elijah Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I don't make threads often, and when I do typically it's a well-written article but this time I'm just posing a question that I'm curious to see where Bills fans stand on. I have a group chat with a bunch of my friends who also happen to be diehard Bills fans. I asked the question, who would you trade Josh Allen for? My answer is that the only player in the league I trade Josh Allen for right now would be Pat Mahomes straight up (I'm aware the Chiefs wouldn't do that). One of my friends argued back that they would trade Josh for Russell straight up as well, with the age difference I disagree, but I could see where the argument could be made. Where this thread is stemming from, two of my friends in the group said that they would consider Kyler Murray for Josh Allen straight up, and I simply can not justify that to myself. I understand that Kyler is hot right now, but Josh just seems to have the more complete game. A side note to this, where would you rank Josh in the league for quarterback play THIS SEASON. For myself, there's a first tier of Rodgers, Wilson and Mahomes. After that there's a second tier consisting of names like Watson, Murray, Tannehill, Matt Ryan, Big Ben, Brady, Brees, Josh and etc. But even within that second tier, I would personally take Josh over the rest of the names I listed. Josh is currently my QB4 in the league. Normally I'm not a homer and can see where this may sound biased, so I'm curious to see what this board thinks of this. So, who/what, if anyone/package, would you trade Josh for and where does he rank among your quarterback's this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I’d start with four first round picks and various other picks included as well.. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Mahomes 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I don't know, I just hope whatever hostages they've taken are alright. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I'm keeping Josh. 17 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Congress passing a law making football (actually, all contact sports) illegal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 PFF recommends a 6th round pick 1 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 No person with an ounce of football knowledge would trade Josh Allen for anyone save the exception of Pat Mahones. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 A bullet. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, hemma said: Congress passing a law making football (actually, all contact sports) illegal. lolz.... so we could all be Europeans watching soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Mahomes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Insanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JY422 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Not one other player. Not 2 other players. Not 10 other players. Listen... it is the hardest thing in sports to land a true, hall-of-fame-caliber franchise QB. Even harder to land one who loves his team, teammates, and community the way JA loves this team. Every player and coach in the organization would storm the gates of hell with this kid. There aren’t enough talented players or picks to trade that could replace what JA brings to this organization. who knows.... maybe in a year or two I am singing a different tune because he got lazy or cocky or regressed terribly but I just don’t see any of those things happening. 3 6 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I think the real question here is would Ralph Wilson have traded Josh?? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) Pure hypothetical, because that makes this more fun. The Bills and Saints have completed a trade: Saints receive: Josh Allen, QB Bills receive: 2021 1st round pick 2022 1st round pick 2022 3rd round pick 2024 1st round pick Alvin Kamara, RB Andrus Peat, G Edited November 12, 2020 by TheElectricCompany 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, NewEra said: Mahomes This would be only price 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Mahomes is the only correct answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) No one, not even Mahomes. Josh is the perfect QB for Buffalo! The relationship between this QB and this coach/team/city/fanbase is special. Maybe it would have been with Mahomes too (he also seems like a great guy), but Josh wanted to be drafted by Buffalo. He's humble, small town, blue-collar. His story: the struggle to get to play college ball, let alone getting to the NFL. He's had to work for everything he has. Playing in the cold and weather on a bad Wyoming team. His need for redemption, to prove himself. The list goes on. It is just a match that I would never mess with. Edited November 12, 2020 by folz 5 18 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Although Josh may not be as talented as some other players out there, he is a perfect fit for the Bills. He completely embraced the culture from day 1. You can't put a price on that. We've watched him grow to the player he is now. I would never trade him. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, boater said: lolz.... so we could all be Europeans watching soccer. The Horror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 One name and one name only - Peterman. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 We have what looks to be a legit borderline top 5 qb that’s only 24 and hasn’t hit his hypothetical ceiling yet. literally nothing other than Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Not even for Mahomes. Not that I don't think Mahomes is the better QB. But, I'm really enjoying rooting for this team, right now. THIS team.Josh hasn't even reached his ceiling yet. When he does, I want him to be in a Bills uniform. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: We have what looks to be a legit borderline top 5 qb that’s only 24 and hasn’t hit his hypothetical ceiling yet. literally nothing other than Mahomes. AND, he’s still on the cheap. You could argue Wilson or Rodgers might give us a better chance for a SB if it was this year, or maybe next. BUT, they have much bigger cap hits. Josh will see his pay day in time, of course But today........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) I wouldnt trade him for anyone. This season I have him as QB4 in the NFL as well. But the thing is I wouldnt want the 3 QBs ahead of him. I understand Mahomes. The dude is amazing. Mahomes is better than Allen now (and possibly always), but Allen is freaking amazing and he’s ours. My eyes aren’t straying. Great post by the way. Edited November 12, 2020 by bobobonators 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 49 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I don't know, I just hope whatever hostages they've taken are alright. They won't be if im GM lol 30 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Pure hypothetical, because that makes this more fun. The Bills and Saints have completed a trade: Saints receive: Josh Allen, QB Bills receive: 2021 1st round pick 2022 1st round pick 2022 3rd round pick 2024 1st round pick Alvin Kamara, RB Andrus Peat, G Nah. Especially those will be late picks of the round. Rbs and Gs are easily serviceable. I get the theoretical and its fun, so respectfully, im passing on the deal. My hypothetical would be you must trade Allen. In return you get any qb not named Mahomes/Rodgers + their top WR. Who you taking? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The next 30 years of 1st round picks and then the answer is still no. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Not Mahomes. Not anyone. 32 out of 32 GMs would take Mahomes right now and while I can't blame them they're all wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Would not trade him. Allen will get his Super Bowl ring at some point imo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Did the OP forget how long it took for us to get a legitimate QB finally. I have not desire to go thru that again and Josh is a perfect fit for Buffalo!!! No trade clause enacted by Billsmafia 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Nah. Especially those will be late picks of the round. Rbs and Gs are easily serviceable. I get the theoretical and its fun, so respectfully, im passing on the deal. My hypothetical would be you must trade Allen. In return you get any qb not named Mahomes/Rodgers + their top WR. Who you taking? Not sure there is any other QB + WR combo that would be appealing. Does Ciara sit in the stands to watch Russel Wilson and Metcalf? That might make me consider it. On my deal, my hypothetical response. We've seen Jamal Adams and Laremy Tunsel go for 2 first rounders, so I think the conversation doesn't even begin until you have 3 first rounders on the table. However, that isn't fair value for a young star QB, and no GM will give up 4 or 5 first rounders, so you need players. Sure, draft picks from the Jets or Jags would be good, but what players do they offer up that move the needle? Beuller....Bueller? You need some real blue chip guys to keep the conversation going. In this case, I picked Kamara and Peat because they are at lower value positions, but are both tremendous players. It be great to pick up a pass rusher or left tackle, but that's too risky for my taste. Edited November 12, 2020 by TheElectricCompany 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 47 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Pure hypothetical, because that makes this more fun. The Bills and Saints have completed a trade: Saints receive: Josh Allen, QB Bills receive: 2021 1st round pick 2022 1st round pick 2022 3rd round pick 2024 1st round pick Alvin Kamara, RB Andrus Peat, G Where’s our QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: Where’s our QB? Ask him if he’d trade Allen for Lamar Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: Where’s our QB? 2021 or 2022 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Lombardi Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Nobody. No way. No how. Never. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Peace Frog said: Although Josh may not be as talented as some other players out there, he is a perfect fit for the Bills. He completely embraced the culture from day 1. You can't put a price on that. We've watched him grow to the player he is now. I would never trade him. I agree.....but there’s another thing you can’t put a price on. Winning a Super Bowl.....and I know Mahomes can deliver it. It’ll be special when and if JA, gets us one.....but if he doesn’t, it won’t be worth not paying the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheElectricCompany said: Pure hypothetical, because that makes this more fun. The Bills and Saints have completed a trade: Saints receive: Josh Allen, QB Bills receive: 2021 1st round pick 2022 1st round pick 2022 3rd round pick 2024 1st round pick Alvin Kamara, RB Andrus Peat, G How did you come up with a 3rd in 2022? Why not a 1st in 2023. Edited November 12, 2020 by ALLEN1QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Mahomes...Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 This thread makes me happy. It also makes me think. It makes me think that I wouldn’t trade Josh for Mahomes either. Josh is OUR QB. We waited long enough, but now we’ve got him. He may not be the best in the world right now, but gosh darn it if I don’t think he will be at some point, even it’s for only a year. That year, he’ll deliver is the super bowl we’ve been waiting for. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, BruceVilanch said: Mahomes...Maybe. If that little dork goes to Buffalo I'm switching to Miami. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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