BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 https://amp.palmbeachpost.com/amp/5530018001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://amp.palmbeachpost.com/amp/5530018001 Quote NFL Network's Mike Garafolo, who broke Sunday's news, said it's believed to be the first time in NFL history a player with four years left on his deal has received added money and guarantees. The network said Howard's deal includes a $1 million incentive for making All-Pro/the Pro Bowl, $2.5M in play-time incentives in ‘21, $600,000 in workout/per-game roster bonuses for ‘22 converted to his base salary and $6.775 million of ‘22 money guaranteed I don't know what to think of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't know what to think of this. I know and it ain't good. BUT - it is the phins...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 From what I've read on Pro Football Talk, it seems more like a "Howard save face deal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 To quote my favorite ex-Jet Bart Scott, Bills v Dolphins “Can’t Wait”! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) Edited August 8, 2021 by DJB 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't know what to think of this. Rents at all 'The Related Companies' properties just doubled. (Owned by Stephen M. Ross, Dolphins principal owner.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 It’s believed to be the first time in NFL history a player with four years left on his deal has received added money and guarantees. Well it certainly won't be the last.....................now. Thanks Dolphins. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Looks like a "there, there now" patronizing contract deal so he stops pouting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Fish gonna Fish. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Looks like a "there, there now" patronizing contract deal so he stops pouting. "Now just throw him the damn ball!" 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 I threw a tantrum like this before and didn’t get as much as a tootsie roll… I must be doing it wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 So...if he underperforms, should he give that money back 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Yeah, ***** him. I would have made him play and traded him the moment it hurt the cap the least. I wouldn’t want someone like that on my team. This is the kind of thing I was worried about for Diggs when we first traded for him and I’m very happy to be wrong 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Just another footnote in the logbook of the great culture they're building down there in Miami... When they go 7-10 this year, Flores likely doesn't survive into Year 4 New coach comes in with a new system, Tua struggles in his Year 3, and they look to draft someone else Lather, rinse, and repeat. Meanwhile, we go 20-0 in the '20's against them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, Virgil said: Yeah, ***** him. I would have made him play and traded him the moment it hurt the cap the least. I wouldn’t want someone like that on my team. This is the kind of thing I was worried about for Diggs when we first traded for him and I’m very happy to be wrong It's a bad precedent when owners let the tail wag the dog. I would hate to see the NFL end up like the NBA, where players dictate where they go and who they play with. There are obviously times when a player deserves more. But this particular situation is friggin' nuts. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) the real mistake was giving two "elite" free agents different large contracts at the same time. And Howard and Jones performance was so dissimilar. I worried about this when Smoke and Beasley were signed - but they were not really alpha deals and they both played well enough. I think this risk of pouting will predominantly be with alpha contracts. Belichik did it a bit better - he gave both his alpha TEs 12.5m per year deals. So right now things look kosher. But Smith has 31.25m guaranteed while Henry only has 25m. If Henry significantly outperforms Smith, we know what Henry should do. edit: they were not simultaneous - my bad - Howard was extended a year earlier. This capitulation to Howard's demand sets such a bad precedent. My wish about the Pats situation remains though. Edited August 8, 2021 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 We have been as stated above wagging the tail from above, but with respect. This is what makes this special. Small examples, we extend Tre, but ahead of the ding dongs and now is a great deal. Same with Dawkins. Same wit Milano. This team is so forward thinking and so many idiots on the national media don’t even consider Josh’s contract also includes his fourth and fifth year. Where do you think they backloaded that contract where the biggest hit happens when they are in the 2024 and beyond range when it absolutes explodes. They couldn’t have played this better and Josh knew it. He didn’t care. He was the second highest guy and knows he gets to keep and add the best moving forward. As much as Mahomes deal was genius so was this one. As one of the guys who shall be nameless on this board eloquently said (sounds like Bandher) BLLAAAAAAAHHHHH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 And this is after Howard basically was counting his teammate pockets and basically told him I'm better than you. This is why the Dolphins are the Dolphins. This was not about keeping Howard happy as much as it was about Flores and Grier keeping their job. So I don't want to hear nothing from Dolphins talking about they are still in rebuilding mode. If they were they could have got a nice haul for Howard to continue there 'rebuild' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) The real test for the Dolphins will be if anyone else on their team knocks on the GM's door and says now it's his turn to renegotiate his existing contract. Edited August 8, 2021 by Utah John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Makes sense. This is the target year for Miami to start to open the window. Where Playoffs are the floor and Division Title the ceiling. Everybody needs to be on the same page traveling in the same direction. Now…they have everyone onboard. Tua looks good to great in Camp. Confidence and energy and buy in are high. Time for them to go after it now without any nagging issues. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Makes sense. This is the target year for Miami to start to open the window. Where Playoffs are the floor and Division Title the ceiling. Everybody needs to be on the same page traveling in the same direction. Now…they have everyone onboard. Tua looks good to great in Camp. Confidence and energy and buy in are high. Time for them to go after it now without any nagging issues. If Howard goes full board and is a true locker room leader you might be correct. I don't know enough about the Phins locker room but I have a hard time believing he is that guy based on his whining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Most of what they have done is add guarantees. This was a sensible step. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 And I though Joe Cribbs was bad! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 3 hours ago, B-Man said: It’s believed to be the first time in NFL history a player with four years left on his deal has received added money and guarantees. Well it certainly won't be the last.....................now. Thanks Dolphins. Yes every team will be want to be fools like them. Lemmings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 The fish are JA17s B word. He owns them and I’m not worried about them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 39 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: If Howard goes full board and is a true locker room leader you might be correct. I don't know enough about the Phins locker room but I have a hard time believing he is that guy based on his whining. He is their type of leader - he leads in whining! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 That's a lot of money for a CB tandem that Josh destroys twice a year.😂😂😂😂 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Virgil said: This is the kind of thing I was worried about for Diggs when we first traded for him and I’m very happy to be wrong Sometimes WHAT you do (wanting more money) is not the problem as much HOW you do it (publicly vs behind closed doors). I think Diggs should be and will be taken care of with a new deal, and I’ll be that much happier to see it because he’s been a positive influence and a “process guy”. I too was a little concerned based upon reputation, but so far so good and I’m thrilled! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: If Howard goes full board and is a true locker room leader you might be correct. I don't know enough about the Phins locker room but I have a hard time believing he is that guy based on his whining. I don’t mind that athletes sometimes cut through all the romanticism and look at themselves truthfully. Solely as a product. No different then ketchup, gasoline or shaving cream. And each product has a cost/value in the market place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 11 hours ago, gjv said: From what I've read on Pro Football Talk, it seems more like a "Howard save face deal". Seems that way, can’t blame the Fins for really not giving up much to keep one of their best players happy. Howard got something but at least gets to say the organization values him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 11 hours ago, gjv said: From what I've read on Pro Football Talk, it seems more like a "Howard save face deal". While not a major move how is any increase with FOUR YEARS left on the contract not be considered an unequivocal victory for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 8 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Makes sense. This is the target year for Miami to start to open the window. Where Playoffs are the floor and Division Title the ceiling. Everybody needs to be on the same page traveling in the same direction. Now…they have everyone onboard. Tua looks good to great in Camp. Confidence and energy and buy in are high. Time for them to go after it now without any nagging issues. Good post. @Beast, you really should justify your sneering response. CBs are arguably more valuable than DEs in Today’s NFL (at least according to most analytics). 7 hours ago, Limeaid said: He is their type of leader - he leads in whining! Arguably one of the best CBs in the league last season. What’s your empirical argument? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cornerback-rankings-the-32-best-outside-cornerbacks-entering-the-2021-nfl-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Virgil said: Yeah, ***** him. I would have made him play and traded him the moment it hurt the cap the least. I wouldn’t want someone like that on my team. This is the kind of thing I was worried about for Diggs when we first traded for him and I’m very happy to be wrong You flipped my view of siding with Howard when all this started. The Van Noy getting cut and other similar cuts/trades, that Howard s plea made sense... and I agreed, then you left me on this boat alone 😆 WFT broooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 10 hours ago, Gugny said: It's a bad precedent when owners let the tail wag the dog. I would hate to see the NFL end up like the NBA, where players dictate where they go and who they play with. There are obviously times when a player deserves more. But this particular situation is friggin' nuts. I hope Josh burns his a$$ for 3 TD’s week two !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Cool, even less money when they inevitably re-enter the QB market in a year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 The Dolphins are amazing to me. They follow the same rebuilding plan as the Sabres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Good post. @Beast, you really should justify your sneering response. CBs are arguably more valuable than DEs in Today’s NFL (at least according to most analytics). Arguably one of the best CBs in the league last season. What’s your empirical argument? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cornerback-rankings-the-32-best-outside-cornerbacks-entering-the-2021-nfl-season What do you mean. my “sneering” response? That I thought Joe Cribbs was bad? Edited August 9, 2021 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Beast said: What do you mean. my “sneering” response? That I thought Joe Cribbs was bad? I thought you were laughing at the poster for saying that the restructuring of Howard's contract made sense. Howard is a really good player at a key position! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 16 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Good post. @Beast, you really should justify your sneering response. CBs are arguably more valuable than DEs in Today’s NFL (at least according to most analytics). Arguably one of the best CBs in the league last season. What’s your empirical argument? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cornerback-rankings-the-32-best-outside-cornerbacks-entering-the-2021-nfl-season I read that list, for me it lost any credibility after the first 10, he claims Richard Sherman is the 11th best CB in the NFL, what a joke. On 8/8/2021 at 1:11 PM, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Makes sense. This is the target year for Miami to start to open the window. Where Playoffs are the floor and Division Title the ceiling. Everybody needs to be on the same page traveling in the same direction. Now…they have everyone onboard. Tua looks good to great in Camp. Confidence and energy and buy in are high. Time for them to go after it now without any nagging issues. Is this sarcasm or has Tua in fact looked "good to great"? I am firmly in the camp that Tua will be at best a mediocre NFL starting NFL qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts