB is not losing his "fast ball" it's week 3 and not even a year and a quarter of "the rebuild" but posters/fans with an agenda like to throw logic out the window and make hot takes over sample sizes instead of waiting for the whole picture. We all know after coaches lose a HOF player(s) and start to rebuild, they make the playoffs the next season and the SB the season after that. (sarcasm) 

[Doc]

48 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

Love these knee-jerk reactions. It's like some people just started watching the NFL.

How many more seasons and what record without Brady would make this a non-knee-jerk reaction?  

[Ghost_002!]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

How many more seasons and what record without Brady would make this a non-knee-jerk reaction?  

So everything he accomplished In his career now is negated after Tom Brady left? Mind you, Tom Brady went to better team, he didn't go to a team with the same talent as the Patriots.

 

Mind you BB defense won them their last SB not Tom Brady, Mind you his defensive game plan against the Bills in the SB is in the HOF, Mind you he won a SB in 01 with a "game manager " but we are going to wipe that out because we (some fans) are going to take a small portion of his career and now claim he isn't what the NFL says he is?

[billsfan89]

Not going to call him a fraud just yet. He did go 10-5 a full season without Brady and 4-0 when Brady was suspended. He is now trotting out a rookie QB who is having growing pains. Let’s see how this plays out.

[LeGOATski]

7 hours ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

LeGOATski, my good fellow… you are spot on per usual!

 

However, you look at guys like a Dave Wannstedt, for example, who went 82-87 over his career with guys like Erik Kramer and Jay Fiedler under center. We can probably all agree Wanny is below average. 
 

A good chunk of Belichik’s 62-74 was with guys like Bernie Kosar and Drew Bledsoe at QB. It’s not unreasonable to say Belichik had superior non-Brady QB talent to a guy like Wanny and produced a worse record. 
 

In a world where Brady never falls into his lap, does Belichik finish out another mediocre season or two with Bledsoe in New England, get canned, and go down as a great DC who was a below average head coach? 
 

 

That's a 45% win percentage vs a 48% win percentage. Not a huge difference. I'm not gonna waste time comparing their rosters and strength of opponents. I don't doubt that Belichick could have improved (and learned how to cheat). Like players, coaches can get better.

[BuffaloBills1998]

I completely 100 percent agree. He didn’t do anything in Cleveland with either Kosar or Testaverde. He went 5-11 two years in a row under Bledsoe. He missed the playoffs when Cassel took over an injured Brady and he didn’t do squat with Newton last year. Belichick is very overrated and it’s starting to show he needs Brady more than Brady needs him.

[Matt_In_NH]

For a team to have the record the Patriots did under Belichick and Brady requires a high level of competence from coaching staff and a great QB.  I bet if you list the great coaches of the NFL we can also list Hall of Fame Quarterbacks they had under them during their time.   I will point out Brady was not the best QB while winning his first three Super Bowls....especially the first one, he did what was asked but he was not the main catalyst, he just didn't mess up much.   Nice try, I hate the Patriots too but his record without his best player does not take away his accomplishments.

[jimmy10]

I heard it said once that if you take away the Brady years, Belichick’s career is basically the same as Rex Ryan’s. 
 

I have yet to see evidence to the contrary. 
 

 

[hondo in seattle]

The anti-Belichick crowd looks at Brady's impact on Bill's W-L percentage but completely ignore Bill's influence on Brady.

 

Brady was a mediocre 6th round draft pick that Belichick and his staff taught how to prepare, how to dissect defenses, and so on.

 

Bill isn't Bill without Tom.  Tom isn't Tom without Bill.  

[jimmy10]

3 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

The anti-Belichick crowd looks at Brady's impact on Bill's W-L percentage but completely ignore Bill's influence on Brady.

 

Brady was a mediocre 6th round draft pick that Belichick and his staff taught how to prepare, how to dissect defenses, and so on.

 

Bill isn't Bill without Tom.  Tom isn't Tom without Bill.  

Except Tom went on to do Tom things without Bill. Bill hasn’t seemed to be able to do the same. I’m as surprised as anyone, I thought for sure Bill would come out on top in that divorce. He still may, but we haven’t seen it yet. 

[pocoboy]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Jones had 2 ints that were his fault, but he is not the reason for their lost. And BB is not losing his "fast ball" it's week 3 and not even a year and a quarter of "the rebuild" but posters/fans with an agenda like to throw logic out the window and make hot takes over sample sizes instead of waiting for the whole picture. We all know after coaches lose a HOF player(s) and start to rebuild, they make the playoffs the next season and the SB the season after that. (sarcasm) 

 

This is fair. Unfortunately the New England-based ESPN and other sympathetic media types (Ian Crap) are in the tank. First week, Mac Jones is Brady Jr, second week, he's the greatest...and Belichick has been billed as being so ever-loving awesome that this kind of normal trajectory of "rebuild" is utterly impossible for someone with this level of NFL pwnage.

 

So with all of that - deserved that the rest of the league gets to yuck it up a bit at the expense of a fan base that has done absolutely nothing besides bought tickets and supported a guy who has used every underhanded technique to get an edge on an opponent. Sorry. The title of this thread is right - the fraud is that he's like just about every other coach, and is fortunate to have developed perhaps the greatest QB of all time under his watch.

[BFLO]

16 hours ago, Artem Lipatov said:

Last year Brady proved he could win SB with any coach without genius BB. BB proved he’s below average without Brady

Brady hasn't won anything without being surrounded by HOF level talent on offense and defense. As soon as the talent level around him in NE dropped he bolted to the most talented team in the NFL who just also happened to need a QB. 

 

Belichick had an uncanny ability to draft good players late in every round of the draft and then morph his game plan to play to his players strengths. Some years the pats had a dominant defense, sometimes it was the offense, sometimes it was both. Sometimes they'd be a run heavy team, sometimes they'd be a pass defending team. He game planned into whatever maximized the talent on the roster that season, and could even change it up based on opponent game in and game out. After 20 years the talent pool finally ran dry and the wheels fell off, and Brady jumped ship. 

 

Brady at his peak wasn't good enough to beat Eli Manning in the Superbowl... twice. Brady won all of his Superbowls either before or after his peak. Strange that the "goat" couldn't win it all at his best, but was carried by his team on multiple other occasions. 

[WotAGuy]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I hear you. But Canadian Football Hall of Fame says no.

 

 

 

 

And who was his QB for his two Grey Cup wins?  Sonny Wade, who won the Grey Cup MVP both times. 
 

Marv had a 43-31 overall record which won’t get you in the HOF; it was his QB who led the way. 
 

Just goes to show, even CFL coaches need great players to succeed. 

[K-9]

17 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

All the credit they got about bringing in Henry and Smith to recreate some offense they had over a decade ago and never a mention about how that 2 TE system worked because of #12.

 

The new Gronk and Hernandez thru 3 games have a total of 14 catches for 143 yards and 0 touchdowns.

I haven’t seen the Pats*** yet, but to your point about the TEs, are they using them like Gronk and Hernandez when they’d wait for a favorable sub package by the defense, go to the hurry up, and take advantage of matchups up and down the field? 

[RoyBatty is alive]

I take great delight in watching Belichek's apparent demise in the midst of non -stop media fawning all over him.

 

What is really great is watching his teams get called for a lot of penalties (deserved), a lot of fumbles and now rookie interceptions.   What was great to see yesterday was the Saints blocking a Pats punt and Jameis Winston, throwinp up a total jump ball....in prior years that was an easy Pat int...yesterday it went for a TD.

 

Belichek looks borderline morbidly obese and as always looks very unhappy.  What he is is stil coaching is beyond me.  He will not overcome the Belichek-Brady debate as to who created that dynasty, imo the ship has already sailed on that.

 

Belichek looks like a fat flustered bitter old man.  Try to accept reality Bill and retire.

[Ghost_002!]

30 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:

Except Tom went on to do Tom things without Bill. Bill hasn’t seemed to be able to do the same. I’m as surprised as anyone, I thought for sure Bill would come out on top in that divorce. He still may, but we haven’t seen it yet. 

 

 

And why is that? did you look at the bucs offensive weapons compared to what Brady had his last year in NE or last year at all?

29 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

This is fair. Unfortunately the New England-based ESPN and other sympathetic media types (Ian Crap) are in the tank. First week, Mac Jones is Brady Jr, second week, he's the greatest...and Belichick has been billed as being so ever-loving awesome that this kind of normal trajectory of "rebuild" is utterly impossible for someone with this level of NFL pwnage.

 

So with all of that - deserved that the rest of the league gets to yuck it up a bit at the expense of a fan base that has done absolutely nothing besides bought tickets and supported a guy who has used every underhanded technique to get an edge on an opponent. Sorry. The title of this thread is right - the fraud is that he's like just about every other coach, and is fortunate to have developed perhaps the greatest QB of all time under his watch.

 

 

 

This is all hyperbole, there is no NE -based ESPN. There's just fans jealous and tired of hearing about the Pats. Like every sports show is full of hot takes and the  hosts saying something to get notice. Everyone show does it and every host does it in every sport... to just about every player. It's what sports shows are now a days. I am sure you are not complaining when GMFB hosts goes completely bat-sh*t crazy about the Bills

Edited September 27, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[PatsFanNH]

55 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I completely 100 percent agree. He didn’t do anything in Cleveland with either Kosar or Testaverde. He went 5-11 two years in a row under Bledsoe. He missed the playoffs when Cassel took over an injured Brady and he didn’t do squat with Newton last year. Belichick is very overrated and it’s starting to show he needs Brady more than Brady needs him.

What? 5-11 two years in a row with Bledsoe? He went 1 season with Bledsoe as a starter.  
 

in Cleveland he led them to the playoffs his second season then the wheels fell off when the owner announced they were moving. (Also most 1st time HC fail).

 

BB was responsible for drafting Brady and giving him a chance. If Brady went to probably ANY other team he is out of the league in 3 years tops. BB and Brady MADE eachother! 

[Ghost_002!]

12 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I haven’t seen the Pats*** yet, but to your point about the TEs, are they using them like Gronk and Hernandez when they’d wait for a favorable sub package by the defense, go to the hurry up, and take advantage of matchups up and down the field? 

 

 

Both TEs have been very disappointing at this point. Barely recorded much for stats. The only players who have been steady in the pats offense so far have been the QB, J.Meyers (at WR) and Damien Harris has had his moments. That's about it at this point. 

Edited September 27, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

What? 5-11 two years in a row with Bledsoe? He went 1 season with Bledsoe as a starter.  
 

in Cleveland he led them to the playoffs his second season then the wheels fell off when the owner announced they were moving. (Also most 1st time HC fail).

 

BB was responsible for drafting Brady and giving him a chance. If Brady went to probably ANY other team he is out of the league in 3 years tops. BB and Brady MADE eachother! 

I don’t see it. I think it was the other way around. Again you go 5-11 under Bledsoe and all the other times Brady was out he’s lost and hasn’t had success. I’d say Brady helped make Belichick. If Belichick doesn’t draft Brady he’s fired after 2-3 years. 

[jimmy10]

4 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

And why is that? did you look at the bucs offensive weapons compared to what Brady had his last year in NE or last year at all?

Well of course it’s more complicated than simply Brady v Bill, nobody plays or coaches in a vacuum. And the whole book has yet to be written, but so far it looks like only one of them is able to find success without the other, that’s all I’m saying. 
 

And besides, I still firmly believe that once the right people are dead, years down the road, we’ll learn more about the depth and breadth of the cheating that went on in New England and how tainted that “dynasty” really was.  
 

But right now, for whatever reason, the Pats don’t seem to be on firm ground and that’s to be celebrated by Bills fans. The timing with our team’s track couldn’t be better. 

[K-9]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Both TEs have been very disappointing at this point. Barely recorded much for stats. The only players who have been steady in the pats offense so hard has been the QB, J.Meyers (at WR) and Damien Harris has had his moments. That's about it at this point. 

I appreciate the info, but I was more wondering about how they’re actually using the two TEs. They used to kill teams by using Gronk and Hernandez in 12 personnel packages and when the defense went heavy to counter that run threat, they’d go to the hurry up, flex one or both, and just kill slower LBs and smaller DBs all day. I just assumed that’s why they signed both TEs in free agency, but neither is a Gronk or Hernandez and Jones certainly isn’t Brady, I guess.  

[Brand J]

Brady is the NFL’s equivalent to Michael Jordan. No one in their right mind would debate who was greater for the Bulls success, Phil Jackson or Michael Jordan and it’s the same situation here. The coach calls the plays, incorporates the schemes, but it’s on the players to execute. A coach’s greatness is directly influenced by who they have on the field/court. Belichick is a great coach, but take away his Brady years and he’s nowhere near the conversation for “greatest head coach of all time.” He needed arguably the greatest QB of all time to birth that legacy.

[Beast]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

Not going to call him a fraud just yet. He did go 10-5 a full season without Brady and 4-0 when Brady was suspended. He is now trotting out a rookie QB who is having growing pains. Let’s see how this plays out.

 

He didn't go 4-0 when Brady was suspended. Our own Bills shut the Patriots out at Foxboro during that 4 game stretch.

[Ghost_002!]

26 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:

Well of course it’s more complicated than simply Brady v Bill, nobody plays or coaches in a vacuum. And the whole book has yet to be written, but so far it looks like only one of them is able to find success without the other, that’s all I’m saying. 
 

And besides, I still firmly believe that once the right people are dead, years down the road, we’ll learn more about the depth and breadth of the cheating that went on in New England and how tainted that “dynasty” really was.  
 

But right now, for whatever reason, the Pats don’t seem to be on firm ground and that’s to be celebrated by Bills fans. The timing with our team’s track couldn’t be better. 

 

 

Well that would be expected if one goes to a team ready to succeed and the other has to start from point A again. You wanna make the switch and see who fairs better BB w the Bucs or Brady with NE? And when it's all said and done or dead, you will continue to be more likely disappointed when nothing new comes out of their "cheating"

 

As I said in another post. You have already had ex-employees, government officials and probably a good-ass nosey reporter that has not unearth anything yet. 

30 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I appreciate the info, but I was more wondering about how they’re actually using the two TEs. They used to kill teams by using Gronk and Hernandez in 12 personnel packages and when the defense went heavy to counter that run threat, they’d go to the hurry up, flex one or both, and just kill slower LBs and smaller DBs all day. I just assumed that’s why they signed both TEs in free agency, but neither is a Gronk or Hernandez and Jones certainly isn’t Brady, I guess.  

 

Yes it's a little different with both scenario. You have a rookie QB so they are only given him so much responsibility. Their Oline has not been very good to run any scheme and both TEs aren't getting much separation from their defenders. Smith a little more than Hunter Henry.

[pocoboy]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

And why is that? did you look at the bucs offensive weapons compared to what Brady had his last year in NE or last year at all?

 

 

 

This is all hyperbole, there is no NE -based ESPN. There's just fans jealous and tired of hearing about the Pats. Like every sports show is full of hot takes and the  hosts saying something to get notice. Everyone show does it and every host does it in every sport... to just about every player. It's what sports shows are now a days. I am sure you are not complaining when GMFB hosts goes completely bat-sh*t crazy about the Bills

 

Bill called, he needs to you on the Pats message board ASAP. They're readying the annual pyre to Victor Kiam hoping that will turn the season around for once.

 

EDIT - Freakin thing...

 

 

Edited September 27, 2021 by pocoboy

[P Riv]

LMAO, Victor Kiam.... (Lisa Olsen, Patriot Missles).  🤣

Edited September 27, 2021 by P Riv

[TheFunPolice]

I am so locked in for this game you can't even imagine, although some of you probably remember my incoherent weekly meltdowns about the Patriots when Brady was there so it might not come as a surprise.

 

The Patriots were the sound in the middle of the night, the monster under the bed, the unknown terror lurking around every corner, the wet blanket on fun up and coming players and teams. Anything great anyone did never mattered, because Brady would throw 368 passes a game to Edelman, who would be wide open every time, and they would go 17 plays in 12:30 to score a TD. Rinse and repeat. Plus, NE cheated a lot and Belichick was always miserable. 

 

Put simply: For me, Brady and NE made football a lot less fun for a long time. Life was easy back then: NE=bad. 

 

But here we are... Evil vs Evil. Villian vs. Villian. Nightmare v Nightmare. 

 

And really, it's 100% a fair fight. Belichick made the choice to let Brady go almost 2 years ago now. Belichick has had 2 entire offseasons to retool the team to his liking. So, there is really no way to say "well, the Patriots aren't really up to the task" without that being 100% totally on Belichick. 

 

Thus, if Brady comes in and embarrasses NE in blowout fashion then it would be 100% proof that Brady > Belichick.

 

After all, this is truly Bill's team. This is his vision vs. the QB he didn't want 2 years ago. No excuses. 

 

Who will I root for? I honestly couldn't tell you. I won't actually know until I see the game. 

 

But my gut tells me that I would enjoy seeing Brady humiliated by Belichick's defense more than I would enjoy seeing Brady and Gronk run up the score in Ne and all of their "fans" cheering for Tampa over NE. 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2021 by TheFunPolice

[May Day 10]

I was always very strong in my belief that Belichick is > than Brady, and if you got Brady out of New England he would be ordinary, while the Patriots chug along into perpetuity, at least until Belichick ran out of souls to steal.

 

I was completely wrong, or at least would have to go into all sorts of gymnastics on how good the team is in Tampa, yadda yadda which I dont have the energy for.  Brady proved last year he is the Greatest ever (I loathe the acronym).  I have fought admitting it throughout his career, but it feels better to just deal with it.

 

 

Belichick will go down as the greatest coach of all time.  Even still.  You cannot take away the track record as well as the Championships (even counting SB XXV which he played a/the major role in as well as XXI).  He has been in some NFL coaching capacity now for almost 50 years which in of itself is rarified air.

 

He has quickly adapted, innovated, and stayed ahead of the curve through many junctures of the past 20 years and also found little wrinkles in the rulebook to use in his favor.  Amazing.    Honestly, having people dig through the trash for information is pretty intelligent.  He was very smart and ahead of the curve when it came to paying players their second and third contracts, being heady on what production/value the replacement would bring.  Granted, Brady made him look good a lot of his time, but you have to give Belichick a heck of a lot of credit too.  

 

 

As someone who consumes NFL history... I really love how Belichick seems to have a deep fondness/obsession/respect for the deep history of the sport, even pre-merger eras.  When he gets off script and provides insight/theories/history lesson on football it is absolutely captivating.  

 

 

I do wonder if the game/sport/minds/advanced stats and analysis have passed Belichick by a bit, at least with him playing the role of General Manager and assuming the level of control and bullheadedness I imagine he holds there.  He has floundered a bit as GM.  

Edited September 27, 2021 by May Day 10

[pocoboy]

2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Belichick will go down as the greatest coach of all time.  Even still.  You cannot take away the track record as well as the Championships (even counting SB XXV which he played a/the major role in as well as XXI).  He has been in some NFL coaching capacity now for almost 50 years which in of itself is rarified air.

 

 

 

He only will because the lapdogs in the media feed from his competitive intelligence trough. We've only seen the surface dinged with that Schefter news...

 

Just about any news leak comes from that shop. Mark it down...

Edited September 27, 2021 by pocoboy

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Actually they are bad. Very bad. And Boston sports radio sounds this morning like they are waking up to that fact. They are predicting an epic beatdown vs. "Tompa Bay" next Sunday.

 

Nice.  I'm going to start using "Tompa Boy" Buccaneers.  Thank You.

 

4 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

Love these knee-jerk reactions. It's like some people just started watching the NFL.

 

The past is the past.  This year is all that matters in football.

[Ghost_002!]

24 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

Bill called, he needs to you on the Pats message board ASAP. They're readying the annual pyre to Victor Kiam hoping that will turn the season around for once.

 

Bill called, he needs to you on the Pats message board ASAP. They're readying the annual pyre to Victor Kiam hoping that will turn the season around for once.

 

Bill called, he needs to you on the Pats message board ASAP. They're readying the annual pyre to Victor Kiam hoping that will turn the season around for once.

 

Bill called, he needs to you on the Pats message board ASAP. They're readying the annual pyre to Victor Kiam hoping that will turn the season around for once.

 

 

Yes, my favorite part....the " I have nothing to add" post. 

 

and you do not want me to start talking about the bills history do you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Sherlock Holmes]

20 hours ago, Beast said:

62-74 record without Brady as his starting QB.

 

The man is not what people say he is. 

You're being too kind Beast💩

[pocoboy]

17 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Yes, my favorite part....the " I have nothing to add" post. 

 

and you do not want me to start talking about the bills history do you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, you have all that great history to reminisce about with fellow Patriots fans. Why you'd be over here trolling a Bills forum should be something the moderators should take up with you...

Edited September 27, 2021 by pocoboy

[Ghost_002!]

27 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Nice.  I'm going to start using "Tompa Boy" Buccaneers.  Thank You.

 

 

The past is the past.  This year is all that matters in football.

 

 

?? I mean... what are we doing here??

 

Fans don't travel to other messages boards anymore?

 

Apparently u didn't know there are bills fans here that go to pats n other teams boards as well?

 

Anything else u got?

 

 

[pocoboy]

3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

?? I mean... what are we doing here??

 

Fans don't travel to other messages boards anymore?

 

Apparently u didn't know there are bills fans here that go to pats n other teams boards as well?

 

Anything else u got?

 

 

 

Nahh, replying to the wrong comment with half-intelligible jibberish on a rival's board reads like a job posting for being a Patriots fan. You're hired.

[Ghost_002!]

27 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

Nahh, replying to the wrong comment with half-intelligible jibberish on a rival's board reads like a job posting for being a Patriots fan. You're hired.

You clearly knew it was meant for you or you wouldn't of replied back. So mission accomplished. 

[DCofNC]

20 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

Great coach.   Bad GM.

 

That’s the truth.  They have missed so much it’s almost comical, but the scheme and Brady covered a lot for him.

2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Brady is the NFL’s equivalent to Michael Jordan. No one in their right mind would debate who was greater for the Bulls success, Phil Jackson or Michael Jordan and it’s the same situation here. The coach calls the plays, incorporates the schemes, but it’s on the players to execute. A coach’s greatness is directly influenced by who they have on the field/court. Belichick is a great coach, but take away his Brady years and he’s nowhere near the conversation for “greatest head coach of all time.” He needed arguably the greatest QB of all time to birth that legacy.

Phil was smart enough to not coach again without a stacked roster and some of the very best players ever on his roster.  Phil = way smarter than BB.

[nucci]

10 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

You clearly knew it was meant for you or you wouldn't of replied back. So mission accomplished. 

have

[pocoboy]

25 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

You clearly knew it was meant for you or you wouldn't of replied back. So mission accomplished. 

 

I know, intelligent & able to make quick decisions. In other words "Not Mac Jones."

[ColoradoBills]

48 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

?? I mean... what are we doing here??  Talking about BB and his input to the 1-2 record of the 2021 New England Patriots.

 

Fans don't travel to other messages boards anymore?  I don't.

 

Apparently u didn't know there are bills fans here that go to pats n other teams boards as well?  I don't care about that.

 

Anything else u got?  I'm looking forward to the Bills vs Texans game Sunday hoping for a win.  Are you looking forward to the Bucs vs Patriots?