Allen had 21 dropped interceptions last year

[Rk_Bills86]

I mean - by this could have/ would have logic - the Bills had 2 dropped TDs against KC the first time around and probably win the game if they connect. 

 

Also - Allen had an INT added to his total that simply wasn't.... (The Rams game debacle) 

[John from Riverside]

Josh Allen throws the ball so hard we are lucky that OUR guys catch the balls......much less a opponent

[Warcodered]

37 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Josh Allen throws the ball so hard we are lucky that OUR guys catch the balls......much less a opponent

If he threw them any harder he'd have to throw them the day after so they could travel back in time to game day.

[Old Coot]

I like Josh Allen but he still has work to do on his accuracy and decision-making.  Compared to the cut ups of Mahomes' dropped interceptions, Mahomes was more accurate.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

This account is run by Cian Fahey. He is known for having really out there takes about QBs. He hated Mahomes and Allen coming out so it's no surprise he posted a thread that tried to make them look worse than they really are. 

 

There are bad takes and then there are straight out stupidly insane takes.

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

Dropped passes weather dropped by a WR or a CB has a wide range of what people actually call a drop.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 hours ago, Mango said:

Allen can get away with a lot because of the velocity he puts on the ball. Some of that is good. Some of that it not so good. His fast ball is tough to catch, especially if you’re a defender not planning on catching it. 

 

I would like to see the full data set. His company isn’t bad. Just curious if this is a stat line that anybody should be paying attention to historically. Not for Allen, just curious in general. 

 

Allen's company here is very good. 

 

And I seem to remember on more then one occasion QB evaluators talking about the single biggest difference between great college and pro QB's is the willingness to throw the ball when the WR doesn't look open. College QB's wait to see separation. Elite NFL QB's put the ball in very tight places.  Like "almost" interception tight spaces.

 

I suspect that this stat actually demonstrates just how elite Allen really is. 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, teef said:

Neat. 

Its how I take my whiskey.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Josh Allen throws the ball so hard we are lucky that OUR guys catch the balls......much less a opponent

 

LOL Tre' White was asked on some podcast if he tried to intercept Josh and he was emphatic, No Way, he didn't want broken fingers!  Deflection only!

[eball]

I feel dumber for having opened this thread. 

[Matt_In_NH]

Some of those drops were not getting caught, period.  But the same argument was made by Bills fans during Allen's first two years, ball hit your hands means you should catch it.  That is an oversimplification that is often true but not always.   The difficultly of some of those would be interceptions is quite high.   Was he fortunate last year with dropped INT's?  If 5 of those are converted to INT's does that mean he sucks?  No not in my eyes.   Is there still room for improvement, yes there is and I think he will move into that space.

Can we take the INT in the Rams game off the boards since we are rewriting history?

[Captain Caveman]

That's why DBs are DBs and not WRs, right?

[JESSEFEFFER]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Some of the dropped INTs from the video they posted really shouldn't be considered dropped INTs. Some of them were either contested plays or no chance of an INT. Not really sure what their criteria is. 

 

Some were right in the Dbs hands. Allen is going to have these plays because he believes in his arm too often. But I wouldn't have him change a thing. There's more good than bad. 

 

 

 

Last year QBDataMine put out a video compilation to justify their rating of Josh as having the worst accuracy.  I started a thread on it because of the 20 or so throws, 7 to 9 of them were balls that were tipped or his arm was hit prior to release.   I thought it was sloppy work and/or spoke of some sort of agenda.  Some then brought up Cian Fahey as the source of it and labeled him "the worst."  So, these "dropped interceptions" seem unsurprisingly consistent with his reputation.

[Coffeesforclosers]

That "dropped INTs" video is pretty much the Golden Calf of Dolphins fans.  It's been doing the rounds on Finheaven for weeks now, and they're all desperate for proof that last year was a fluke.  There's a few clear heads over there, but oh Lord do they want to believe 2021 JA will go back to being 2018 JA.  

[TBBills]

Anyone know the total number of dropped INT's last year for the league?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

11 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 

Last year QBDataMine put out a video compilation to justify their rating of Josh as having the worst accuracy.  I started a thread on it because of the 20 or so throws, 7 to 9 of them were balls that were tipped or his arm was hit prior to release.   I thought it was sloppy work and/or spoke of some sort of agenda.  Some then brought up Cian Fahey as the source of it and labeled him "the worst."  So, these "dropped interceptions" seem unsurprisingly consistent with his reputation.

Is it Cian? He hates Allen. 

[Blank Stare]

11 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

That "dropped INTs" video is pretty much the Golden Calf of Dolphins fans.  It's been doing the rounds on Finheaven for weeks now, and they're all desperate for proof that last year was a fluke.  There's a few clear heads over there, but oh Lord do they want to believe 2021 JA will go back to being 2018 JA.  

And he’d still make the Dolphins look silly. He owns them statistically. 

[Scott7975]

Seems they use the "dropped int stat" way more loose than a dropped pass.

[JESSEFEFFER]

11 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

That "dropped INTs" video is pretty much the Golden Calf of Dolphins fans.  It's been doing the rounds on Finheaven for weeks now, and they're all desperate for proof that last year was a fluke.  There's a few clear heads over there, but oh Lord do they want to believe 2021 JA will go back to being 2018 JA.  

 

Considering what Josh has done vs. the Dolphins in his career, their fans should speak his name with hushed tones.

 

 

[78thealltimegreat]

10 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

https://twitter.com/qbdatamine/status/1359940049756946434?s=21

Tom Brady actually threw three INT in the second half against Green Bay and the Bucs still won...no risk no reward 

Edited April 18, 2021 by 78thealltimegreat

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

If the other top QB's all had around 10, I'd be worried, but many others were all in upper teens, so not much different

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

These kind of balls Josh throws are hard to pick.

 

 

Edited April 18, 2021 by 1st Ammendment NoMas

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Only skimmed the first couple pages but I wonder if dropped interceptions correlate with pass attempts?

 

So 4 of the top 5 in dropped interceptions were in the top 6 in pass attempts (brees being the one that isn't in the top 6)

 

Edit: The dropped interceptions stat would need to become a percentage of passes because its obvious that a QB who throws the ball more will have more 

 

Edit 2: looking at the Twitter looks like the non percentage tweets were to strictly drum up clicks/likes/retweets

Edited April 18, 2021 by Cheektowaga Chad

[Richard Noggin]

Is it okay to admit that most of the plays highlighted early on in the linked video are in fact highly-interceptable throws? Roughly 8 or 9 of them.

 

Then, beginning around 1:20 with the Colts game highlight, we get mostly contested balls, passes defensed, or miscues that don't exactly hit a waiting defender's hands. Definitely still another pass or two that coulda/shoulda been picked, but mostly just unsuccessful throws. 

 

My hasty tally for the highlight package is something like 9-5, interceptable-to-simply-incomplete throws. 

 

Allen absolutely holds the ball too long at times, eventually throwing ill-advised, telegraphed gifts at a target he's been staring down. Then again, that's how we also get those toe-drag swag plays from Gabriel Davis in the playoffs against the Colts, for example. Gotta take the good-to-great with the bad. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

15 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

If they were not caught they were not interceptions.

[1ManRaid]

Oh boy, I love these subjective zero context stats haters dig up.  On top of most of those not even being actual drops, Josh's arm-cannon play style naturally lends itself to higher occurrences of "near misses" being able to fire the ball through narrow windows and the defender actually has little to no chance to actually make a real play on it.

 

The epitome of a useless stat and great example of "There's three types of lies.  Lies, damned lies, and statistics".

[Chandler#81]

3 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Is it okay to admit that most of the plays highlighted early on in the linked video are in fact highly-interceptable throws? Roughly 8 or 9 of them.

Then, beginning around 1:20 with the Colts game highlight, we get mostly contested balls, passes defensed, or 

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH....

No. It’s NOT ok.

 

Turn in your fan card.

[GunnerBill]

I counted 6 dropped interceptions on that video and then a whole lotta passes defensed. Every time a defender gets his hands on the ball it is not an interception chance. 

[mannc]

If we’re gonna play this game, then we gotta also count every dropped pass by his receivers.  Knox alone would make a pretty long highlight reel.  JA might have had a 6000 yard season...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

[DCofNC]

Yeah.. didn’t go digging for the Allen video, but counted 8 of 19 that were really drops from Maholmes.  I think we all forget, half the reason guys play DB is they can’t catch.    Pass break ups, hitting a D lineman etc, bull crap stat.

[Jpsredemption]

Do they show all 21?

[Philly McButterpants]

51 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

Do they show all 21?

I counted 14 on the clip, so - no.  

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Jpsredemption said:

Do they show all 21?

My guess is the ones they didn't show involved fans dropping throw away passes into the stands.

 

As I said earlier, this stat however poorly measured, is likely a sign that Allen is an elite QB.  What distinguishes exceptional NFL QB's from great college QB's is putting the ball in very tight places.  They look like they could be picked off but they seldom are.  And a lot of them are completed resulting in highlight reel plays.

 

[JimBob2232]

Hard to tell - but I know Josh also took a ton of chances when there was a defensive penalty like off sides.  Not sure if those "free plays" are part of this or not.  I really liked his awareness on the field to take a shot on those plays.  Not something ive seen from bills QBs over the last 20 years.

[MrSarcasm]

Funny how you never here this reversed- dropped TDs or on the defensive side CBS or Safteys that drop sure picks... wonder why?

[without a drought]

You should see the number of missed sacks he has taken also.

 

[78thealltimegreat]

15 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Is it okay to admit that most of the plays highlighted early on in the linked video are in fact highly-interceptable throws? Roughly 8 or 9 of them.

 

Then, beginning around 1:20 with the Colts game highlight, we get mostly contested balls, passes defensed, or miscues that don't exactly hit a waiting defender's hands. Definitely still another pass or two that coulda/shoulda been picked, but mostly just unsuccessful throws. 

 

My hasty tally for the highlight package is something like 9-5, interceptable-to-simply-incomplete throws. 

 

Allen absolutely holds the ball too long at times, eventually throwing ill-advised, telegraphed gifts at a target he's been staring down. Then again, that's how we also get those toe-drag swag plays from Gabriel Davis in the playoffs against the Colts, for example. Gotta take the good-to-great with the bad. 

Doubt you would have picked them off either 

[haroldwaide]

Close to half of those throws cane on 3rd down where toy either make a play or turn the ball over anyway so why not take a chance?  Really misleading stat to be honest.