SoTier Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: He was brutal last night. I have even more appreciation for how much Josh Allen has progressed. Allen's problems as a rookie were his rawness and, during his first season, lack of good QB coaching. Despite that, he progressed through his rookie season, and with better coaching last season, he blossomed. This year, he's matured into a franchise QB. The key to that progress is that he learns from his mistakes and doesn't keep making the same ones over and over. Jones is just the opposite. He simply makes poor decisions , and he keeps them again and again. Both INTs were because he tried to make throws he couldn't instead of just throwing the ball away. Twenty games into his career, he should have at least figured out when to do that, and apparently he hasn't, especially when under pressure. He reminds me of JP Losman, who could make beautiful throws and occasional great plays, but under pressure, he always made the wrong decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 50 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He plays like Josh Allen without Josh Allen's physical abilities or toughness. I thought he played like LAST year's Josh Allen. He repeatedly overthrew open receivers down field and made some poor decisions. However, more than the physical abilities, my concern would be whether he is progressing the way Allen was. To me, the ability to learn (and willingness to put the effort in to learn) has always been one of Allen's greatest attributes. I am not sure we are seeing a better Daniel Jones this year than we did last.....and that would concern me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, fergie's ire said: I thought he played like LAST year's Josh Allen. He repeatedly overthrew open receivers down field and made some poor decisions. However, more than the physical abilities, my concern would be whether he is progressing the way Allen was. To me, the ability to learn (and willingness to put the effort in to learn) has always been one of Allen's greatest attributes. I am not sure we are seeing a better Daniel Jones this year than we did last.....and that would concern me. He seems to be more erratic this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, SoTier said: Allen's problems as a rookie were his rawness and, during his first season, lack of good QB coaching. Despite that, he progressed through his rookie season, and with better coaching last season, he blossomed. This year, he's matured into a franchise QB. The key to that progress is that he learns from his mistakes and doesn't keep making the same ones over and over. Jones is just the opposite. He simply makes poor decisions , and he keeps them again and again. Both INTs were because he tried to make throws he couldn't instead of just throwing the ball away. Twenty games into his career, he should have at least figured out when to do that, and apparently he hasn't, especially when under pressure. He reminds me of JP Losman, who could make beautiful throws and occasional great plays, but under pressure, he always made the wrong decision. I think we were making the same point simultaneously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, fergie's ire said: I think we were making the same point simultaneously. Great minds think alike! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 In all honesty, he eerily reminded me of Josh 1.0 last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Returntoglory said: In all honesty, he eerily reminded me of Josh 1.0 last night. Minus the rocket arm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 He reminds me of josh from last year. With no preseason and a ton of rookies on the team, I think one more year might be warranted before confirming bust status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 The Giants' OL is among the league's worst. Jones is forced to play hero ball a lot, I think he can be a solid QB with more development and better play around him. I don't see him ever becoming a star, but maybe a Stafford-level guy with a long career of being pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, mannc said: Gettleman should have been fired the second he used the number 2 overall pick on a RB in a highly regarded QB draft. That pick could have yielded a treasure trove of draft capital, and he just flat out squandered it. Spot on. I called this the moment they drafted Barkley but several people had an opinion that Barkley was a generational talent. This is yet another in a line of examples of why a high 1st round RB is a luxury pick. Giants were close to needing a QB, which is the exact time to have drafted one especially in that quality class. They were then left reaching for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Oh, I heard it here in the off-season that Daniel Jones is better than Josh Allen. So clearly this can't be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, 947 said: The Giants' OL is among the league's worst. Jones is forced to play hero ball a lot, I think he can be a solid QB with more development and better play around him. I don't see him ever becoming a star, but maybe a Stafford-level guy with a long career of being pretty good. Not to mention, some of the balls he threw were actually great balls but it looked like the receivers were slow to turn and look for the ball or they just gave up on the play. Of course, some he over shot and threw a bad ball but some of those could have been caught with better receiver play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Uneven but certainly has the tools. A couple poor decisions cost them the game. Giants played a pretty good game last night. He’s young and has to eliminate hero ball (sound familiar). I still think he can be good. The media are so quick to give up on some of these young QB’s. I have seen more promise from Jones than Darnold. Edited November 3, 2020 by QLBillsFan Spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Living in Giants country, there is a love hate relationship with him. He has flashes of real talent, but he just can’t put it together. I think losing Saquan Barkley this year is a huge loss for him, having a guy like that takes a lot of pressure off of the QB. Jason Garrett will be able to get the most out of him, and I feel like last night, they played really well until the second interception. How many times have we seen the same thing against a Brady led team. You give him an inch, and he turns it into a country mile. He came right back and got the score, but it wasn’t enough. Personally, I don’t think he’s a bust yet. I feel like Garett will be very good for him in the long run, and he will be able to get them to a respectable place on offense next year. Edited November 3, 2020 by RobbRiddicksTDLeap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I heard a stat yesterday, that Daniel Jones has only beaten two NFL teams in his career. The Bucs as a rookie and Washington twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCNC Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Greg S said: If Trevor Lawrence ends up on the Giants than that would be fantastic. I would feel so bad for our "friends" in green. Would be nice but I honestly don't see how the Jests win a game this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 hours ago, matter2003 said: Jones now has played 20 games and has 21 INTs and 15 lost fumbles, which gives him the most turnovers(36 total) through his first 20 games for a QB since Ryan Leaf had 41... Think it might be time to realize he isn't the guy they thought he was and maybe is more like the guy every other team thought he was... https://sports.yahoo.com/time-giants-start-wondering-daniel-054545643.html To be honest, he does some really impressive things with his arm and legs but he’s more inconsistent than Josh Allen on his worst day. The turnovers are brutal too. I think he was a reach by a desperate GM but I don’t think he’s that bad and that he has a chance to improve. He’s also done a fairly decent job elevating the receivers on the roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: Jones has a lot of panic throws instead of eating it and taking a sack to love another down. Was that a typo, or are you going all 'Sherlock Holmes' on us? *😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 The Giants are not the Jets. They have talent and their offense should be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 A lot of issues with his situation and the way he played. But last night the refs stole his chance to lead his team back. Surviving the NFL QB curve is one of the hardest things to do for any athlete in any sport. Calls like that last night change lives, maybe his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 If he does get a bust, it will be a bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 plays on a terrible team he shows signs of being a good qb. just needs to get his turnovers cut down, kind of like Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: He was brutal last night. I have even more appreciation for how much Josh Allen has progressed. When I see almost all other QBs I am glad we have Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I think he can probably win with more support around him, but he's nothing special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 34 Turnovers in his first 20 starts are the most since Ryan Leaf in 1999-2000: Never a good sign when you are associated with Leaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Daniel Jones is a bad version of Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsToast Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 hours ago, matter2003 said: Jones now has played 20 games and has 21 INTs and 15 lost fumbles, which gives him the most turnovers(36 total) through his first 20 games for a QB since Ryan Leaf had 41... Think it might be time to realize he isn't the guy they thought he was and maybe is more like the guy every other team thought he was... https://sports.yahoo.com/time-giants-start-wondering-daniel-054545643.html Allen looked brutal in year 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Daniel Jones is a bad version of Josh Allen That's probably the best way to describe him. I watched most of that game last night and he must have overthrown 5-6 receivers which would have been either TD's or long gains. Yes I think he will be a bust and a backup within 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: That's probably the best way to describe him. I watched most of that game last night and he must have overthrown 5-6 receivers which would have been either TD's or long gains. Yes I think he will be a bust and a backup within 3 years. Exactly he's athletic enough to make some plays, but he makes bad decisions with the football. Josh was light years a head of where Jones is year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, matter2003 said: Jones now has played 20 games and has 21 INTs and 15 lost fumbles, which gives him the most turnovers(36 total) through his first 20 games for a QB since Ryan Leaf had 41... Think it might be time to realize he isn't the guy they thought he was and maybe is more like the guy every other team thought he was... https://sports.yahoo.com/time-giants-start-wondering-daniel-054545643.html I dont need to realize *****, I didnt draft him. Everyone but the Giants knew he was a bust. Edited November 3, 2020 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 hours ago, matter2003 said: Jones now has played 20 games and has 21 INTs and 15 lost fumbles, which gives him the most turnovers(36 total) through his first 20 games for a QB since Ryan Leaf had 41... Think it might be time to realize he isn't the guy they thought he was and maybe is more like the guy every other team thought he was... https://sports.yahoo.com/time-giants-start-wondering-daniel-054545643.html He has talent. He needs to learn situationally. buffalo was a playoff team the year before. Thry did have talent already before they drafted Jish. Giants are still rebuilding. Don’t forget they list Barkley last year and thus year to i juries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: Spot on. I called this the moment they drafted Barkley but several people had an opinion that Barkley was a generational talent. This is yet another in a line of examples of why a high 1st round RB is a luxury pick. Giants were close to needing a QB, which is the exact time to have drafted one especially in that quality class. They were then left reaching for a QB. And even if they decided it wasn't the time to draft Manning's successor, they could have reaped a huge windfall by making the trade Indy made, dropping back a few slots, getting 3 second round picks and still landing a blue chip player with their first round pick. As I said, a fire-able offense the second the card was turned in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: He threw a TD to Dion Lewis that was a thing of beauty last night. Then latter on the extremely well designed two point attempt, he hesitated and threw it late. Lost them the game Two awful picks. Hes good in the sense he can make all the throws and whatnot, but he is not going to last long if he keeps turning the ball over like he does. Hes like Jameis Winston in that sense. He's good enough and makes enough plays to keep you hoping, then he is getting tackled and throwing it directly to a defender during a promising drive In ints...in general it’s hard to say if it was we fsult or receiver fault or the situation. i thought it was PI in the 2 pt play. It’s the kind of play if identical happenedto TB it gets called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: He threw a TD to Dion Lewis that was a thing of beauty last night. Then latter on the extremely well designed two point attempt, he hesitated and threw it late. Lost them the game Two awful picks. Hes good in the sense he can make all the throws and whatnot, but he is not going to last long if he keeps turning the ball over like he does. Hes like Jameis Winston in that sense. He's good enough and makes enough plays to keep you hoping, then he is getting tackled and throwing it directly to a defender during a promising drive This is precisely what I was thinking. That TD was an absolutely perfect throw, and it had to be. But then the 2-point conversion was there for the taking and he blew it. Up to that point in the game, I was watching him and thinking, "That guy is really not very good." And then he'd pull a miracle 4th down conversion or two out of his butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 He's got talent for sure, so I'm willing to see how his third year pans out before making a definitive call on him. Definitely needs to cut down on the turnovers. He does some things we saw Josh do throughout his rookie year and a few games into 2019. Just trying to do too much and trying to force plays and it usually ends up in a turnover. Glad to see Josh knows now when to throw it away or bail to the sidelines and live for the next play. Sometimes it just isn't there, defenses will win their fair share of plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 he is david carr; ie; we'll never know what he could have been, given how bad the rest of their offensive roster is.. he is probably toast, ruined by those around him at a minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, KCNC said: Would be nice but I honestly don't see how the Jests win a game this year. I bet they win Monday night against the Pats* National game, two bad teams. One team wants to prove they are better than theyve showed. Honestly its a game the Jets will come out firing and the Pats* will just not show up And I will be toasting the end of the Pats* and the end of Lawrence in a jets uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I haven't watched much of him before last night. He was missing guys all over the place, short intermediate and deep balls were all way off. It certainly appears that he stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Every time I see anything about Daniel Jones I think of this compilation clip. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsToast said: Allen looked brutal in year 2. Umm...maybe up until the first Pats game. After that he played pretty damn good I thought for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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