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It couldnt have been a better weekend for Bills fans.  Bills clinch first AFC East Title in 25 years, Patriots get eliminated from playoff contention, and the Jets lose a shot at getting Trevor Lawren

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I’m Gase’s defense, he probably could care less about the jets at this point. He knows he’s getting fired and that them having the first overall pick or not means nothing to him 

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this is a crazy trivia

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9 hours ago, aristocrat said:

wonder if the jets poach daboll and Joe Schoen?  try to copy our system

That would be a sensible move, but this is the Jets, therefore it won't happen.

 

The Jets will hire Gase to be the GM and the stars will align and Doug Marrone will get his dream job as HC of the Jets.

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11 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Jets fans want to trade Darnold for Wentz lmao, and now they want to see them trade down since losing out on Lawrence. That ***** show excuse of a franchise can’t do anything right 🤣🤣🤣


At this point, the Jets have to trade Darnold and take another QB in the draft.  It’s not going to work on NY and both parties just need to move on.

 

Also Douglas is going to want to buy as much time as possible, and one way to do that is to bring a new coach and QB on board.  I’m almost certain Darnold is out

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12 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I know it won't happen but wanted to add onto this.

 

Jets swap 1st rounders with Philly in the trade for Wentz (along with other picks I'm sure) and Lawrence ends up not being the 1st overall pick by the Jags and gets taken by someone else before their pick at ~7-9.

Wentz will not save this franchise. 

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18 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Jaguars could always win a game in the final 2 weeks....

 

 

 

Absolutely.  In a season where the Jets shock the Rams on the road and the Bengals embarrass the Steelers, the Jags play the Bears this week and then the Colts in the season finale which may or may not mean a lot to the Colts.

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I actually feel bad for Jets fans.  They've suffered in the wilderness for as long as we did, with all sorts of weird embarrassments along the way (e.g. getting jilted by Belichick, the butt-fumble).  Their fans mostly seem like good guys, with not a bandwagon-jumper among them.  They don't deserve this.

 

Still gonna laugh though, and still glad if we don't end up with TL in our division.  

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14 minutes ago, Greg S said:

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/156938-jets-could-have-drafted-all-3-afc-pro-bowl-qbs/

 

More depressed Jets fans talk.

Actually some really good points in this thread about qb development, particularly Allen v Darnold. Great to see our staff being the envy of other fan bases rather than the laughing stock of them. They must have had a field day when we hired Rex.

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11 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

That depends on what the value of Jimmy G on a huge contract is? He had an excellent year in 2019 but didn't really do all that well in the games he played in 2020 (he wasn't bad but certainly not eye popping performances) and in 2018 he was hurt early and sitting on a 1-2 record with pedestrian numbers. Along with the fact that while he was 5-0 in 2017 he didn't really light the world on fire. 

 

He is on a pretty big deal as well. I think that if the number two pick is a top flight QB that trade isn't super outlandish although I think the 2022 pick being a 1st is outright unlikely as it likely would be a 2nd or 3rd. That all being said the 49ers are a pretty veteran team and I doubt they want to start over with a rookie QB while also bankrupting your draft picks for a draft and giving up a premium pick in a future draft.

25M non guaranteed. Yeah they are NOT going to get picks from San Fran in that manner. Hence how delusional they are. 

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19 hours ago, x-BillzeBubba said:

this is a crazy trivia

 

I was following the passing yardage leaders for a while after Prescott was injured.  He was so far ahead of everybody at that point, it took a couple weeks before  a fair amount of QBs caught him.

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21 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

I really don't think Daboll is in a rush for a HC job. The dude is patient and strategic. He'll move on for the right job with the necessary support from ownership and suitable GM. The Jets just don't fit that description. I'm sure from working with Belichick he understands that passing on the Jets probably is the right move.

 

I actually think the Jets job is pretty attractive and that they have a chance to be much better next year with competent coaching and a new QB.  They had a very good draft last year and have lots of extra picks this year.  A pretty good defense is already in place there...

47 minutes ago, Looper said:

 

Wentz might save the Steelers as Big Ben is on his last legs - or Darnold might be a good fit in Pittsburgh with a real coach.

Carson Wentz is not going to save anyone.  And neither is Sam Darnold.

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28 minutes ago, mannc said:

I actually think the Jets job is pretty attractive and that they have a chance to be much better next year with competent coaching and a new QB.  They had a very good draft last year and have lots of extra picks this year.  A pretty good defense is already in place there...

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The organization as a whole is flawed and that is what has held them back all these years. It's why Belichick walked away from the opportunity there and things haven't really changed since then. Talent on the field alone is not enough to be successful in this league you need the organization and supportive ownership to go with it.

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1 minute ago, ProcessAccepted said:

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The organization as a whole is flawed and that is what has held them back all these years. It's why Belichick walked away from the opportunity there and things haven't really changed since then. Talent on the field alone is not enough to be successful in this league you need the organization and supportive ownership to go with it.

I understand that ownership is a problem there, but the fact remains that they had a good draft last year, they have a bunch of premium picks in the upcoming draft (including no worse than 2 overall), and they already have a decent defense.  IMO, it's not inconceivable that they could have a Miami-like turnaround in 2021, if they hire the right coach.  And isn't Justin Fields considered a really good QB prospect?     

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I'd draft Sewell at 2, Dickerson/Humphrey with the Seahawks pick and then spend on the best interior OL FA if I was them.  Becton-Thuney-Dickerson-Sewell is potentially the best OL in the NFL.

 

I'd love for them to draft Fields, Wilson or Lance, but I don't think they are that stupid to do that at #2.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, mannc said:

I understand that ownership is a problem there, but the fact remains that they had a good draft last year, they have a bunch of premium picks in the upcoming draft (including no worse than 2 overall), and they already have a decent defense.  IMO, it's not inconceivable that they could have a Miami-like turnaround in 2021, if they hire the right coach.  And isn't Justin Fields considered a really good QB prospect?     

I just see too many of the same problems that exist in Dallas. Ownership has a tendency to react and meddle. Plus when you add in the NYC media and their headlines the situation is more challenging. Look at the talent that Dallas have been putting on the field for years and how they always seem to come up short. 

 

While the Jets hiring Gase made it possible for them to win the Super Bowl it certainly didn't make it probable. The Bills turnaround happened because our new ownership cleared house, brought in a new mindset and gave the people time to implement it. Doug Whaley and Russ Brandon and all the power struggles and infighting had to go. These changes took time and required a process. Until the Jets take that kind of holistic approach to their organization they will never be better than middle tier. 

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2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

I bet the league is absolutely thrilled about someone with Lawrence's marketing cache coming in and ending up with Jacksonville instead of New York.

 

I don't think it matters in the NFL.   Mahomes is in KC and Rodgers in Green Bay...  Hasn't affected their marketing ability one bit.   They know they'll get ratings from the big market teams..  Must be nice to throw Jacksonville on a random Thursday Night Game and get massive ratings next year. 

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3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

25M non guaranteed. Yeah they are NOT going to get picks from San Fran in that manner. Hence how delusional they are. 

 

I could see them getting good options to trade down from number 2 if they want to stick with Darnold but I agree the 49ers are not that option.

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1 hour ago, mannc said:

I actually think the Jets job is pretty attractive and that they have a chance to be much better next year with competent coaching and a new QB.  They had a very good draft last year and have lots of extra picks this year.  A pretty good defense is already in place there...

Carson Wentz is not going to save anyone.  And neither is Sam Darnold.

 

Ask Ryan Tannehill about what a change in scenery can do  ...  Mike Tomlin  > Gase/Bowles combined.

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54 minutes ago, Looper said:

 

Ask Ryan Tannehill about what a change in scenery can do  ...  Mike Tomlin  > Gase/Bowles combined.

Ryan Tannehill was never as bad as Carson Wentz is right now, but I admit, it's certainly possible that he can improve.   

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1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

I don't think it matters in the NFL.   Mahomes is in KC and Rodgers in Green Bay...  Hasn't affected their marketing ability one bit.   They know they'll get ratings from the big market teams..  Must be nice to throw Jacksonville on a random Thursday Night Game and get massive ratings next year. 

 

 

Yes and no.  Obviously guys like Mahomes & Rodgers have shown they are marketable anywhere they play.

 

That being said, big market teams (especially the NFC East) can be absolutely terrible and are still the highest rated TV games regardless of air time, which is why we get force fed primetime NFC East games.

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2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Yes and no.  Obviously guys like Mahomes & Rodgers have shown they are marketable anywhere they play.

 

That being said, big market teams (especially the NFC East) can be absolutely terrible and are still the highest rated TV games regardless of air time, which is why we get force fed primetime NFC East games.

 

That's what i'm basically saying though.. Big Market games will always get viewership in the NFL.  Having Lawrence in Jax, Allen in Buffalo, Mahomes in KC etc.., make smaller markets more able to bring in massive ratings as well. 
 

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1 hour ago, mannc said:

Ryan Tannehill was never as bad as Carson Wentz is right now, but I admit, it's certainly possible that he can improve.   

I feel like Wentz would likely do well on the Colts as he would be reunited with Reich-  he got the best out of him while he was Philly’s OC

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Wentz isn’t going anywhere. He’s broken anyway just like Darnold. Tannehill was never as bad as either of these guys, he just wasn’t in a system or with a coach who designed an offense around his strengths. Andrew Brandt has a great article on why Philly will keep Wentz and basically it’s because its much cheaper for them to keep him instead of moving on. I’m not sold on Hurts anyway. Everyone is ready to anoint these guys like him and Tua all-pros after a few average games. The real test is once DC’s get some tape on the new guys and start designing game plans to take away what they do well. The good QBs adjust over time (you’ve seen that with Allen) and get better, the majority keep trying to force the same things and either halt their progress or if you are Darnold, completely regress.

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I'd be breathing a sigh of relief if I was Trevor Lawrence. The Jets just destroyed Sam Darnold with a level of epic incompetence the likes of which we haven't seen since...the last time the Jets drafted a QB high. As long as Woody Johnson owns that team, they're screwed. 

 

Lawrence will at least have a chance in Jacksonville. They'll probably tear it down and rebuild around him whereas the Jets would go, "We got our guy, now let's do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to build around him and then when he loses too much, we fire him!"

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