Hypothetically speaking....if the fumble did hold up.

[Royale with Cheese]

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

[CodeMonkey]

For most here, winning heals all.

[WhoTom]

I'd be happy that we pulled off a win in spite of a dismal performance.

 

[Beast]

I'd be happy with the win. Been around long enough to know it doesn't matter how, it just matters.

Remember the Broncos, Raiders and Jets three game stretch in 1990, all at home? The Bills probably should have went 0-3 and not 3-0.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Beast

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

A win-is-a-win-is-a-win......

 

Short of big blow outs, most games are decided by a few key plays and good teams capitalize. We have been fortunate over the years with some of our wins and lost games on dumb mistakes, too. I don't care how we win, as long as we win. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

Making big plays to win big games is fine in my book.

[Brennan Huff]

No

[Real McClappy]

Even if the call did hold and we scored a TD, would we actually stop the Chiefs from scoring? There was plenty of time still on the clock.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I would still like to hear Fraser's explanation for the horrid calls on 3rd and long, not just in this game but the whole season. I am so close to changing the channel when the Bills defense takes the field.

[bobobonators]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

its crazy how a game can turn. Im 100% confident if that fumble held up the Bills wouldve scored another TD to go ahead. However there still wouldbe been plenty of time for the Chiefs to have one last drive and they for sure wouldve scored at least a FG to win the game. But it wouldve looked better at least. 

[BillsFan130]

1. I still don't think they win the game if the fumble holds up as Chiefs probably would have got a game winning FG even if the bills scored. (I know it is a little irrelevant to your point)

 

2. Still deep concerns IMO. This team has a ton of holes that has been exposed two weeks in a row, granted against 2 very good teams.

[billsfanmiamioh]

8 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

Even if the call did hold and we scored a TD, would we actually stop the Chiefs from scoring? There was plenty of time still on the clock.

Yep, I think we would have scored and took the lead but KC would have answered right back.

[BillsFanSD]

22 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

I was unhappy with the state of the defense when we were 4-0, so . . .

[dorquemada]

 

I'll meet you halfway.  The Bills recover the ball, then run Singletary into the middle of the line for zero yards, then run Singletary right, oops got nailed in the backfield for 3 yard loss, 3rd down broken play Allen runs for 12, then 4th down Allen attempts a sneak but OL is immediately pushed 4 yards into backfield, turnover on downs.

 

And yes, i'd have deep concerns because right now this team looks like they would lose to an inspired elementary school flag football outfit

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

1. I still don't think they win the game if the fumble holds up as Chiefs probably would have got a game winning FG even if the bills scored. (I know it is a little irrelevant to your point)

 

2. Still deep concerns IMO. This team has a ton of holes that has been exposed two weeks in a row, granted against 2 very good teams.

 

I think there was about 5:40 left in the game if that fumble holds up.  I would hope the Bills would try to use as much clock as possible.  

This thread is basically if everything goes right...

[NoSaint]

29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

for a fan base buying into the process, results are the primary driver of the conversation here still. 

[Fred Slacks]

I might add that Norman dropped an easy INT in the 3rd quarter too.  Everything is hindsight.  I had no issues with the game plan on defense.  Only that our offense couldn't deliver.  Frustrating that it always seems to be one side of the ball functioning while the other struggles.  Hopefully. a Jets win cures that...for a little while at least.

[SCBills]

Defense, i'd feel a little better about.  Impact plays matter, ESPECIALLY this year.  

 

I'd still have concerns, but if Allen puts a 3rd TD on the board to take the lead (which I think he would've), that certainly makes his game much better.

[LABILLBACKER]

At least it's encouraging to see our defense ball hawking more recently. Our defense knows their undermanned. They will have to create turnovers in order to get off the field. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I would still like to hear Fraser's explanation for the horrid calls on 3rd and long, not just in this game but the whole season. I am so close to changing the channel when the Bills defense takes the field.

 

The worst Fraser play design was the 3 and 19 versus the Texans in the playoffs, there were no Bill defenders from the line of scrimmage with defenders apparently protecting the field 15 yards downfield, in others words give an offense start 15 of the 19 yards and assume you can stop him. Well of course that was a 20 yards play.

[Pokebball]

40 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

Any of our future opponents that don't run it up our throats, with an RPO sprinkled in here and there to their tight end hasn't been paying attention.

8 minutes ago, Fred Slacks said:

I might add that Norman dropped an easy INT in the 3rd quarter too.  Everything is hindsight.  I had no issues with the game plan on defense.  Only that our offense couldn't deliver.  Frustrating that it always seems to be one side of the ball functioning while the other struggles.  Hopefully. a Jets win cures that...for a little while at least.

You think the D functioned last night?

 

[Fred Slacks]

43 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Any of our future opponents that don't run it up our throats, with an RPO sprinkled in here and there to their tight end hasn't been paying attention.

You think the D functioned last night?

 

No. But they weren’t the only reason we lost. 
 

Offense struggled badly. 
 

our punter looked good though😂

[Pokebball]

3 minutes ago, Fred Slacks said:

No. But they weren’t the only reason we lost. 
 

Offense struggled badly. 
 

our punter looked good though😂

Yeah, I wasn't defending our offense.  I'm struggling with the posters that are defending our defense.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

No. Same thing w the kick before halftime, we would have been driving for the tying TD and PAT to win

 

that was how they approached this particular game

[All_Pro_Bills]

Hypothetically speaking the Bills score a go ahead TD but leave enough time on the clock for the Chiefs offense to shred a shoddy Bills defense and score the winning points as the game clock winds down.

 

Another scenario is what if Bass makes the end of 1st half FG which he missed by a mile and the Chiefs lead 26-20 when the Bills get the ball back late in Q4.  Being down just 6 does the game end differently than the floater from Allen which gets picked?  I note that Hauschka missed 3 end of 1st half FG attempts in games last year too.  All games the Bills lost and all games where those 3 points might have made a difference in the outcome.  So the pattern missing in the clutch half-ending situations continues.

Edited October 20, 2020 by All_Pro_Bills

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

a win is a win. I’d be happy for the moment then back to the grind to figure out what went wrong and how to fix it

[TheBrownBear]

It's so annoying seeing everyone fight the hypo...lol.  RWC clearly laid out the parameters by saying that we win the game!!!

 

Anyways, I think the pessimists on this board would still be ranting about the defense, conservative coaching and the run game sucking.  Optimists would say something like "the sign of an elite team is winning games they had no business winning".  I'd just be happy they found a way to squeak out a win against the SB champs.

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I think there was about 5:40 left in the game if that fumble holds up.  I would hope the Bills would try to use as much clock as possible.  

This thread is basically if everything goes right...

Ya I know, fair enough.

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

 

I think the Bills win the game if Bass makes the kick, Norman holds onto the INT and the fumble holds up. 

[mjt328]

To be honest, I'm not incredibly disappointed with us having a 2-game losing streak.

We always knew the Titans and Chiefs would be two of our toughest matchups.

 

I'm more disappointed in our overall play over the last 5 weeks, and not really being competitive in either matchup.

This team succeeded in upgrading its weakest link (the passing game)... but has somehow also managed to regress in literally everything else.  

 

When all things are factored into the equation, this team has not progressed in the last 12 months.  They are still going to beat the bad teams.  They will almost certainly get some victories against the other "Wild Card Level" teams.  And thanks to a very weak AFC East, I could still see us winning 9-10 games and capturing the division title.  But as it stands, this team has absolutely no chance at beating the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers or Titans in the playoffs.  Which is exactly the place we were in 2019.

 

[Livinginthepast]

1 hour ago, Real McNasty said:

Even if the call did hold and we scored a TD, would we actually stop the Chiefs from scoring? There was plenty of time still on the clock.

Thats probably what would have ensued. KC gets the ball back down by one and just drives down to kick a winning FG with no time left as our choke defense collapses.

[Success]

It would have been a vindication of McD's strategy.

 

I was kind of upset about it when I heard the presser afterwards. I was thinking, we should just play straight up defense - we shouldn't have respected them that much.

 

But the strategy DID keep the score down.  And all we needed was one break or stop - the fumble, or Poyer not making that mistake.  It would have been a classic bend/don't break kind of strategy - keep the game close & steal it at the end.

 

 

[nucci]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

if we would have won then different things would have happened. The defense wouldn't have been getting gashed all night. They would have had to play better to win

[JerseyBills]

Id be Very happy with the W.

Would still be very concerned about the defense n our running game 

[RobbRiddick]

If that had happened people would be overjoyed. Same way they would have been calling the team and coaches garbage if there was no flag against the Rams

[JerseyBills]

3 plays on O that nobody is talking about. 

The John Brown drop on 3rd down of 1st drive.  That ball was perfect and woulda moved the chains, maybe we score and get momentum. 

 

The 3rd n 1 and eventual 4th n 1 , which was a false start. If we convert there, same thing , chains move, we possibly score n I feel it would have been a huge momentum changer 

[BuffaloButt]

2 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

Even if the call did hold and we scored a TD, would we actually stop the Chiefs from scoring? There was plenty of time still on the clock.

Yep, we would have still lost 24-26.

[Fred Slacks]

1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

Yeah, I wasn't defending our offense.  I'm struggling with the posters that are defending our defense.

All I was stating is that even as bad as we were playing the defense still had missed opportunities to change this game in our favor. I believe the same with the offense. Some things don’t show up on the stat sheet like the PI calls. Those were positive plays. its never as bad as immediately after the game. I always like to watch the game a second time through after I cool off. 
 

I do think we should have gone for 2 points after the Beasley TD because KC scoring again was inevitable. Meh onto Jets for a convincing win. 

[ngbills]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So lets say the fumble was a fumble and we get it.  Drive down and win the game.  Again, thinking hypothetically and I know it didn't happen.

 

Would you still feel happy about the win or would you still have deep concerns about our defense getting gashed all night?  Plus, with the inconsistencies on offense two weeks in a row.

Would the win feel flukish to you?

 

 

 

Always take the win. But of course you have to be concerned with a run D that was utterly destroyed. 

[CircleTheWagons99]

3 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I would still like to hear Fraser's explanation for the horrid calls on 3rd and long, not just in this game but the whole season. I am so close to changing the channel when the Bills defense takes the field.

“3rd and 10. DB should be 15 yards back.”