Aussie Joe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Firstly... let me say that I have been a defender of Brown this year when he was long term injured and came back and hasn’t been playing his best towards the back end of the regular season when the O was humming... I was originally thinking that he might be up for a Beane haircut similar to Kroft and Star last year .... and I would have been ok with that previously... Unfortunately, my thoughts are now that he hasn’t performed this playoff season, and let’s be honest... we needed him to show up today....and whilst he wasn’t the only one to blame... his salary next year makes him stand out... I think it’s time to move on from Brown...and save the 7-8 Mil or so... nothing personal and I sincerely wish him well at his next stop Edited January 25, 2021 by Aussie Joe 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 We need to cut a lot of fat this offseason. I agree it's time to move on. Not that brown is "fat", I still think he's a solid player. But we need the cap space and i'd rather get a young guy in here in the draft. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I can see it happening but it would make me sad. He was instrumental getting the team back to the playoffs last year and helping Josh develop. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Firstly... let me say that I have been a defender of Brown this year when he was long term injured and came back and hasn’t been playing his best towards the back end of the regular season when the O was humming... I was originally thinking that he might be up for a Beane haircut similar to Kroft and Star last year .... and I would have been ok with that previously... Unfortunately, my thoughts are now that he hasn’t performed this playoff season, and let’s be honest... we needed him to show up today....and whilst he wasn’t the only one to blame... his salary next year makes him stand out... I think it’s time to move on from Brown...and save the 7-8 Mil or so... nothing personal and I sincerely wish him well at his next stop Let’s see how he does during off-season. Would not be surprised if both he and Beas get scoped. Plus who replaces that speed? Better have solution before cutting people. How bout we get a running game so dbs and safeties have to worry about the run. Now they never need to even think of looking in backfield. Let’s fix run game, then see how receivers do. We are the passing version of the Ravens. Browns played them better cuz they are balanced. This was coming as we were lucky to beat colts with 10. Min. TOP DEFICIT ! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 After this season's performance I don't know how you can really justify keeping him, especially when you've got Stills and Davis waiting in the wings and you can save something like 8 million by offloading him. That's money that can be used to sign an impact player; I loved John Brown last season but the games where he had a significant impact were too sporadic. Who knows what we have in Hodgins as well. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 A lot of tough decisions will have to be made if Allen is to receive his big long term contract....this is one of those decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, DrPJax said: Let’s see how he does during off-season. Would not be surprised if both he and Beas get scoped. Plus who replaces that speed? Better have solution before cutting people. How bout we get a running game so dbs and safeties have to worry about the run. Now they never need to even think of looking in backfield. Let’s fix run game, then see how receivers do. We are the passing version of the Ravens. Browns played them better cuz they are balanced. This was coming as we were lucky to beat colts with 10. Min. TOP DEFICIT ! Beasley sticks. Brown is expendable... and saves something like $8 million for our Cap if we cut him. Shame because when healthy I think he's an excellent #2. But Davis will very much suffice and we need money to sign the likes of Allen and Milano. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, DrPJax said: Let’s see how he does during off-season. Would not be surprised if both he and Beas get scoped. Plus who replaces that speed? Better have solution before cutting people. How bout we get a running game so dbs and safeties have to worry about the run. Now they never need to even think of looking in backfield. Let’s fix run game, then see how receivers do. We are the passing version of the Ravens. Browns played them better cuz they are balanced. This was coming as we were lucky to beat colts with 10. Min. TOP DEFICIT ! OK, so getting back to Daboll’s play calling and play development, is his strength in the passing game? He was a tight ends coach for years before becoming an offensive coordinator. In his first 2 seasons, along with Josh’s first two, they also didn’t have much of a running game outside of Josh’s running. Now the passing game is firing but the running game isn’t complimentary. Josh had been running less, outside of games like today. Maybe Daboll just isn’t good at developing running plays outside of QB sprints and RPO? The Bills have a running backs coach and offensive line coaches. Maybe they need a running game coordinator like some teams have? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I think Brown is definitely gone next year, they can spend that cap better elsewhere, I expect Davis to continue improving as well and the teams passing offense actually looked better when Brown was out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) There are a lot of contributors who are Free Agents. There are a number of positions we have to upgrade to compete with KC. And we don't have a lot of money. Beane will have to get creative with trades and cuts to make it all work. As such, players from positions of strength are prime candidates. Diggs, Beasley, and Davis are all going nowhere. Brown is kind of the odd man out at a position of strength and is tradeable. Given those facts, yeah, I don't think John Brown will be on the squad next season. Edited January 25, 2021 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 No need to make a hole where one should not exist restructure him 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Keep the talent and regroup. We got out-coached by Andy Reid. Get a breakout threat at running back, TE, and rework defensive personnel. Not saying there can't be a better cost/youth concept than Brown going forward, but he was definitely part of the reason we made the AFC Championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Whenever you were one of the top four teams in the league you don’t start cutting your stars John Brown has been injured all year and prior to that was 1000 yard receiver the talk of just cutting him is ludicrous you add talent to the roster you don’t cut it 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Whenever you were one of the top four teams in the league you don’t start cutting your stars John Brown has been injured all year and prior to that was 1000 yard receiver the talk of just cutting him is ludicrous you add talent to the roster you don’t cut it Hey John... been on your side for months... We’re you happy with him today? Yes... I don’t want him to be the scapegoat... I really wanted him to stand up today though... they needed him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Joe right now we are thinking with our hearts whenever things calm down we start thinking with our heads we will realize everything that John Brown is done for this team and how he was Josh Allen’s primary receiver before digs came along John Brown bring some thing that you cannot easily find when healthy Now what I wanna know it’s just how injured John Brown is that is the underlying piece that we don’t have that the bills will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Brown and Morse are the two most likely cuts to save cap space If Brown was injured I'd favor keeping him one more year. I'm ready to draft a center and move on from Morse and that bloated deal for an average player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Brown is one of the first places to come to mind that could use an upgrade. good dude, but they can get better there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Brown is one of the first places to come to mind that could use an upgrade. good dude, but they can get better there Better than a 1000 yard receiver?Because that’s what he was just a year ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I don't think Brown was even close to 100% today. He's been a non-factor this year because of Diggs' presence and because of his injuries. If he can get healthy he's worth keeping around. Should we keep four excellent-to-great WRs? That might seem excessive but consider the Bills are built around Allen. Also consider that the Bills got lucky this year, with Davis developing so quickly. We would have felt Brown's absence a lot more without Davis around. We need a real beast on the D line. Ed Oliver is a potential very good piece but he needs someone very large beside him to let Oliver do what he does best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I think we should not be too hard on Brown for his playoff performance, I think that he was playing with injuries that limited him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Hey John... been on your side for months... We’re you happy with him today? Yes... I don’t want him to be the scapegoat... I really wanted him to stand up today though... they needed him.. Not the same playing with the injury. He’s still good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Keep the talent and regroup. We got out-coached by Andy Reid. Get a breakout threat at running back, TE, and rework defensive personnel. Not saying there can't be a better cost/youth concept than Brown going forward, but he was definitely part of the reason we made the AFC Championship game. Andy Reid out-coaches everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Joe right now we are thinking with our hearts whenever things calm down we start thinking with our heads we will realize everything that John Brown is done for this team and how he was Josh Allen’s primary receiver before digs came along John Brown bring some thing that you cannot easily find when healthy Now what I wanna know it’s just how injured John Brown is that is the underlying piece that we don’t have that the bills will This is why I stated on the thank you thread, first I am too grateful, and that I was too angry and upset to post last night. Second, I thought it was too early to think about player decisions. You make a solid point about his injury. To me that is the determining factor as to whether he stays or goes. It’s hard to believe he fell off a cliff from a 1,000 yard season, or was he trying to be a trooper and come back too early when maybe IR would’ve been the better option. He was also very productive in Baltimore, just didn’t fit into their scheme. So, John I’m taking a breath and let’s see how he does in OTA’s. That’s the gamble of getting something small in a trade, or cutting after we see what he looks like later. I just don’t think McBeane are a tandem that makes quick decisions. They are both more methodical in their choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Beasley sticks. Brown is expendable... and saves something like $8 million for our Cap if we cut him. Shame because when healthy I think he's an excellent #2. But Davis will very much suffice and we need money to sign the likes of Allen and Milano. Not sure Milano is worth it, given injury history, meh, I just don't know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: No need to make a hole where one should not exist restructure him He's the only speed guy the Bills have. He isn't going anywhere until they get another 4.4 guy in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I think a lot depends on what they plan on using the 8 million for. I think they should see what free agents they could get then cut as needed. If we are not picking up new players I see little reason to cut him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Brown and Morse are the two most likely cuts to save cap space If Brown was injured I'd favor keeping him one more year. I'm ready to draft a center and move on from Morse and that bloated deal for an average player. Brown is a goner. Q. Jefferson, Addison, and Vernon Butler might find themselves on that list, too. I'd rather give Brown's money to Milano. It's a no-brainer. The D-line will be rebuilt this off-season, as will perhaps the right side O-line (out of cap necessity, more than anything else; Feliciano may get Morse's money) and our RB corps. It's flaming obvious that we lost last night in the trenches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Better than a 1000 yard receiver?Because that’s what he was just a year ago He was a 1000 yard receiver because there was no Diggs or Davis. Maybe it was the injuries, but his downfield speed is gone. Daboll rarely send him more than 15 yards downfield and Josh hardly looked his way anymore except as a checkdown. His YBC has been dropping like a stone, as has his average depth of target. Daboll has given up on the "Smoke" legend. If they let him go, there would be no impact on this Offense. He's a playoff ghost his whole career. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 46 minutes ago, HOUSE said: He used to be a pretty good writer then he leaked some player information and Beane got pissed What was that about? so, players who im like 50/50, where losing them creates a hole at least on paper, but these guys aren't really difference makers: Brown (not over all super dynamic, speed and some ability, but hurt too much too) Milano (i like the way he plays, i think he's an above replacement level guy, but he's hurt way too much and is not a game breaker, i could be convinced he needs to stay though) Mongo (love the guy, but he's clearly a lesser player than teller, who we sadly let go for cheap. has been hurt and is over all a replacement level guy) Josh Norman (just done at this point) Levi Wallace (a tad better than Norman, but a weakness at corner) Klien (had some solid games as a pass rusher, but had more negative impact overall) all the DL they brought in this year (Butler, Addison, Williams) didn't even manage to equal the guys they replaced, who aren't stars. Motor (not as good as a JAG 3rd stringer, rookie deal so we don't need to move on from him) Guys who losing would make a real hole and we aren't likely to get a solid replacement for Morse (paid like an all pro, plays just above average) Edumnds (sick talent, just a bad angle and mistake machine, although he brings some good plays sometimes. could be out of position, cheap contract so he obv gets at least another year) Knox (clearly not a great player, sick athlete, has been improving at least some tho, on rookie deal so whatever) and there you have it, we don't have enough playmakers (diggs, allen, white) and the guys we have around them are just not good enough. There was an athletic article on the final 4 teams, the bills had more free agent players than any other team. a couple of those have been decent, but look at who TB brought in on D (suh and JPP) and who we did (a bunch of no ones, including Murphy who barely plays) and it's obvious where the issue is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, colin said: What was that about? so, players who im like 50/50, where losing them creates a hole at least on paper, but these guys aren't really difference makers: Brown (not over all super dynamic, speed and some ability, but hurt too much too) Milano (i like the way he plays, i think he's an above replacement level guy, but he's hurt way too much and is not a game breaker, i could be convinced he needs to stay though) Mongo (love the guy, but he's clearly a lesser player than teller, who we sadly let go for cheap. has been hurt and is over all a replacement level guy) Josh Norman (just done at this point) Levi Wallace (a tad better than Norman, but a weakness at corner) Klien (had some solid games as a pass rusher, but had more negative impact overall) all the DL they brought in this year (Butler, Addison, Williams) didn't even manage to equal the guys they replaced, who aren't stars. Motor (not as good as a JAG 3rd stringer, rookie deal so we don't need to move on from him) Guys who losing would make a real hole and we aren't likely to get a solid replacement for Morse (paid like an all pro, plays just above average) Edumnds (sick talent, just a bad angle and mistake machine, although he brings some good plays sometimes. could be out of position, cheap contract so he obv gets at least another year) Knox (clearly not a great player, sick athlete, has been improving at least some tho, on rookie deal so whatever) and there you have it, we don't have enough playmakers (diggs, allen, white) and the guys we have around them are just not good enough. There was an athletic article on the final 4 teams, the bills had more free agent players than any other team. a couple of those have been decent, but look at who TB brought in on D (suh and JPP) and who we did (a bunch of no ones, including Murphy who barely plays) and it's obvious where the issue is Feliciano and Allen are TIGHT. And the line gelled when Feliciano returned. No way they let him walk if his contract demands are reasonable. Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Firstly... let me say that I have been a defender of Brown this year when he was long term injured and came back and hasn’t been playing his best towards the back end of the regular season when the O was humming... I was originally thinking that he might be up for a Beane haircut similar to Kroft and Star last year .... and I would have been ok with that previously... Unfortunately, my thoughts are now that he hasn’t performed this playoff season, and let’s be honest... we needed him to show up today....and whilst he wasn’t the only one to blame... his salary next year makes him stand out... I think it’s time to move on from Brown...and save the 7-8 Mil or so... nothing personal and I sincerely wish him well at his next stop 1. Need to make sure he gets healthy 2. Restructure will be first option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, SectionC3 said: Feliciano and Allen are TIGHT. And the line gelled when Feliciano returned. No way they let him walk if his contract demands are reasonable. Not a chance. he's better than the TRASH we had before him, sure, that's why i'm 50/50 on it. he has a lot of heart, but not as much talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Brown will be gone. Offense looked better without him and despite having Diggs take all the pressure off him he still can’t make tough catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Difficult decisions will need to be made across the board and I think Beane is the right man to make them. I also think there will be a head-scratcher or two with people questioning their decisions. But keep in mind Beane is the guy who moved Darby and Watkins before it was popular and ate a terrible year of Dead Cap in order to free up the money for guys like Mongo, Morse, Brown and Beasley. Now, Beane will have more difficult decisions to make about whom to retain and whom to send packing. Brown seems like a good guy and speed for days, but this Offense needs more. So, we'll see if Beane thinks the open market will give him more value than what Brown brings. For example, JuJu is likely to be a FA and while I'm not saying the Bills *should* or will sign JuJu if he makes it to market, but right Spotrac is projecting JuJu at ~$16 million / AAV and when Brown is at $8, it causes you to ponder the "value" between Brown and JuJu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Likely will have to be a cut given cap savings. Hopefully he takes a pay cut but at his age, staying healthy isn't likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Firstly... let me say that I have been a defender of Brown this year when he was long term injured and came back and hasn’t been playing his best towards the back end of the regular season when the O was humming... I was originally thinking that he might be up for a Beane haircut similar to Kroft and Star last year .... and I would have been ok with that previously... Unfortunately, my thoughts are now that he hasn’t performed this playoff season, and let’s be honest... we needed him to show up today....and whilst he wasn’t the only one to blame... his salary next year makes him stand out... I think it’s time to move on from Brown...and save the 7-8 Mil or so... nothing personal and I sincerely wish him well at his next stop I have a feeling this part of the reason we signed stills. We can get the same production and pay alot less Imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Brown is a good player, but he’s expendable. He didn’t bring his A game this year and speed is a youth game and not that hard to find. They’re gonna need money in other positions. Davis while not the same kind of player made brown expendable with his production when smoke was out. With Beasley and Diggs as the main guys they simply can’t invest into brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Changes coming: "That's the team we gotta beat. So we gotta do everything with that in mind this offseason." - Sean McDermott, #Bills coach, on the #Chiefs. That's a message 30 other teams need to adopt, especially on the defensive side. @nflnetwork @AroundTheNFL 3 minutes ago, Steptide said: I have a feeling this part of the reason we signed stills. We can get the same production and pay alot less Imo. John Brown: 40 time @4.34 Kenny Stills: 40 time @4.38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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