Darnold to the Panthers

[mannc]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Physically he's got it. He's a great playmaker from the quarterback position

 

But the Jets are a dumpster fire and they will ruin just about anybody. I would even be scared for Trevor Lawrence going there 

 

Wilson would have been perfect in Carolina, San Francisco, New Orleans... Jets ... Eh , good luck 

 

He plays like he's Josh Allen, or rodgers , but it doesn't have the body for that to hold up in the NFL.. even Rogers has 25- 30 lb on him 

 

He's going to have to adapt his game for the NFL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fair enough.  I just don't buy the notion that a QB like Darnold or Wilson can be "ruined" by the team that drafts them.  And I also think the Jets are turning the corner and will no longer be a laughing stock, starting with this year... 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Yeah.  I was fully expecting the Jets to trade Sam Darnold and take a QB at 32, so that wasn't surprising.

What surprises me, is that Carolina was sitting at #8 and decided to make this move before seeing which QBs were available at their pick.

 

Everyone knows Trevor Lawrence is going #1.  The odds are heavily in favor of Zach Wilson at #2.

After that, we know San Francisco is taking a QB.  But nobody has a clue which one.  I've seen solid arguments for all three (Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones), and any hints from the 49ers could easily be them blowing a smokescreen.

 

To me, the smart money for Carolina was to wait until draft night and see who drops to #8.  So by making the quick move for Darnold, that tells me that either:

A)  The Panthers were not comfortable with drafting any of the QBs outside of Lawrence and Wilson.

B)  They are pretty confident none of the QBs will drop to them at #8, and the price was too high to move up.

 

Probably B.

Prices was too steep to move up and at 8 they can get a WR, Pitts, Surtain, or one of the two top tackles.  Even better if one of the QB's does fall they can trade back to 15 if New England wants to jump ahead of Denver for a QB.   Maybe they trick Denver into giving up a third round pick to move from 9 to 8 just to ensure they get a QB.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Exactly lol it was Benjamin, Zay Jones, and Clay + a geriatric Lesean McCoy and a below average Line protecting him, but anyone worth his salt knew Allen was the future especially after the last few games on the schedule. 

 

Hell, the staff didn't know he was going to start before the first half of the first game. With no off-season and being super raw, he still put up a respectable seasons and showed huge flashes.

 

Cowherd is a clown.

 

The 2018 Allen season was such a poor offense.  They had traded a considerable amount of talented players for the picks needed to acquire Allen, and their big free agent acquisitions were Murphy and Star.  Offensive line had many starts by the likes of ducasse, miller, bodine, and mills. 

 

Offense scored fewer than 14 points 8 times.  Petermans baltimore/chicago games and 2 derek anderson starts were 4 of those 8.  I think people that complained about his accuracy/inconsistency needed to watch other QBs perform with that terrible offense.  After the Bears game, they started giving snaps to some different players like mckenzie and foster and eventually just dumped benjamin/holmes entirely and you saw a bit more of what allen was capable of.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Time for Panthers to deal McCaffrey to us since we drove Darnolds stock down... 

I also have to change my underwear since I thought maybe the Jets return would include him💩

Edited April 5, 2021 by Sherlock Holmes

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, mannc said:

Fair enough.  I just don't buy the notion that a QB like Darnold or Wilson can be "ruined" by the team that drafts them.  And I also think the Jets are turning the corner and will no longer be a laughing stock, starting with this year... 

We will see .. and yes the Jets absolutely ruined Darnold , and many talented quarterbacks have been ruined... David Carr was twice the quarterback of his brother... And Derek's on a 10 year good career... David just got ruined by a expansion franchise

 

If he(Darnold) came to the bills he would be a really good quarterback. Maybe not at the tier Allen's at now, but that's because Allen had a higher ceiling

 

But Donald absolutely got ruined in New York 

 

And by all accounts the bills did have darnold number one and Josh Allen number 2 on their board

 

The fate of many players careers rest on where they go on draft night. Every single player from the first pick to last undrafted free agent is extremely talented 

 

It's always circumstances

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by Buffalo716

[ColoradoBills]

Well the vast majority of this board wanted Sam Darnold/Josh Rosen on that famous draft night after everyone knew Baker was CLE bound.

 

Thank your lucky stars for Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott.

[Doc Brown]

With the 1st pick in the 2022 NFL draft the Panthers select...

[MJS]

8 minutes ago, mannc said:

Fair enough.  I just don't buy the notion that a QB like Darnold or Wilson can be "ruined" by the team that drafts them.  And I also think the Jets are turning the corner and will no longer be a laughing stock, starting with this year... 

They haven't played a game and already they are turning the corner?

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

They haven't played a game and already they are turning the corner?

This is finally their year! 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Well the vast majority of this board wanted Sam Darnold/Josh Rosen on that famous draft night after everyone knew Baker was CLE bound.

 

Thank your lucky stars for Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott.

 

This is painfully true. Then you had the 10% who wanted Jackson.

 

I actually initially liked Allen at first. He just looked like what a prototype QB should look like, but then I got brainwashed by everyone else and changed my opinion. Now I always go with my gut.

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Prove it.

 He’s got zero elite traits.

It's not up to me to prove it. Easy to play Monday morning analyst knowing what we see now. Most had him ranked over Josh and some even over Baker. His draft profile was considered "Starter ready with Pro Bowl potential. Do you really think Josh would be the stud he is if drafted by the Jests with that coaching and front office?

[LABILLBACKER]

It's all lined up. He's on our farm system team now. And in a couple years he can backup Josh when Trubisky is gone. 

[GETTOTHE50]

The Jets made a mistake trading him away. Yea he stinks, but he is still more talented than the kid from BYU. this trade doesn’t look bad if they draft fields. 

I hope they draft the BYU guy though, so we can count in 2 more BYE weeks. 

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by GETTOTHE50

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

Fair enough.  I just don't buy the notion that a QB like Darnold or Wilson can be "ruined" by the team that drafts them.  And I also think the Jets are turning the corner and will no longer be a laughing stock, starting with this year... 

 

I dunno - its tough to go from 2-14 to good in a year.  Their offensive line is still poor, they have no running backs, and their WR core is pretty similar to a year ago.  One QB isn't going to flip them from worst offense in the league to... reasonably poor.  Davis will help, i thought mims looked alright at times, crowder and cole are fine.  The biggest help to a young QB is top tier weapons, or a run game.  They have neither.

 

Oh, and their defense was bad last year and they're pretty much running it back with carl lawson and rankins.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[jamiezzz]

I don't look at other teams message boards very much, but I'm curious what they think of the departure of Darnold.  We all know, at least in my opinion, it's the Jet's MGMT being the Jet's MGMT.  Curious if the majority blame him, or the MGMT.

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Age: 29, right in his prime, so not an issue.

Potential: Took his team to the NFC Championship last time he played a whole season.

Contract: $25M/year isnt that bad for a starting/franchise QB. Plus can be renegotiated to a new, long term deal to bring that down a little.

 

I'm not a huge Jimmy G fan, but I dont get why folks completely write him off around here.

 

Why is San Fran hell bent on getting rid of him then?

 

What they gave up to get to #3 is all you need to know.

[LABILLBACKER]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

We will see .. and yes the Jets absolutely ruined Darnold , and many talented quarterbacks have been ruined... David Carr was twice the quarterback of his brother... And Derek's on a 10 year good career... David just got ruined by a expansion franchise

 

If he(Darnold) came to the bills he would be a really good quarterback. Maybe not at the tier Allen's at now, but that's because Allen had a higher ceiling

 

But Donald absolutely got ruined in New York 

 

And by all accounts the bills did have darnold number one and Josh Allen number 2 on their board

 

The fate of many players careers rest on where they go on draft night. Every single player from the first pick to last undrafted free agent is extremely talented 

 

It's always circumstances

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more.  Darnold was absolutely screwed with the Jets organization.  Gase was a complete and utter embarrassment.  The GM & ownership did nothing to help him. Is Darnold a top 12 qb. No....but he's hardly the train wreck some like to convince themselves. It wouldn't shock me to see Sam as a backup in Buffalo someday. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, jamiezzz said:

I don't look at other teams message boards very much, but I'm curious what they think of the departure of Darnold.  We all know, at least in my opinion, it's the Jet's MGMT being the Jet's MGMT.  Curious if the majority blame him, or the MGMT.

 

I'd have done it.  You aren't extending him (or picking up the 5th year option) so the value (while damaged) is as high as it gets.  

 

I wouldn't say its entirely his fault.  High expectations were put on him in 2019 after their spending spree and he got mono.  The team construction was flawed, and Gase is not a good coach.

 

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Couldn't agree more.  Darnold was absolutely screwed with the Jets organization.  Gase was a complete and utter embarrassment.  The GM & ownership did nothing to help him. Is Darnold a top 12 qb. No....but he's hardly the train wreck some like to convince themselves. It wouldn't shock me to see Sam as a backup in Buffalo someday. 

 

He's gotta start for the bears first 😉

[longtimebillsfan]

1 hour ago, The Governor said:

That’s great for the Panthers.

It should be better for Darnold as well.   Getting away from the New York Media will help.

[Logic]

Darnold is 100% gonna turn his career around now that he has good coaching and a supporting cast.

We will have seen both the Dolphins AND Jets trade away good quarterbacks that were ruined/wasted by Adam Gase, only to see said quarterbacks become quality starters elsewhere.

Ya hate to see it, but then again.....ya love to see it.

[Real McClappy]

The best part is yet to come when Darnold become Tannehill+ without Head Gase for the Panthers.

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, Virgil said:

This is a very interesting trade to me.  
 

First, the value the Jets got for him shows me the market wasn’t there.  Not getting a 2nd until next year is rough.  I’m personally surprised Darnold is being written off by so many, but I get it. 
 

Second, while the Panthers gave up draft capitol, I wonder if they are out of the QB race in this years draft.  
 

I agree that they didn't get a huge return for Darnold. That said, why would they in a draft with just so many QBs and the #2 pick? 

 

Are the Panthers out of the QB race? I would say 99% chance yes, in terms of the apparent top 5. Would they take Mond from Texas A&M if he is there in the 2nd round? Maybe. I think that it would be a smart move (and btw an OK move by the Bills imho).

 

I am probably going against the grain, but I think that the Panthers got the best of this deal by far.

 

As always, jmo.

Edited April 6, 2021 by Bill from NYC

[Real McClappy]

2 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

It should be better for Darnold as well.   Getting away from the New York Media will help.

Getting away from that dumpster fire previous coaching staff with zero WRs, RBs or Oline alone will help tremendously. 

[Rico]

2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

1999

 

Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/1971

 

1971 too.

Jim Plunkett

Archie Gump

Dan Pastorini

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Does this mean — when or if Sam doesn’t last in Charlotte........

 

Does Buffalo pick him up?

[Beast]

Is there a happier man on the planet than Sam Darnold?

[MrSarcasm]

I wonder if McDermott put this trade together,  knowing that he can only have expanthers and wanted Darnold as the backup in a couple of years. 

 

4D chess.

[Solomon Grundy]

19 minutes ago, Logic said:

Darnold is 100% gonna turn his career around now that he has good coaching and a supporting cast.

We will have seen both the Dolphins AND Jets trade away good quarterbacks that were ruined/wasted by Adam Gase, only to see said quarterbacks become quality starters elsewhere.

Ya hate to see it, but then again.....ya love to see it.

Just glad it’s gonna happen in the NFC

7 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

I wonder if McDermott put this trade together,  knowing that he can only have expanthers and wanted Darnold as the backup in a couple of years. 

 

4D chess.

Josh and Sam are buddies 🤔

[Putin]

2 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said:

poor robby anderson

Reunited and it feels so good 

[SydneyBillsFan]

I know we all agree that it would be great if the Panthers could make the playoffs so that the Jests second rounder becomes pick 50-something and not pick 33.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

This is bad news for Buffalo because that kid from BYU is gonna be something serious. IMO of course..

 

Yeah, ol what's his name!

 

Picking a one full season college starter who no one heard of a year ago at #2...what could go wrong??  (asking for a Bears fan)

[SirAndrew]

38 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

We will see .. and yes the Jets absolutely ruined Darnold , and many talented quarterbacks have been ruined... David Carr was twice the quarterback of his brother... And Derek's on a 10 year good career... David just got ruined by a expansion franchise

 

If he(Darnold) came to the bills he would be a really good quarterback. Maybe not at the tier Allen's at now, but that's because Allen had a higher ceiling

 

But Donald absolutely got ruined in New York 

 

And by all accounts the bills did have darnold number one and Josh Allen number 2 on their board

 

The fate of many players careers rest on where they go on draft night. Every single player from the first pick to last undrafted free agent is extremely talented 

 

It's always circumstances

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with some of this, but to say it’s always circumstances takes it a bit too far imo. Success in any field requires the right circumstances, but it still has a lot to do with the person. If it’s always about circumstances, that’s saying there’s no such thing as a QB bust. The circumstances a guy has in college also plays a huge role. Being on the right college team can put a QB in a higher draft position, compared to a QB who plays on a lower tier team with little talent. Allen at Wyoming vs Darnold at USC is a perfect example of this.
 

The jury is still out on Darnold’s career, I just don’t think anyone can be certain he would have been successful elsewhere. What does Darnold possess that made him a sure bet to be a good NFL QB ? I don’t think there is a such thing. When circumstances are blamed as the sole culprit of failure, that’s assuming Darnold must be good, but I don’t think proof of Darnold as a good NFL QB exists. 

[Malazan]

Wow, that's a LOT to give up for a backup QB who isn't very good. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Josh and Sam are buddies 🤔

 
There’s also the “other Allen”, former Panther Kyle

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Age: 29, right in his prime, so not an issue.

Potential: Took his team to the NFC Championship last time he played a whole season.

Contract: $25M/year isnt that bad for a starting/franchise QB. Plus can be renegotiated to a new, long term deal to bring that down a little.

 

I'm not a huge Jimmy G fan, but I dont get why folks completely write him off around here.

 

I honestly think he would fit well with the Pats. I think of Jimmy G as a high end game manager. He isn't a dynamic QB like Josh, Mahomes, Watson or Rodgers but he rarely makes mistakes/turnovers and can execute a scheme and has a knack for making clutch plays now and again. He is like a very very poor mans Brady in that sense. I think he fits well on a team with a very strong defense and some decent offensive pieces. 

 

I hope the Pats don't get him because he would be enough of an upgrade at QB to make those two games a lot tougher.

[SirAndrew]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yeah, ol what's his name!

 

Picking a one full season college starter who no one heard of a year ago at #2...what could go wrong??  (asking for a Bears fan)

Totally agree. Every draft has one of these guys, and it never turns out well. Wilson owes everything to Trevor Lawrence. Lawrence was the unanimous number one for so long that people got bored with the idea. NFL scouts might be the experts, but they’re people who are prone to emotion as well. I think some became tired of the Lawrence talk, and wanted to think outside of the box. They’re doing this by finding their savior in Wilson. Lawrence had no way to elevate his game film beyond what was seen early in his career. This developed into  the boredom that became Wilson mania imo. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Totally agree. Every draft has one of these guys, and it never turns out well. Wilson owes everything to Trevor Lawrence. Lawrence was the unanimous number one for so long that people got bored with the idea. NFL scouts might be the experts, but they’re people who are prone to emotion as well. I think some became tired of the Lawrence talk, and wanted to think outside of the box. They’re doing this by finding their savior in Wilson. Lawrence had no way to elevate his game film beyond what was seen early in his career. This developed into  the boredom that became Wilson mania imo. 

 

The kid could be the real deal.  who knows?  But the Jets is the worst place for him.  Those fans won't wait long....

[ALLEN1QB]

Seems like yesterday all the experts were praising the Jets and dogging Buffalo for their quarterback choice

[Buffalo716]

16 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I agree with some of this, but to say it’s always circumstances takes it a bit too far imo. Success in any field requires the right circumstances, but it still has a lot to do with the person. If it’s always about circumstances, that’s saying there’s no such thing as a QB bust. The circumstances a guy has in college also plays a huge role. Being on the right college team can put a QB in a higher draft position, compared to a QB who plays on a lower tier team with little talent. Allen at Wyoming vs Darnold at USC is a perfect example of this.
 

The jury is still out on Darnold’s career, I just don’t think anyone can be certain he would have been successful elsewhere. What does Darnold possess that made him a sure bet to be a good NFL QB ? I don’t think there is a such thing. When circumstances are blamed as the sole culprit of failure, that’s assuming Darnold must be good, but I don’t think proof of Darnold as a good NFL QB exists. 

I understand that, I was just trying to make a point that players careers absolutely have a trajectory change based on where they land and the scheme fit, and coaching etc 

 

What sets a lot of pros apart is their work ethic