BillsFanSD Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm very unhappy with Brown right now, but I'll admit I'm just salty about his playoff production. He's a good player and I appreciate the contributions he made to the team the past couple of years. We wouldn't have made the playoffs last year without him. That said, my sense is that he's expendable. Davis has probably already passed him on the depth chart -- actually I don't think there's any "probably" about it. We can draft somebody or bring in a free agent to maintain quality depth behind Diggs-Beasley-Davis. We're going to be in an unfamiliar situation of being forced to let some very good players walk who we would have been happy resign if the salary cap weren't an issue, and Brown is a really call compared to some of the other guys who have pay days on the horizon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I wonder if we hang onto Stills for this very reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Don't know what happened to the guy, but he looks slow and weak. Get rid of the guy. We need one guy that can stretch the defense, run gadget plays, and return kicks. We have too much money in Brown, Mckenzie, and Roberts. That should be one player doing what these guys do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 would not surprise me if he announces surgery to fix an injury he has been dealing with. he was our leading receiver just last season in 2019 his contract says he may be cut.....only $1.6 mil dead money and cap savings of $8 mil beanne drafted 2 wr's last year i say he winds up a cap casualty......so many other needs at DE, LB, CB, RB, TE, OL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Brown had a career year in 2019 and was injured most of this year. No reason to cut him unless you have to clear salary cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Not sure Milano is worth it, given injury history, meh, I just don't know. I would pay Milano fair money, suggestions that we give him huge money would not be smart because he is not an elite play making LB. Good but not great, just because your winning does not mean you pay everyone. The fact is our defence contributed very little to our record this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Yes. Save the cap space while getting younger at the position as well. Gabe Davis brings what Brown does at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: I would pay Milano fair money, suggestions that we give him huge money would not be smart because he is not an elite play making LB. Good but not great, just because your winning does not mean you pay everyone. The fact is our defence contributed very little to our record this season Milano is not able to defend Kelce, just saying. If your speed linebacker can't cover a tight end, "Houston, we have a problem". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) He has to stay on the roster until they find a legitimate option to replace him, and Gabe Davis isnt it. So that leaves you with the draft, where rookies are very rarely ready to make an impact their first year, or free agency in a year where the cap is down. Brown had a bad injury filled year, but you dont cut him unless you're sure you have somebody better. The smart way to go about it is to sign Stills to a one year contract at the end of the season and let he and Brown battle in training camp. Loser gets cut. Edited January 25, 2021 by thenorthremembers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 He was not very effective for majority of the year, not reliably healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, BearNorth said: Milano is not able to defend Kelce, just saying. If your speed linebacker can't cover a tight end, "Houston, we have a problem". I agree, yet we have fans on this site that keep saying we need to pay then man. The Patriots won Super Bowls because they refused to overpay guys who were not elite, let them walk if they want big money. You pay your big stars and he is not a big star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWK Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I like Brown, but we are going to have to cut him for cap space. Hopefully Davis or another addition can replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: I agree, yet we have fans on this site that keep saying we need to pay then man. The Patriots won Super Bowls because they refused to overpay guys who were not elite, let them walk if they want big money. You pay your big stars and he is not a big star Remember that the Patsie's got a team discount from TB12 for years, Doubt Josh's agent will be interested in a discount. Of course Brady is likely the only player in the league whose wife is worth more and makes more than the player. Edited January 25, 2021 by BearNorth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, BearNorth said: Remember that the Patsie's got a team discount from TB12 for years, Doubt Josh's agent will be interested in a discount. Did not matter, they let guys walk who thought they were worth more. Worse thing for a team is to start paying average players big money because your winning, i thought Beane's free agents signing were all overpays and if you check they contributed very little. I mentioned during free agency and was accused of being too negative. Our D line is highest paid in the NFL and that cannot continue because front 4 has difficult time getting pressure without bringing extra guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Better than a 1000 yard receiver?Because that’s what he was just a year ago He basically played 8 games this season and had 458 yards, meaning he was on place again for close to 1000 yards. He played very well vs. Baltimore too. 1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said: I'm very unhappy with Brown right now, but I'll admit I'm just salty about his playoff production. He's a good player and I appreciate the contributions he made to the team the past couple of years. We wouldn't have made the playoffs last year without him. That said, my sense is that he's expendable. Davis has probably already passed him on the depth chart -- actually I don't think there's any "probably" about it. We can draft somebody or bring in a free agent to maintain quality depth behind Diggs-Beasley-Davis. We're going to be in an unfamiliar situation of being forced to let some very good players walk who we would have been happy resign if the salary cap weren't an issue, and Brown is a really call compared to some of the other guys who have pay days on the horizon. He was great last week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Seems like he's a pretty likely casualty. I'd be very interested in getting a good WR that can do the McKenzie sweeps and whatnot this offseason as well. Someone like Kadarius Toney or Rondale Moore in the draft would be ideal IMO if they go in that direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Well according to over the cap cutting JB would create 1.6m in dead money but free up 8.15 m in cap room https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Better than a 1000 yard receiver?Because that’s what he was just a year ago Diggs is 1000 yard wr. Beasley is nearly a 1000 TD wr. Brown used to be. time to upgrade. Edited January 25, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: I wonder if we hang onto Stills for this very reason. All depends on his contract demands. Anything north of $5M/year and let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Better than a 1000 yard receiver?Because that’s what he was just a year ago "a year ago" is an internity in football. I have always been a JB supporter. But I can't see the Bills keeping him. Keep in mind he is turning 31 and the cap is going down to 175 mil this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Buffalo needs someone outside besides Diggs. Maybe Brown and Beasley is injury related. Down the stretch they were shut down by Baltimore and Kc. Smaller guys dont become less injury prone the older they get. I think with Stills and the Davis Brown will be a contestant for restructure or cut. Buffalo needs to get more Dynamic on offense and better outside on defense to beat KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 John Brown has always been injury prone, I have a hard time seeing him living up to his contract next season. The issue with cutting him is that I don't see how we replace him with another free agent who we'll have to overpay for. How is this year's wide receiver draft class? That might be the only option here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, CapeBreton said: John Brown has always been injury prone, I have a hard time seeing him living up to his contract next season. The issue with cutting him is that I don't see how we replace him with another free agent who we'll have to overpay for. How is this year's wide receiver draft class? That might be the only option here. Again they have Stills in-house. Look to re-sign him to a reasonable deal and draft a speedster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Buffalo needs someone outside besides Diggs. Maybe Brown and Beasley is injury related. Down the stretch they were shut down by Baltimore and Kc. Smaller guys dont become less injury prone the older they get. I think with Stills and the Davis Brown will be a contestant for restructure or cut. Buffalo needs to get more Dynamic on offense and better outside on defense to beat KC. ?? - Beasley had a huge game last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: ?? - Beasley had a huge game last night. Baltimore he was taken away. I was talking more about Brown and to a lesser extent Beasley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Mat68 said: Baltimore he was taken away. I was talking more about Brown and to a lesser extent Beasley. Yeah, but I think it was more due tot the fact that he was really, really banged up in that Baltimore game. He wouldn’t have played if it was a garden variety regular season game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 yes, lets blow this thing up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Firstly... let me say that I have been a defender of Brown this year when he was long term injured and came back and hasn’t been playing his best towards the back end of the regular season when the O was humming... I was originally thinking that he might be up for a Beane haircut similar to Kroft and Star last year .... and I would have been ok with that previously... Unfortunately, my thoughts are now that he hasn’t performed this playoff season, and let’s be honest... we needed him to show up today....and whilst he wasn’t the only one to blame... his salary next year makes him stand out... I think it’s time to move on from Brown...and save the 7-8 Mil or so... nothing personal and I sincerely wish him well at his next stop I don't know where you gte "hasn't performed this playoff season". I think his 8 catches for 62 yards vs.Baltimore were a key reason we were playing KC> The uncoachable trait Brown has on our offense when healthy, is speed. His kryptonite is physical press man coverage, which seems able to take him away IMHO the reason we signed Kenny Stills to the practice squad for the playoff season was as a 3 week audition. He's got that same uncoachable speed thing. He's been passed around 3 different teams. The pattern seems to be he has a good year (NOR 2014, HOU 2019) then disappears. He's been traded 2x and cut 1x, with a guaranteed salary and on a team that was not flush with WR talent. That's a flag. So Beane brought him in, as a "break glass in emergency" sure, but more to take a look at his work ethic, his football smarts, his attitude. I think if they like what they saw, they try to sign Stills and move on from Brown. Stills is bigger (6'1", 202 vs 5'11", 178) and may be harder to neutralize with a 40 time only 0.04s slower. But it will depend upon what they saw, then upon salary expectations. I'm having trouble figuring it out, but I think he was paid $8M guaranteed by the Texans this year. Brown's salary was $7M this year with $1M in bonuses, same next year. $1.6M dead money if we move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Too old.. been saying this for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Yeah. I’d like to resign him for half the $ but he’s not worth 8 mill for this team. I really hope we find a way to upgrade at RB without spending big bucks or a high pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 26 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Yeah, but I think it was more due tot the fact that he was really, really banged up in that Baltimore game. He wouldn’t have played if it was a garden variety regular season game. Beasley was open against the Ravens several times that Josh didn't pull the trigger, but the Ravens really seemed to be playing to take him away, and largely succeeded. Brown had their #3 (I think) guy on him and was able to get open. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 A good regular season player not built for the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Too many hot takes here - I think it's pretty obvious he was hurting this year. I love what that guy brings to the table, and you can't do much better for a #2 to line up across from Diggs when he's healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Don’t cut good players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 He will either restructure or be released. They have options with Davis and Hodgins, plus guys like Stills, McK, Kumerow, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't know where you gte "hasn't performed this playoff season". I think his 8 catches for 62 yards vs.Baltimore were a key reason we were Collectively he caught 10 catches for 86 yards and 0 TDS in three games.... Perhaps it’s a little harsh to say he didn’t perform, however my expectations were sky high for him coming into the playoffs fresh and ready to go after quite a lay off 1 hour ago, ngbills said: He will either restructure or be released. They have options with Davis and Hodgins, plus guys like Stills, McK, Kumerow, etc. So how much you cutting his salary by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I think the plan was always to cut Brown this season, based on how his deal was structured. He was a good player for us, but he's no longer needed. Gabe Davis takes over his role and you draft a new WR to backfill and compete with Hodgins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I think the plan was always to cut Brown this season, based on how his deal was structured. He was a good player for us, but he's no longer needed. Gabe Davis takes over his role and you draft a new WR to backfill and compete with Hodgins. Brown is a 4.34 speedster when healthy. Gabriel Davis has out-performed expectations as a rookie and he's not a slug, but he's not a speedster either (4.54 guy). His hero as a WR is Larry Fitzgerald, the guy who's not that tall, not that fast, but out-works, out-moves, and out-thinks everyone else. Unless he can somehow train at "House of Speed" and improve his speed without hampering some other aspect of his game, he's not physically equipped to take over that "take the top off the defense" speedster role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Brown is a 4.34 speedster when healthy. Gabriel Davis has out-performed expectations as a rookie and he's not a slug, but he's not a speedster either (4.54 guy). His hero as a WR is Larry Fitzgerald, the guy who's not that tall, not that fast, but out-works, out-moves, and out-thinks everyone else. Unless he can somehow train at "House of Speed" and improve his speed without hampering some other aspect of his game, he's not physically equipped to take over that "take the top off the defense" speedster role I don't think we need him to. He's gotten deep plenty this year, and you can use McKenzie in that deep role when you need it. Additionally, I think you also draft someone, and if you want them to be a burner, so be it. Diggs was used as a deep threat in Minnesota too. I really don't see it as a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Doc said: Again they have Stills in-house. Look to re-sign him to a reasonable deal and draft a speedster. If we can get Stills at half of Brown's salary, keep McKenzie count me in. I'd also look to draft a depth RB/WR/DB to replace Roberts I'm good with that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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