Punching Bag Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-draft-marquee-rookies-who-need-a-redshirt-year-with-trey-lance-and-gregory-rousseau-leading-way/ Clearly CBS opinion writer "Chris Trapasso" including him on his list of players needing "redshirt" years is colored by his mock draft. On a team which did not rotate defense line as much as Bills did it would be different. Quote Rousseau was a fourth-round prospect on my board, and the Bills picked him at No. 30 overall. Why was I so low on the Miami rusher who recorded 15.5 sacks as a redshirt freshman in 2019? Despite freaky length, I didn't see high-end pass-rushing traits -- minimal sustained speed, bad power due to height, and almost nonexistent hand work. And much of the production wasn't due to one-on-one victories. I certainly would not have picked him for I dislike teams even drafting juniors but I do not see why Bills would not use him in a rotation without an injury in camp putting him on IR. Bills can choose to put him in situations where he will able to contribute and get real snaps to learn. And I disagree with his assessment of his production which he does not say but means sacks. [NOTE: I do think NFL should continue with IR policy of last year. Players were kept who would have been released with injury designations in other years.] 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 I was not a huge fan of taking Gregg Rousseau with our 30th pick , now I’m not going to sit here and say that Rousseau will be our next Bruce Smith , But I sure as hell trust Bean and his entire scouting team who have been working & doing their homework for almost a year then I do some CBS writer , 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-draft-marquee-rookies-who-need-a-redshirt-year-with-trey-lance-and-gregory-rousseau-leading-way/ Clearly CBS opinion writer "Chris Trapasso" including him on his list of players needing "redshirt" years is colored by his mock draft. On a team which did not rotate defense line as much as Bills did it would be different. I certainly would not have picked him for I dislike teams even drafting juniors but I do not see why Bills would not use him in a rotation without an injury in camp putting him on IR. Bills can choose to put him in situations where he will able to contribute and get real snaps to learn. And I disagree with his assessment of his production which he does not say but means sacks. [NOTE: I do think NFL should continue with IR policy of last year. Players were kept who would have been released with injury designations in other years.] He will learn by PLAYING! This guy has only been a DE for a little while. He’s been a DB and WR for goodness sake! No “redshirting”, he did that last year. Put him in when the situation warrants. I keep hearing he doesn’t have the “skills” or “traits”, but what he DID have was 15.5 sacks! P.S. - I refused to click. I had seen enough. . . Edited May 15, 2021 by Augie 3 1 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Not a chance. He'll be a rotation guy, and I could see him becoming more of a "regular" as the season progresses. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) I think QB is the only position where a redshirt year was considered normal, but over the past decade starting a rookie QB day one has become the expectation. If a DE can't be rotated in on pass rushing situations after being taken in the first round (barring injury) then something is wrong. Rousseau may have only played one full year in college, but that's exactly why he needs more reps. There's only so much you can learn on the practice field and in the film room. If Josh Allen hadn't been thrown into the fire year one, I don't think he would be where he is right now. Rookies are valuable because they are young and cheaper than free agents. I would rather put a guy out there who will make mistakes at times than a veteran who is past his prime and won't be here next season. I believe the trio of Rousseau, Basham, and Epenesa will be getting the majority of the reps by mid-season over Hughes/Addison/Odaba (if we even keep all three) Edited May 15, 2021 by Allen2Diggs 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Punching Bag Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 I was thinking of posting a Star Trek red shirt image myself. Paramount even changed command shirts to red in answer to fans asking if red shirts meant disposable characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 A fourth round prospect? LOL! 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Let’s see how much Bruce can teach him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Hard to say since he hasn't played for a year, difficult to know how he's developed since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 As they say in basketball you can't teach height it is a given. And you can't teach desire or measure it. They still say the same things about Josh. How many mvp votes did he get last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 Not enough votes in my opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 27 minutes ago, scuba guy said: As they say in basketball you can't teach height it is a given. And you can't teach desire or measure it. They still say the same things about Josh. How many mvp votes did he get last year but he needed a redshirt year...Josh needed 2 years to get up to speed. DE is tough and it will take time to learn the correct moves and how to use his hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 No, see Epenesa last year. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Do we need an answer today? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Absolutely no way. Completely ridiculous to think Rousseau needs a red shirt year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 He needs to play, work on his craft and improve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Florida Bills Fanatic Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Putin said: I was not a huge fan of taking Gregg Rousseau with our 30th pick , now I’m not going to sit here and say that Rousseau will be our next Bruce Smith , But I sure as hell trust Bean and his entire scouting team who have been working & doing their homework for almost a year then I do some CBS writer , I agree with you. Having watched several of the Miami games from 2019, he was pretty impressive. Whether or not he is up to the rigors of an NFL schedule remains to be seen. I believe his snap count and rotation will reflect his physical readiness to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: He needs to play, work on his craft and improve. Wait, that’s what I said, but you disagreed. Am I missing something? I say let him get reps preseason and in every situation that makes sense when the bullets fly for real. His ceiling is TBD. He is.....”different”, in a good way I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Ridiculous. You don't sit a 1st round D pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Redshirt him then cut him. I’ve already seen enough. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Redshirt him then cut him. I’ve already seen enough. Bust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 50 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Put on a red shirt or suit up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUBSTER Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Success said: Not a chance. He'll be a rotation guy, and I could see him becoming more of a "regular" as the season progresses. That does seem to be the "M.O." for McDermott when dealing with his younger lineman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Limeaid said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-draft-marquee-rookies-who-need-a-redshirt-year-with-trey-lance-and-gregory-rousseau-leading-way/ Clearly CBS opinion writer "Chris Trapasso" including him on his list of players needing "redshirt" years is colored by his mock draft. On a team which did not rotate defense line as much as Bills did it would be different. I certainly would not have picked him for I dislike teams even drafting juniors but I do not see why Bills would not use him in a rotation without an injury in camp putting him on IR. Bills can choose to put him in situations where he will able to contribute and get real snaps to learn. And I disagree with his assessment of his production which he does not say but means sacks. [NOTE: I do think NFL should continue with IR policy of last year. Players were kept who would have been released with injury designations in other years.] Why is sitting on the bench going to speed up his growth. The dude had 15sacks in his first year EVER at def end. He's as raw as it gets, missed last year. Start him slow and his playing time should pick up mid-season. This is a really dumb take if you ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I can see Rousseau getting about 30-35% reps by season end. He is raw and a year out, but by week 10 or so, no reason to not count on him in the DE rotation. I wasn't thrilled with the pick, but he is a Bill now and I want him to succeed. His good comps are a Cam Wakefield type player. That would be aok with me. Boogie Basham will probably see more snaps early, he is more polished, but I can see Rousseau getting snaps due to injury or fatigue by Addison and Hughes by the season end. The bye week is in week 7, very early in a 17 game season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 He'll be a role player in his first year, and the size of his role will be adjusted by what he can do on the field. AJ Epenesa had much the same experience last year. As he adjusted to the pro game and learned some things, his role grew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I see many of the same concerns, but at the same time, he seems to close very quickly putting it into a gear he doesn't look like he has. Then once he's near you, with that frame, it's over. Really not all that different than Epenesa in the sense that I don't we see him as ready at the start of the year, but by middle, late, he very well could be contributing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Beane vs. Trapasso. Hmmmm, who to trust on football talent? Really tough call. I'll have to ponder this one tonight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Putin said: I was not a huge fan of taking Gregg Rousseau with our 30th pick , now I’m not going to sit here and say that Rousseau will be our next Bruce Smith , But I sure as hell trust Bean and his entire scouting team who have been working & doing their homework for almost a year then I do some CBS writer , I like Rousseau and think he has a lot of talent. With that said, I can understand where some people might have trust issues with Beane. There is no doubt Beane and company can evaluate QBs, CBs, WRs, OLs, K, and maybe a few others. But the jury is still out on RBs, DEs, and DTs. We have gone through drafts and FAs, and it’s still a weak point on our team. Overall I trust Beane and McD, so I hope they can hit on those positions as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo619 said: Didn't this guy opt out of last season. That flaw alone should have been a huge STOP sign. I was surprised they picked him at 30, let’s hope the risk pays off. But why though? His mother is a healthcare worker and he probably felt this was his way to help alleviate a global problem seeming how I’m sure his mother dealt with the agony and pain head on. I can’t fault people for trying to help reduce the spread of a serious illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) Can we stop over analyzing our draft picks before they hit the field? Geezus, it’s like never ending stuff around here by people who don’t like the pick. Let this kid get on the field. He played DE one year and he had mostly better stats across the board than Chase Young did that same year outside of one less sack. He clearly had potential, just like anyone we would have picked at 30. There is no such thing as a “sure thing” in any draft in any sport, and it’s even way less likely when picking at the bottom of the first. And why were we picking at the end of the first? Because Beane and McD clearly know something about football and built a powerhouse in 3 years. So let the kid play and see what our staff saw in him for him to be their target the whole time. Edited May 16, 2021 by Alphadawg7 3 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Beane vs. Trapasso. Hmmmm, who to trust on football talent? Really tough call. I'll have to ponder this one tonight. If Trapasso had our 1st rounder as a 4th rounder on his board, he needs to stop drawing up a draft board. Years ago I used to draw up my own draft board. After I "drafted" JP Losman with pick 13 in 2004 and had Tom Brady on what I called "The Bust Board" in 2000, I reaiized it was time for me to just stop making a draft board. It's getting time for Trapasso to come to the same concluson. Here's something I found from Trapasso from 2018: Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso Because QB prospects are apparently the talk of today. A reminder of my current rankings: Mason Rudolph [small space] Lamar Jackson [one prospect] Josh Rosen [small space] Sam Darnold [sizable space] Baker Mayfield [two rounds] Josh Allen 2:33 PM · Feb 19, 2018·Twitter for iPhone Edited May 16, 2021 by Albany,n.y. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 There were guys who dressed at De on game day for there special teams ability. They got in rotation. At worst Rousseau is a massive upgrade over them. I think he has a chance to push Addison, and Epenesa for ligitament playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Trogdor said: but he needed a redshirt year...Josh needed 2 years to get up to speed. DE is tough and it will take time to learn the correct moves and how to use his hands. Yeah, Josh would have gotten a redshirt year if not for the problems at QB. But DE and QB are wildly different positions. QB is immenself cerebral. DE also has stuff guys have to know, but nothing like QB. Redshirt years make sense in some situations with some guys but much more so at QB than DE. You don't see many platoon quarterbacks other than a guy like Taysom Hill in his earlier years when he was the running QB. The article's wacky. He might need a slow start if the coaches think so, but certainly not a redshirt year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I don't want to beat up Trapasso too much because I also see Rousseau as a long-term project. But I think its odd he's so critical of Rousseau's game tape and says Rousseau didn't win one-on-one battles. Trapasso never explains how Rousseau was so damned productive if he was so poorly skilled. It seems to me Trapasso clearly saw Roussea's shortcomings but is blind to his strengths. I knew next to nothing about Rousseau when we picked him so I quickly got on Youtube and watched some highlights. What I saw was a raw, tall, gangly kid. But I also saw a young player who was clearly more athletic than the guys trying to block him. Roussea earned his sacks & pressures every way possible: by speed, by power, by persistence. I thought Rousseau's unpolished skill set was understandable given his youth and newness to the position. In 2017, he was a high school safety and WR. In 2019, he was terrorizing college QBs playing on the defensive line. His rawness didn't bother me at all under the circumstances. What did bother me was Rousseau's disappointing pro day numbers. Normally, I'd expect a 1st rounder to excel both on the playing and the practice field. I'm not sure Rousseau possesses - right now - the strength and agility to excel in the NFL. But he's just 21 and took a year off for Covid so its hard to tell how much stronger and better he can become. In the end, I agree with what others have said: I trust Beane and our scouts more than I trust Trapasso. And I can't imagine McD not giving Rousseau reps in the rotation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 He will get about 15 snaps a game in obvious pass rush situations for the first four games. If he shows promise he will get more snaps. The question will be will that be at the expense of Epenesa or Addison? My hunch is Addison is a healthy scratch after the bye week and they go with the young guys. Addison might make a playoff return because McD will want a veteran presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) If you read the article, what Trapasso meant by a redshirt year for Rousseau is a year similar to what Epenesa had, i.e., very limited playing time at the beginning of the season and maybe only a couple of games where he plays 30 snaps at the end of the season. I hope he plays a bigger role than that, but nothing to be outraged about. Edited May 16, 2021 by Billy Claude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 10 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: But I’m given it all I can captain. Scotty, if we don’t have warp drive in two minutes, you’re fired. Ayy Captain, maybe we can get a wee bit more out of her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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