JetsFan20 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 After the stunt he pulled last week his coaching career in the NFL is likely over. It has been fifteen years but can you reflect on the Williams administration? What was his leadership style like? Why did ultimately fail? Why did he not get another permanent head coaching job? How do Buffalo fans perceive him? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Same guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 A better question would be, “Why did any team ever hire Gregg Williams as an NFL head coach?” 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) I’m not sure how many people like being yelled at by a bull horn first thing in the morning. 🤷♂️ I’m in the “no thank you camp” on that one. Hard to overcome such a lousy start. That’s a pretty poor wake up call. I’d have hated him in the first 30 seconds once I knew what was happening. Don’t be a $%#^. We are grown men and deserve some respect. Edited October 23, 2020 by Augie 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 WFAN phone lines all full up? Or did the screener check the list of banned callers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: After the stunt he pulled last week his coaching career in the NFL is likely over. It has been fifteen years but can you reflect on the Williams administration? What was his leadership style like? Why did ultimately fail? Why did he not get another permanent head coaching job? How do Buffalo fans perceive him? What exactly was the "stunt" he pulled last week? Pointing fingers at the offense? As I remember he was a fairly abbrasive and grating personality. If a guy is going to have such a strong personality, he has to win, or he isn't going to last long as an NFL headcoach. Personally, I think he is a decent coordinator, but I think the reason he has never received another head coaching job is his ego has always seem to gotten him in hot water with the head coach of any stop he has made, since Buffalo. You don't work well with others, nobody really wants to let you run the show. It is a results and word of mouth business. The only successful program he has been affillliated since leaving Buffalo, was the Saints, and he embarassed that franchise. The only jobs he has been able to get are with bad franchises, with coaches that are perpetually on "the hot seat". Edited October 23, 2020 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: After the stunt he pulled last week his coaching career in the NFL is likely over. It has been fifteen years but can you reflect on the Williams administration? What was his leadership style like? Why did ultimately fail? Why did he not get another permanent head coaching job? How do Buffalo fans perceive him? I recall him being an ultimate hard ass. Trying way to hard with faux machismo. but really it was 2003. oh man...Bledsos, Moulds, Reed, Brown, Spikes, Fletcher, Clements, McGee, Sam Adams... Fans weren’t walking to the OTB to place Super Bowl bets...they...were...running. and then week 1...31-0 pounding of Super Bowl Champ Patriots. They only won 5 more after that and in such Bills fashion lost 31-0 to New England in final game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre1236 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I still think Cleveland should have kept him as head coach. Certainly, he was better than that train wreck Kitchens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I spoke to Drew Bledsoe about this. Greg Williams is an #######. He just screamed and berated players. Terrible human being. Terrible leader. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I spoke to Drew Bledsoe about this. Greg Williams is an #######. He just screamed and berated players. Terrible human being. Terrible leader. He berated Drew Bledsoe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Seriously - how could he have failed... 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Maybe he's a military man with that sort of mindset? Hey,I know....what's long and hard, and full of seamen? Gregg. Gregg is "sub" human. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) Greggo Williams is one of the biggest %%%%%%% in the history of NFL coaching. All bluster and bully - ZERO in his background to back it up. As soon as anyone half as tough as Mr. Miagi shows up, he gets put in his place. Greggo never played ball himself, and never coached at a high level in college - the perfect background to be a loud mouth "tough guy" - who coaches his players to play dirty and injure their opponents. 13 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Maybe he's a military man with that sort of mindset? Hey,I know....what's long and hard, and full of seamen? Gregg. Gregg is "sub" human. Don't hate on the military - they are real men making real sacrifices. Greggo is a bogus POS. Edited October 23, 2020 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 He failed because he’s a giant D Bag. You have to relate to people to be an effective leader. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 He is a very good defensive coach. Almost always solid. 1. They also play dirty. 2. He is a total POS. Because of 1 and 2 he can’t be in charge because he loses the roster quickly. Also because of 1 and 2, he needs the right HC to control that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mango said: He is a very good defensive coach. Almost always solid. 1. They also play dirty. 2. He is a total POS. Because of 1 and 2 he can’t be in charge because he loses the roster quickly. Also because of 1 and 2, he needs the right HC to control that. Really? His defenses are nothing special to me. Lots of chaos and guys out of position. They bully bad offenses and young quarterbacks and that’s about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 He was a jerk and ruined our awesome 34 defense and got rid of the best NT in the game, Ted Washington. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share Posted October 23, 2020 Thanks for the feedback Billies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, mannc said: A better question would be, “Why did any team ever hire Gregg Williams as an NFL head coach?” Because he was so organized. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) He failed because he never found a franchise QB in Buffalo. If he had drafted Drew Brees like he said he wanted to in 2002, there's a chance they are both still here. Greggo was a great 90s head coach. A tough, no nonsense ####### to whip the bastards into shape. Hell, his bounty system would have won him COTY honors in the 90s. The game has changed. Players are more outspoken and that kind of coaching doesn't work anymore. Edited October 23, 2020 by LikeIGiveADarn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Greggggggggggg Williams is a flaming, puckered, hairy hemorrhoidal infrastructure. Remember the "We're going to have a defense like you've never seen in Buffalo". He was right, he took one of the top defenses in the NFL and dragged it all the way to the bottom in a single year. Not a leader of men in any way, shape, or form. As his career continued outside Buffalo, he was exposed as a dirty POS, advocating tactics to create injuries in opponents. This guy should have been run out the NFL ages ago. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Mango said: He is a very good defensive coach. Almost always solid. 1. They also play dirty. 2. He is a total POS. I think his reputation as a good DC is running on fumes at this point, and that reputation far surpasses his results. (I heartily agree though on points # 1 and #2.) I think he has maintained that reputation on the dirty play. He always has his guys head hunting, so they seem like a tough, hard-hitting defense. But they aren't disciplined, they're just dirty. Yes, he had 3 seasons where he had an elite defense. And he had 6 seasons overall with a top 10 defense, but that is out of 22 years of being a DC or HC. So, only 27% of his career did he have a top 10 defense. The rest of his career, outside of maybe 2019, his defenses have been middle of the pack or worse (or for 70% of his career). And he hasn't had a top 10 defense in almost a decade. As I said in another thread. He is way more trouble than he is worth. I don't know why teams keep hiring him. Year Team Title Yards Allowed Rank Points Allowed Rank 1997 TEN DC 22 12 1998 TEN DC 16 12 1999 TEN DC 17 15 2000 TEN DC 1 2 2001 BUF HC 21 29 2002 BUF HC 15 27 2003 BUF HC 2 5 2004 WAS DC 3 5 2005 WAS DC 9 9 2006 WAS DC 31 27 2007 WAS DC 8 11 2008 JAX DC 17 21 2009 NOR DC 25 20 2010 NOR DC 4 7 2011 NOR DC 24 13 2014 STL DC 17 16 2015 STL DC 23 13 2016 LAR DC 9 23 2017 CLE DC 14 31 2018 CLE HC/DC 30 21 2019 NYJ DC 7 16 2020 NYJ DC 20 29 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share Posted October 23, 2020 It sounds like he isn’t well liked by Bill fans. It’s surprising that he would publicly call out Gase and the offense knowing he was run out of a head coaching job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 The problem is he’s always so distracted by more important employment opportunities that overload his inbox!https://sports.yahoo.com/gregg-williams-said-four-teams-offered-coaching-job-didnt-interview-214819006.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Because he’s a douche. do I win? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 He’s the type of guy that if he was on a subway and next to him is a one legged pregnant woman, holding a baby in one arm and grocercy bags in the other....he wouldn’t move his laptop brief case so she can sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) Fake tough guy. Character-challenged. Lombardi-era leadership instincts don't relate well to today's player. Any other questions? Edited October 23, 2020 by BillnutinHouston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 The same reason most coordinators do. It's a completely different job requiring different skill sets. Not many have the skillset to be a CEO of a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, mannc said: A better question would be, “Why did any team ever hire Gregg Williams as an NFL head coach?” It was/is the "skunk stripe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said: It sounds like he isn’t well liked by Bill fans. It’s surprising that he would publicly call out Gase and the offense knowing he was run out of a head coaching job. He only cares about himself. Its really no surprise that your team is a 5 alarm tire fire it starts at the top 1 hour ago, folz said: I think his reputation as a good DC is running on fumes at this point, and that reputation far surpasses his results. (I heartily agree though on points # 1 and #2.) I think he has maintained that reputation on the dirty play. He always has his guys head hunting, so they seem like a tough, hard-hitting defense. But they aren't disciplined, they're just dirty. Yes, he had 3 seasons where he had an elite defense. And he had 6 seasons overall with a top 10 defense, but that is out of 22 years of being a DC or HC. So, only 27% of his career did he have a top 10 defense. The rest of his career, outside of maybe 2019, his defenses have been middle of the pack or worse (or for 70% of his career). And he hasn't had a top 10 defense in almost a decade. As I said in another thread. He is way more trouble than he is worth. I don't know why teams keep hiring him. Year Team Title Yards Allowed Rank Points Allowed Rank 1997 TEN DC 22 12 1998 TEN DC 16 12 1999 TEN DC 17 15 2000 TEN DC 1 2 2001 BUF HC 21 29 2002 BUF HC 15 27 2003 BUF HC 2 5 2004 WAS DC 3 5 2005 WAS DC 9 9 2006 WAS DC 31 27 2007 WAS DC 8 11 2008 JAX DC 17 21 2009 NOR DC 25 20 2010 NOR DC 4 7 2011 NOR DC 24 13 2014 STL DC 17 16 2015 STL DC 23 13 2016 LAR DC 9 23 2017 CLE DC 14 31 2018 CLE HC/DC 30 21 2019 NYJ DC 7 16 2020 NYJ DC 20 29 Nice pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) I remember Coach Chuck Dickerson used to call him “the mouse that roared” because at the time he was little skinny guy who yelled during practice and talked so tough . The odd thing about Gregggggg-o was that in 2002 the Bills had a pretty good offense led by Drew Bledsoe, Eric Moulds, Peerless Price, and big Travis Henry. The problem was...you guessed it.... defense. His defense was the team’s undoing in 2002. Edited October 23, 2020 by JohnNord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Not enough bull horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: He was a jerk and ruined our awesome 34 defense and got rid of the best NT in the game, Ted Washington. Wasn't it Pat Williams? Both? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Buftex said: What exactly was the "stunt" he pulled last week? Pointing fingers at the offense? As I remember he was a fairly abbrasive and grating personality. If a guy is going to have such a strong personality, he has to win, or he isn't going to last long as an NFL headcoach. Personally, I think he is a decent coordinator, but I think the reason he has never received another head coaching job is his ego has always seem to gotten him in hot water with the head coach of any stop he has made, since Buffalo. You don't work well with others, nobody really wants to let you run the show. It is a results and word of mouth business. The only successful program he has been affillliated since leaving Buffalo, was the Saints, and he embarassed that franchise. The only jobs he has been able to get are with bad franchises, with coaches that are perpetually on "the hot seat". I agree with nearly everything you wrote. The only thing I disagree with is that he is a decent coordinator. He's dirty. He coaches players to play dirty, whether there is a bounty involved, or not. I don't think he has any place in the NFL and I think it's disgraceful that he's employed in any capacity He's bad for the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 4 hours ago, BobChalmers said: Greggo Williams is one of the biggest %%%%%%% in the history of NFL coaching. All bluster and bully - ZERO in his background to back it up. As soon as anyone half as tough as Mr. Miagi shows up, he gets put in his place. Greggo never played ball himself, and never coached at a high level in college - the perfect background to be a loud mouth "tough guy" - who coaches his players to play dirty and injure their opponents. Don't hate on the military - they are real men making real sacrifices. Greggo is a bogus POS. never do I hate the military Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: After the stunt he pulled last week his coaching career in the NFL is likely over. It has been fifteen years but can you reflect on the Williams administration? What was his leadership style like? Why did ultimately fail? Why did he not get another permanent head coaching job? How do Buffalo fans perceive him? He hasn't even lost his Jets job, much less his career. He came in in Buffalo using air horns to wake guys up at training camp like they were misbehaving 12 year olds. But he learned, got better. Like many or most Bills coaches since Jim Kelly retired, Greggo's problem involved bad quarterbacking and also a bad OL. They drafted Mike Williams at LT to work on their OL woes and he turned out to be a wildly unmotivated guy, couldn't even get to meetings on time, much less practice hard. The D was kicking butt and taking names by the end of his time here but the offense was bad. They had Rob Johnson as his QB first year, followed by Bledsoe as his legs calcified and nobody else to speak of. The OL had Ruben Brown, Jonas Jennings, and two guys who just weren't good enough and Williams, so the left side was very good, but the right was poor. Good D which steadily improved, no O, and bad drafting, although the draft his first year was really good. But after that, nada. He was paired here with a poor GM, Donahoe. Edited October 23, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: He hasn't even lost his Jets job, much less his career. He came in in Buffalo using air horns to wake guys up at training camp like they were misbehaving 12 year olds. But he learned, got better. Like many or most Bills coaches since Jim Kelly retired, Greggo's problem involved bad quarterbacking and also a bad OL. They drafted Mike Williams at LT to work on their OL woes and he turned out to be a wildly unmotivated guy, couldn't even get to meetings on time, much less practice hard. The D was kicking butt and taking names by the end of his time here but the offense was bad. They had Rob Johnson as his QB first year, followed by Bledsoe as his legs calcified and nobody else to speak of. The OL had Ruben Brown, Jonas Jennings, and two guys who just weren't good enough and Williams, so the left side was very good, but the right was poor. Good D which steadily improved, no O, and bad drafting, although the draft his first year was really good. But after that, nada. He was paired here with a poor GM, Donahoe. I hate this argument. The talent may stink but is the coach doing anything to help the players he has? My exact issue with Gase from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 11 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: After the stunt he pulled last week his coaching career in the NFL is likely over. It has been fifteen years but can you reflect on the Williams administration? What was his leadership style like? Why did ultimately fail? Why did he not get another permanent head coaching job? How do Buffalo fans perceive him? Losing Pat Williams, I'll admit at the time I thought that Ron Edwards had some promise so letting Pat walk was a smart decision. In retrospect it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 He reminds me of the ***** coach in Varsity Blues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 He was a big phony. Ego and an uncomfortable amount of hubris, even as losses piled up. I bet if you asked him what went wrong in Buffalo today, there'd still be no self reflection from him on what he could have done better. He never gets head coaching opportunities because he never evolved as a person. Same ol Gregg. Rex Ryan is in this boat too, mind you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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